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What's your thoughts on asylum seekers?

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Lynds778 · 28/01/2025 09:09

I'm all for offering asylum to those genuinely in need but I've seen a lot of negative media recently around 'fake' asylum seekers; people pretending to be from war-torn countries etc to gain entry to the country. Also videos of men giving advice for future asylum seekers on where to say you're from so that you can get in.

Also seen a lot of uproar from local communities about asylum seekers behaving anti-socially, most recently hanging around outside a primary school in Deanshanger and it's got me worried.
I'm also wondering why the large majority of asylum seekers are men and there are less women and children?

So, what's your opinion?

Also, this isn't a racist post. I would have the exact same concerns if these were white asylum seekers from Germany for example. The worry is the system is being abused by some and that we are a bit too lax when it comes to documentation and monitoring of asylum seekers.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14058597/Fake-asylum-seekers-conning-way-Britain-telling-Home-Office-war-torn-Eritrea-bragging-thousands-followers-TikTok.html

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14185169/amp/Four-asylum-seekers-costing-taxpayer-estimated-160-000-year-living-575-000-luxury-home-accused-faking-Afghan-nationalities-UK.html

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BIossomtoes · 12/06/2025 09:50

GrouachMacbeth · 11/06/2025 13:54

I'm sure it was here that I read that in the UK 80% of asylum claims were approved, in France it was 60%. Both the UK and France are very similar - signatories to UN guidelines, both liberal democracies, both have been involved in Afghanistan, Iraq etc. The difference is strange. The procedure for saying yes or no is down to civil service instructions.

An application for asylum here can only be made in the country. We do not have "asylum allocation centres" in other countries. If we did then the incentive to make a difficult and dangerous cross channel journey would be removed.

The media, BBC, itv and sky as well as GB news and daily mail regularly show large numbers of single black skinned young men running off their newly benched boat on the south coast. We are told that the numbers of legal immigrants way exceeds the number of asylum seekers. We do not see the legal immigrants coming in. We do not see them applying or paying to get visas. What the eye sees.....

If you do not like right wing views or supporters it will be a great wind up to say "refugees welcome" and be as provocative as you can be.

We haven’t seen the 20,000 whose applications have failed returning to their countries of origin either. Yet leave they have.

Illjusthavethebreadsticks · 12/06/2025 09:41

The worry is that with Rachel Reeves yesterday advising migrants will no longer be housed in hotels but private rentals. Rentals are hard to find at the best of times this will make matters worse.

GrouachMacbeth · 11/06/2025 13:54

I'm sure it was here that I read that in the UK 80% of asylum claims were approved, in France it was 60%. Both the UK and France are very similar - signatories to UN guidelines, both liberal democracies, both have been involved in Afghanistan, Iraq etc. The difference is strange. The procedure for saying yes or no is down to civil service instructions.

An application for asylum here can only be made in the country. We do not have "asylum allocation centres" in other countries. If we did then the incentive to make a difficult and dangerous cross channel journey would be removed.

The media, BBC, itv and sky as well as GB news and daily mail regularly show large numbers of single black skinned young men running off their newly benched boat on the south coast. We are told that the numbers of legal immigrants way exceeds the number of asylum seekers. We do not see the legal immigrants coming in. We do not see them applying or paying to get visas. What the eye sees.....

If you do not like right wing views or supporters it will be a great wind up to say "refugees welcome" and be as provocative as you can be.

MumbleBumbleAppleCrumble · 11/06/2025 13:44

That it’s an incredibly complicated, involved and complex issue that is only going to get worse with climate change and wars.

But also that the Daily Mail and Telegraph are not the best place to be seeking out you facts…

username299 · 11/06/2025 13:43

ilovesooty · 11/06/2025 13:39

I'm wondering why this old thread has been resurrected today...

And I've reported all sorts of racist posts to Facebook, and not one of them has been removed.

They stopped removing posts a while back now. Racism, antisemitism, misogyny and all the rest is 'free speech.'

ilovesooty · 11/06/2025 13:39

I'm wondering why this old thread has been resurrected today...

And I've reported all sorts of racist posts to Facebook, and not one of them has been removed.

NeedToChangeName · 11/06/2025 13:30

Differentstarts · 28/01/2025 10:02

Please correct me if I'm wrong but aren't they supposed to go the nearest safest country which would never be England so the only reason they come here is they know how soft we are housing, benefits the nhs. Which would be fine but where full

Some politicians like to tell us that people come to UK cos it's so amazingly generous

I believe the real reason people come to UK is because some of them have English as a second language, so they believe it may be easier to rebuild their lives here

Goldenbear · 11/06/2025 13:29

Daisychainsforme · 02/02/2025 16:42

@GoldFishPocketWatch If those fleeing millionaires had such benevolent feelings about how they'd use their wealth to benefit the country why are they running away re: non Dom status?

