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To think this was really spiteful

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Stopbeingsomean · 27/01/2025 22:30

I work as a TA in a primary school and something happened today that made me really sad.

I was working with a group of ten children, split between three adults. We were working on subtraction with this particular group who really struggle with maths.

I heard the other TA tell a child she had done very well. The little girl was really proud of herself and had a huge smile on her face and asked “Am I going to get a sticker Miss?” The TA looked very sternly at her and said “Katie, stickers are given out at my discretion. I decide when to give them. I was actually going to give you one, but as you have asked, unfortunately I am not going to give you one now” Honestly she looked devastated. She’s 7 years old.

AIBU to think this was really spiteful?

YABU - She should not have asked.

YANBU - She deserved a sticker

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notnorman · 29/01/2025 23:58

Many long standing teachers have left now- and universities are having to take pgce students who would not have been given a place a few years ago.

Stopbeingsomean · 29/01/2025 23:30

gingerlybread · 29/01/2025 22:46

@Stopbeingsomean you come across as someone who is not happy with other TAs or teachers, so perhaps that's what I mean by Peter Perfect. @JSMill Scottish teachers actually can't get on the PG course unless they have Maths and English qualifications at Higher, or Nat 5 if they have enough additional qualifications.
Teaching is a profession, it has specific skills and knowledge and requires a huge investment in ITE. That's a 4 year honours degree here or 4 years and a postgrad, with a year's probation. No TA or classroom assistant can match that and your snotty gripes about grammar show how little you understand about learning. It's possible to become a professor with dyslexia.
The TA you are referring to has probably been employed to fill a gap, cheaply. Anyone working with children should be supervised and monitored to ensure they don't act in petty ways over silly things like stickers. To be honest it says so much more about the school and the management if they are happy to abandon children to this kind of outdated attitude- there should be a consistent behaviour policy which is monitored and you should all be working as a team to make sure this happens.
It's not the" fault" of any one person in a school - the whole team needs to work together.

@gingerlybread
i think you have misinterpreted my post. I work with some lovely people actually and we all get on well the majority of the time. Of course I’m not happy about the TA in question. No child should be made to feel rubbish.

They weren’t ’snotty gripes’ about grammar at all. I was merely pointing out that when you said TA’s should always be supervised by teachers, that actually teachers are not always a fountain of knowledge themselves.

Quite rude to say I don’t understand about learning. Yes, teachers can have dyslexia of course. However, are you telling me that it’s ok for a class of 30 children to have a 45 min lesson on how to place an apostrophe between did’nt, had’nt etc? To write this in their books and complete a worksheet with all the words ending in ‘s’ given an apostrophe too. I’m still with this class from last year. Many are still using this same wrong method. Telling the children that 1,000,000 is one trillion and elephant’s trunks are made of ivory. Come on OP! You must know that is far from ok! I mean seriously! How is this me being snotty?

As for saying no TA can match the qualifications of a teacher, there are four TA’s with degrees in my team. I have four A levels myself. No one can know everything, but standing teaching wrong information to children is not ok.

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gingerlybread · 29/01/2025 22:46

@Stopbeingsomean you come across as someone who is not happy with other TAs or teachers, so perhaps that's what I mean by Peter Perfect. @JSMill Scottish teachers actually can't get on the PG course unless they have Maths and English qualifications at Higher, or Nat 5 if they have enough additional qualifications.
Teaching is a profession, it has specific skills and knowledge and requires a huge investment in ITE. That's a 4 year honours degree here or 4 years and a postgrad, with a year's probation. No TA or classroom assistant can match that and your snotty gripes about grammar show how little you understand about learning. It's possible to become a professor with dyslexia.
The TA you are referring to has probably been employed to fill a gap, cheaply. Anyone working with children should be supervised and monitored to ensure they don't act in petty ways over silly things like stickers. To be honest it says so much more about the school and the management if they are happy to abandon children to this kind of outdated attitude- there should be a consistent behaviour policy which is monitored and you should all be working as a team to make sure this happens.
It's not the" fault" of any one person in a school - the whole team needs to work together.

Busywithsomething · 29/01/2025 22:33

Jeez. What an arse of a person that TA must be

Stopbeingsomean · 29/01/2025 22:32

LyndaSnellsSniff · 29/01/2025 21:40

@Stopbeingsomean the TA's name doesn't start with A does it? This sounds awfully like a TA I happen to work with!

No it’s an S.

I think maybe some TA’s do go power crazy and think they’re teachers. I’m not one! I know some TA’s call themselves teachers. If we go out with school on a trip and I get called ‘teacher’ I always correct them and say I’m a TA.

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saraclara · 29/01/2025 22:26

Also @JSMill you say:
People look down their noses at TAs but often they are highly educated people who can only afford to do the job because of their dh's income (I live in an affluent area of the south east)

The bit in brackets is extremely significant. In most of the country, TAs aren't often highly educated, though a few might be. In most areas, TAs are mums from the school's local area, looking for term time work, or those with few qualifications to get a better paid job.

