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To think this was really spiteful

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Stopbeingsomean · 27/01/2025 22:30

I work as a TA in a primary school and something happened today that made me really sad.

I was working with a group of ten children, split between three adults. We were working on subtraction with this particular group who really struggle with maths.

I heard the other TA tell a child she had done very well. The little girl was really proud of herself and had a huge smile on her face and asked “Am I going to get a sticker Miss?” The TA looked very sternly at her and said “Katie, stickers are given out at my discretion. I decide when to give them. I was actually going to give you one, but as you have asked, unfortunately I am not going to give you one now” Honestly she looked devastated. She’s 7 years old.

AIBU to think this was really spiteful?

YABU - She should not have asked.

YANBU - She deserved a sticker

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Jenkib · 01/02/2025 08:56

Purpleturtle46 · 01/02/2025 07:59

I'm a teacher of that age group, I wouldn't have handled it that way but I would have reminded her that she shouldn't ask for it.

Children are increasingly entitled these days. Just in the last 2 weeks we have had a couple of mums into talk to the class about their career/religion and both times several children have asked if they could have one of the things she brought into show them.

Even after discussing why that was rude with them after the first visit a few still asked the second mum 🙄.

THIS !

Ex teacher here - kids would ask for housepints just for doing something asked of them (nothing extraordinary)

Extrinsic /intrinsic motivation is a tricky one !

Lighterlilly · 01/02/2025 08:55

Op, some people on here don’t treat kids right. I’ve seen it across a few threads sadly, urging punishments, hurling abuse, calling little kids names. So it’s no surprise you’ve some attacking you and pleased to see this little girl getting treated badly.

remember that’s about them and not you. Please keep supporting these children.

Simplynotsimple · 01/02/2025 08:54

Hwi · 01/02/2025 07:30

This little girl was cheeky and rude. You don't ask for things like that - I don't ever recall, ever, anyone in my class asking a teacher if they will get a high mark (equivalent of a sticker, I suppose). This is how entitlement is bred and nurtured. Well done to the teacher.

You are popping up on a lot of threads being rude and contradictory. Just a friendly FYI in case you start getting emails from HQ to mind your tone.

As for the situation, it was mean. I agree with others who say the child should be reminded that it’s not ok to ask. I will be the person who says there are many more SEN kids in mainstream there’s days (they are usually the ones who need TA’s as one to one so not irrelevant), and social cues, jumping to asking for something, not being able to wait for an immediate reward for good behaviour is very typical. Denying a reward for concentration/completing work/getting everything right and being so arsy about it can have longterm negative effects on behaviour, all over asking for a sticker. My son used to come home covered head to toe in them, he had a fantastic year due to the TA understanding how stickers were a huge motivation for him. Everyone benefited because behaviour wasnt impacted. But then, he goes to a great school that understands individual needs.

Emonade · 01/02/2025 08:44

You need to report her to class teacher or member of SLT, totally inappropriate and damaging for the child. Safeguarding issue. I am a teacher and would do the same if this was one of my members of staff,

EdithBond · 01/02/2025 08:40

YANBU

@Stopbeingsomean you sound like a wonderful, observant, empathetic educator and I really hope you stay in the profession and become a leader.

Children thrive when they’re praised, feel cared about and emotionally safe.

The TA is being unnecessarily harsh and overbearing if the child is usually well behaved and tries hard. She sounds like she thinks working with kids is about asserting power over them.

If she’s newly qualified, I’d first speak directly to this TA about your observations. Do so kindly and humbly, e.g. ‘I hope you don’t mind if I pass on some experience, but I notice you’re quite stern with the children and I see it affecting their confidence. Were you taught that in your training?’. She should be keen to improve, if new.

If she reacts badly or carries on, I’d put your concerns in writing to her line manager. If you notice people aren’t using best practice when working with children, it should be recorded. Her unnecessarily harsh behaviour could really devastate a child. I’d cite your requirements from your JDs, performance objectives etc.