I've no idea.
Maybe they are fed up with shouldering most of the tax burden?

Why not ask your MP to raise a question in parliament?

Oh yes, pity the tax paying, "top one percent" who have more wealth than the bottom 70% of the UK!

username299 · 11/06/2025 13:21

Papyrophile · 11/06/2025 13:07

It was a response to an earlier post asking why the wealthy Arab states don't take asylum seekers and refugees, not an opinion on migrant workers.

Many of my close friends and family have been migrant workers in Gulf States going back more than 25 years. The labourers, gardeners and nannies from Asia are actually quite keen to work there, and their families find the money to make it happen. A decade in the Gulf can alter a lot of lives, compared to the wages paid locally.

It's quite the utopia. If you ignore the fact that women have very few rights and domestic workers are regularly abused with no recourse. As for asylum seekers, why would they seek asylum with similar circumstances to what they're fleeing?

Papyrophile · 11/06/2025 13:07

It was a response to an earlier post asking why the wealthy Arab states don't take asylum seekers and refugees, not an opinion on migrant workers.

Many of my close friends and family have been migrant workers in Gulf States going back more than 25 years. The labourers, gardeners and nannies from Asia are actually quite keen to work there, and their families find the money to make it happen. A decade in the Gulf can alter a lot of lives, compared to the wages paid locally.

Locutus2000 · 11/06/2025 13:03

SpryCat · 11/06/2025 07:52

Where I live, we have a lovely park where children love to play on, dog walkers go and people cut through to go to the nearby hospital. A group of non speaking english, men are camping out in the trees and shrubbery. A few times if a woman is alone, walking, has been accosted, following them and the women have had to run to escape. There are wild animals that are being found, attacked and killed for food, you can’t warn anyone on FB groups as the posts are being rejected as racist. Imagine if anything happened to a child and the parents found out, they could have been pre warned and told their child not to play there.

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Yeah, I'd be talking to the police about all those crimes, not resurrecting a four month old post.

TempestTost · 11/06/2025 13:01

I think it's not at all surprising and to be expected that there would be fake asylum seekers.

For the same reasons that there are fake VISA people calling you, and fake ads on FB, and fake articles telling you to sign up for more government info, and fake dating profiles. It's human nature.

And compared to the past, people are much more connected, more people see the possibility of moving somewhere better, they can figure out how to get there, they can read the rules, connect with professional scammers or other people who have done the same thing.

It may be that just as we are increasingly needing to have systems and protections to protect us from personal scams, systems like the asylum system need to have better, quicker ways to deal with claims that are either fraudulent, or just not valid under the law.

Midnightlove · 11/06/2025 12:56

SpryCat · 11/06/2025 07:52

Where I live, we have a lovely park where children love to play on, dog walkers go and people cut through to go to the nearby hospital. A group of non speaking english, men are camping out in the trees and shrubbery. A few times if a woman is alone, walking, has been accosted, following them and the women have had to run to escape. There are wild animals that are being found, attacked and killed for food, you can’t warn anyone on FB groups as the posts are being rejected as racist. Imagine if anything happened to a child and the parents found out, they could have been pre warned and told their child not to play there.

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There are a group the same in a town near me, camping in the woods. Luckily it's a town I don't frequent often!

And no the police do nothing!

whatthesigma · 11/06/2025 12:55

I work with asylum seekers. They are kind, generous and grateful. They have nothing but are always offering food and drink as I visit or as I leave. Some of their stories about how they have arrived in the UK are horrifying. Some peoples attitudes are disgraceful.

username299 · 11/06/2025 12:55

Papyrophile · 11/06/2025 12:50

Exacrly @username299 . Unless you are native, any rights you have in most of the ME are tied totally to your employment. Lose your job, you leave the country pronto. Doesn't matter what colour your skin is, or your religion; there is no unemployment benefit, no universal credit and not much free health care. There's also no income tax.

I don't understand your point. The ME is not known for rights and migrant workers have very few. I don't understand why this is being held up as a bastion of how to treat people.