I valued my TAs hugely. I worked in special ed, so usually had a team of three or four in my class, and I couldn't have managed without them. Few were well educated, because my school was in a deprived area, but that wasn't the priority for us. One of my favourite TAs had major literacy issues, but she also had fantastic empathy for the children and eyes in the back of her head. My teams and I always worked really harmoniously, and now that I'm retired, it's my TA colleagues that I keep in touch with, not my fellow teachers.

But even those lovely people didn't really know what was behind how we filled our day. The planning, the assessment, the training that was behind the information and the instructions that I gave to them. And that would be the same in a mainstream school really.

I too was sometimes shocked at the literacy level of some of my younger teaching colleagues. But a lot of TAs who thought they could teach better than the teacher, would founder after a few weeks, simply because of the level of planning and assessment and resourcing that they don't have the training and experience in.

saraclara · 29/01/2025 22:12

JSMill · 29/01/2025 21:26

I know what you mean. It doesn't take much to pass English and Maths at GCSE level. People look down their noses at TAs but often they are highly educated people who can only afford to do the job because of their dh's income (I live in an affluent area of the south east). I have a first class degree in history and a masters degree. It winds me up how often I have seen teachers get things wrong and they get the last word because they are the qualified teacher. Then again, I am the one too chicken to go for a PGCE!!

Teachers need English and Maths good passes at GCSE. OP was expressing surprise that primary teachers don't have those subjects at A level!

Agapornis · 29/01/2025 21:56

Re "I work with a fantastic teacher this year and we have a great relationship.", have you discussed this problem TA with the teacher? She'll probably have more sway with management than you do.

Stopbeingsomean · 29/01/2025 21:53

JSMill · 29/01/2025 21:26

I know what you mean. It doesn't take much to pass English and Maths at GCSE level. People look down their noses at TAs but often they are highly educated people who can only afford to do the job because of their dh's income (I live in an affluent area of the south east). I have a first class degree in history and a masters degree. It winds me up how often I have seen teachers get things wrong and they get the last word because they are the qualified teacher. Then again, I am the one too chicken to go for a PGCE!!

If you fancy it then go for it but it’s a thankless job. I’m going to look at alternative education provision. They are paying £45 an hour.

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JustFeedMeCake · 29/01/2025 21:49

I would report that to the head. It is incredibly spiteful. It takes me back to a TA when DC were at school. She was an awful bully. It was reported. She disappeared so I think it was a bigger issue than we all even knew.

Mamabear300 · 29/01/2025 21:47

Ok, so this really upset me on so many levels it's unreal (I'll try not ramble on) to cut a couple of long stories short I still remember the first primary school I went to and my dad coming for parents evening aged 5 and being told by the reception teacher that I would 'never amount to anything' well I proved her wrong but these words along with constantly being targeted by this teacher and others did have a lasting effect on me growing up and at times still does to this day, this was in the 90's and the fave one for me for getting a question wrong was to stick a cone shaped paper hat on my head with a D on it and being made to stand facing the corner of the wall, it was soul destroying.. I wasnt naughty or outspoken infact I was quite the opposite!

My next point is I was training to be a TA myself (years ago) and I was on a college placement at a primary school, there was a child who was being assessed for various needs and she struggled with her learning, I remember walking into the storage cupboard to gather some supplies for my group activity with the kids and walked in on the poor girls class teacher taking the absolute piss out of this child to another teacher and they found it hilarious, I was mortified, I said nothing to the teacher, went and reported it to the head and never went back to that school as I didn't want to be in such a toxic environment!

Im also mum of two SEND kids who have all these small groups /interventions , my youngest daughters school is amazing and go above and beyond for her. my eldests (13) school is a total different story it feels that as shes not bringing much to the school results being boosted then she can sail down the river.

Op I really think you should be taking this higher if no one in the school is listening or cares. This as others have said could impact a childs life through to adult years.
I worked in supported living and me and a colleague had no choice but to whistle blow to outside agencies after getting no where in the company, did we get shit off the management, course we did! but we didn't care because we knew we had done right by the vulnerable people we were there to protect and I'd do the same all over again.

Shes treating these kids like absolute shit like their worth nothing and as for the one putting her feet on the kids!!! just wow!!! Did you report this too? Please don't let these women ruin these kids. You sound like you care very much about these kids so you need to take urgent action, not solely about the sticker incident its the bigger picture of attitudes and behaviours that are majorly concerning. Sorry for the long post I tired to make it as short as possible!!

JMSA · 29/01/2025 21:41

Somebody's on a pathetic little power trip! Sad

LyndaSnellsSniff · 29/01/2025 21:40

@Stopbeingsomean the TA's name doesn't start with A does it? This sounds awfully like a TA I happen to work with!