Papyrophile · 11/06/2025 12:50

Exacrly @username299 . Unless you are native, any rights you have in most of the ME are tied totally to your employment. Lose your job, you leave the country pronto. Doesn't matter what colour your skin is, or your religion; there is no unemployment benefit, no universal credit and not much free health care. There's also no income tax.

username299 · 11/06/2025 09:29

SpryCat · 11/06/2025 07:52

Where I live, we have a lovely park where children love to play on, dog walkers go and people cut through to go to the nearby hospital. A group of non speaking english, men are camping out in the trees and shrubbery. A few times if a woman is alone, walking, has been accosted, following them and the women have had to run to escape. There are wild animals that are being found, attacked and killed for food, you can’t warn anyone on FB groups as the posts are being rejected as racist. Imagine if anything happened to a child and the parents found out, they could have been pre warned and told their child not to play there.

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And the police have done nothing even though there's a trail of corpses and where they are is well known to residents?

username299 · 11/06/2025 09:28

Papyrophile · 10/02/2025 20:20

Because they don't wish to destabilise their carefully selected contributing useful migrant workers with a shedload of grudge-bearing people who support the Muslim Brotherhood/Hamas or Hezbollah.

It may be an unpopular opinion, but the Gulf Arab states are and can afford to be sniffy about the educational qualifications and political preferences of anyone moving there. You need a job, with a sponsor, and a work permit. And if you lose any of them, you have no right to remain.

It's well known that those countries use slave labour, deny them rights and treat them appallingly. They're hardly carefully selected.

SpryCat · 11/06/2025 07:52

Where I live, we have a lovely park where children love to play on, dog walkers go and people cut through to go to the nearby hospital. A group of non speaking english, men are camping out in the trees and shrubbery. A few times if a woman is alone, walking, has been accosted, following them and the women have had to run to escape. There are wild animals that are being found, attacked and killed for food, you can’t warn anyone on FB groups as the posts are being rejected as racist. Imagine if anything happened to a child and the parents found out, they could have been pre warned and told their child not to play there.

Papyrophile · 10/02/2025 20:20

UmbrellaEllaEllaElla · 28/01/2025 09:17

I just don't understand why other wealthy countries like Dubai, Saudi Arabia etc dont take more in.

Because they don't wish to destabilise their carefully selected contributing useful migrant workers with a shedload of grudge-bearing people who support the Muslim Brotherhood/Hamas or Hezbollah.

It may be an unpopular opinion, but the Gulf Arab states are and can afford to be sniffy about the educational qualifications and political preferences of anyone moving there. You need a job, with a sponsor, and a work permit. And if you lose any of them, you have no right to remain.

Mimilamore · 03/02/2025 17:55

It's the bloody system at fault. Needs a rapid overhaul so genuine asylum seekers get the shelter and support they need and the chancers are weeded out...
In my experience ( education) the AS were very grateful for all that was offered, valued education and were polite and respectful...... which is more than I can say for SOME of the entitled, ill mannered and ignorant indigenous parents.

Daisychainsforme · 02/02/2025 19:04

username299 · 02/02/2025 16:39

Where to?

Uzbikistan - plenty of room there !

squidgie · 02/02/2025 17:53

Daisychainsforme · 02/02/2025 15:50

@squidgie Rather than looking at what's really happening - the rich are growing richer and public services can't compete. The rich own politics and the media. Elon Musk is a shining example and look how hard he is pushing the hatred of immigrants. It's easy to rile up hatred and division so that everyone blames each other for taking the things they need, rather than looking to the super rich who are endlessly building and hoarding resources and wealth for themselves.

The UK tax system is already top heavy. The top one per cent pay 30 per cent of all income tax revenues: a higher share than at any time in past twenty years. In other words, three in every ten pounds that the government receives in income tax is paid by just over 300,000 individuals. Not surprisingly, this statistic is often quoted by those who argue that the rich cannot be asked to pay more.

Record numbers of millionaires have fled Britain since Labour came to power due to high taxes and the impending end of non-dom status.

While the UK's tax take may be on the rise, there are plenty of locations looking to attract wealthy individuals with so-called golden visas in return for investment in government projects as well as businesses or residential developments.
One of the most popular locations is the United Arab Emirates (UAE).

The UK tax system is already top heavy.

It really, really isn't. Many countries, including mine, have a far more progressive tax systems where the highest earners pay way more than 30% tax.

GoldFishPocketWatch · 02/02/2025 16:56

Daisychainsforme · 02/02/2025 16:42

@GoldFishPocketWatch If those fleeing millionaires had such benevolent feelings about how they'd use their wealth to benefit the country why are they running away re: non Dom status?

I've no idea.
Maybe they are fed up with shouldering most of the tax burden?

Why not ask your MP to raise a question in parliament?

I'd rather (and in fact, do) lobby for things that are more important to me than the feelings of tax avoidant multimillionaires

NancyKnickers · 02/02/2025 16:49

I don't see how taking them in (especially young adult men) benefits us as a nation.