JSMill · 29/01/2025 21:26

I know what you mean. It doesn't take much to pass English and Maths at GCSE level. People look down their noses at TAs but often they are highly educated people who can only afford to do the job because of their dh's income (I live in an affluent area of the south east). I have a first class degree in history and a masters degree. It winds me up how often I have seen teachers get things wrong and they get the last word because they are the qualified teacher. Then again, I am the one too chicken to go for a PGCE!!

Stopbeingsomean · 29/01/2025 21:20

JSMill · 29/01/2025 20:48

You need passes in maths and English at GCSE level. I know where you are coming from. I have worked with some teachers with quite shocking levels of not just English but general knowledge. You would think education attracts people with a thirst for learning and knowledge and then you encounter teachers who have an astonishing lack of knowledge about the world. A lot of them just read off scripts from lesson plans they have downloaded from the internet without knowing anything about the actual subject.

Yes but you can get quite a low grade and it’s still classed as a pass. How can that be enough to teach though.

When I mentioned the lack of knowledge of last year’s teacher upthread, I was accused of sniping and coming across as a ‘perfect Peter’ It’s none of those things! However it does annoy me sometimes when it’s just assumed that the TA’s are dim and can only function under the supervision of a teacher. Admittedly a lot of TA’s might be unqualified, but not all.

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JSMill · 29/01/2025 20:48

You need passes in maths and English at GCSE level. I know where you are coming from. I have worked with some teachers with quite shocking levels of not just English but general knowledge. You would think education attracts people with a thirst for learning and knowledge and then you encounter teachers who have an astonishing lack of knowledge about the world. A lot of them just read off scripts from lesson plans they have downloaded from the internet without knowing anything about the actual subject.

Stopbeingsomean · 29/01/2025 20:44

Lefthanddownnumberone · 29/01/2025 20:33

This

I did previously! Trust me when I say, no one cares. They need her and better have someone bad than no one. She’s a body in school.

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Stopbeingsomean · 29/01/2025 20:40

JSMill · 29/01/2025 20:32

What are you talking about? Teachers in England need to show proficiency in English and Maths when applying for a PGCE or B.Ed and have a two year ECT period.

I’m not sure what they need tbh. I must admit I was very shocked at the poor literacy skills of the NQT I was with last year. I was surprised to learn that you don’t need A levels in maths or English. What grades do you actually need?

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Lefthanddownnumberone · 29/01/2025 20:33

Alalalala · 27/01/2025 22:38

That’s unpleasant. Have a chat with the head or deputy head or whoever is appropriate/available. She needs feedback that it’s not ok - spiteful little power trips undermining small kids.

This

JSMill · 29/01/2025 20:32

gingerlybread · 29/01/2025 00:49

@Stopbeingsomean TAs "knowing" as much as teachers has absolutely no bearing here. Teachers have a standard qualification and are used to feedback. They are in a profession. A TA can literally walk in off the street with no experience. TAs need to be supervised and directed by qualified teachers otherwise- they would be teachers and be paid accordingly.
We don't have this bullshit in Scotland where all teachers need maths, English and undergo a rigorous probation period. We have assistants but they are not expected to do anything that teachers haven't planned and organised.
As for grammar and punctuation there are many dyslexic teachers and assistants- as long as they are aware and use spellchecker etc it's not a problem.
I do think you sound a bit Peter Perfect OP, perhaps work together with your team rather than constantly sniping.

What are you talking about? Teachers in England need to show proficiency in English and Maths when applying for a PGCE or B.Ed and have a two year ECT period.

Hotflushesandchilblains · 29/01/2025 20:27

That is horrible! The correct response would be something along the lines of 'you are! but we usually dont ask for them, but wait to see if we get one given, so try to remember that in future. Now, lets get you that sticker!'

Stopbeingsomean · 29/01/2025 20:20

Weepixie · 29/01/2025 19:51

@Stopbeingsomean hi, go back and read what she said. It was so long winded I’m actually surprised you managed to remember all of it let alone a child understand all of it.

Sorry! Long day and not thinking!
Yes she does tbf. She wasn’t nice again today and I honestly don’t know what to do. She gets very close to her and talks very quietly thinking I can’t hear her. Today she was saying ‘Sit up! What have you just been told in assembly? Now pay attention!’ Seriously the child did nothing wrong. The issue is absolutely no one cares beco reported it previously.

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Gagaandgag · 29/01/2025 20:07

Another TA with a power complex

Shubbypubby · 29/01/2025 20:03

Omg just give the poor kid a fucking sticker. That's awful, the poor little mite.

Weepixie · 29/01/2025 19:51

@Stopbeingsomean hi, go back and read what she said. It was so long winded I’m actually surprised you managed to remember all of it let alone a child understand all of it.