The hole in shoes comment, in particular, should have been engaged with. That could have been the child trying to tell her things are difficult at home, i.e. her family can’t afford shoes or her parents are neglectful.

Teachers using their feet to move children is unacceptable. The yardstick of how you treat a child is ‘would I do this to an adult’ and if anyone used their feet to move me along, I’d be horrified. If you got that defensive reaction when you flagged it, rather than thanked and encouraged for mentioning it, sounds like you may need to move school.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 01/02/2025 08:38

Horrible. The TA sounds a bit power-crazed. I’d think she’s in the wrong job - maybe a traffic warden would suit her better.

Stopbeingsomean · 01/02/2025 08:34

luckylavender · 01/02/2025 08:24

@Stopbeingsomean - moaning about a co worker, watching her and reporting back on an anonymous forum is not in the child / school's best interest. You should be ashamed.

So you want me to be ashamed about the behaviour that actually you have condoned as being acceptable? Really weird tbh.

If you bothered to RTFT. you would see that I have already reported and nothing was done.

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Conniebygaslight · 01/02/2025 08:34

When mine were in a lovely primary school a temp head teacher was assigned. She was incredibly mean and the school changed overnight. She banned the Christmas nativity for the older children. Wouldn’t allow any snacks (even fruit) after swimming and made them all sit in silence at lunchtime. My DD was shouted at at told she had 3 of her merit points removed for talking at the lunch table and was devastated. This woman had come out of retirement but was awful. How she’d ever worked with children was beyond me. Our now grown DC still remember her stint. She was the sister of a famous comedian too.

luckylavender · 01/02/2025 08:24

@Stopbeingsomean - moaning about a co worker, watching her and reporting back on an anonymous forum is not in the child / school's best interest. You should be ashamed.

Purpleturtle46 · 01/02/2025 08:09

TheNumberfaker · 01/02/2025 08:06

It was a small group and the other TA clearly gives out stickers for good (effort I hope) work. Katie wasn’t randomly asking for a sticker. It’s great that Katie was able to do work worthy of a sticker and identity that she had done it. If seven year old Katie is having trouble ordering numbers like 11 and 9 then she clearly deserves and should get the praise and sticker rewards that are usual for her interventions.

Yeah I am not arguing that she deserved the sticker, I would have given her one. I would also have said in a light hearted way to remember it's not polite to ask for things.

TheNumberfaker · 01/02/2025 08:07

Identify not identity

TheNumberfaker · 01/02/2025 08:06

Purpleturtle46 · 01/02/2025 07:59

I'm a teacher of that age group, I wouldn't have handled it that way but I would have reminded her that she shouldn't ask for it.

Children are increasingly entitled these days. Just in the last 2 weeks we have had a couple of mums into talk to the class about their career/religion and both times several children have asked if they could have one of the things she brought into show them.

Even after discussing why that was rude with them after the first visit a few still asked the second mum 🙄.

It was a small group and the other TA clearly gives out stickers for good (effort I hope) work. Katie wasn’t randomly asking for a sticker. It’s great that Katie was able to do work worthy of a sticker and identity that she had done it. If seven year old Katie is having trouble ordering numbers like 11 and 9 then she clearly deserves and should get the praise and sticker rewards that are usual for her interventions.

Stopbeingsomean · 01/02/2025 08:00

luckylavender · 01/02/2025 07:38

And you wonder why so many people are leaving education. Maybe the TA was having a bad day. The little girl was cheeky. Move on, let her learn a lesson.

@luckylavender

I am really hoping you don’t work in education if you think it’s ok to treat children like crap because your day isn’t going well.

If you went for a meal and your food was thrown on the plate, would you be ok with it if you were told ‘Sorry! The chef’s having a bad day’

Say you’re waiting at the doctor’s surgery and you’ve been sitting there 45 mins. You go to the receptionist and ask if it’s going to be much longer. She says ‘Well actually you were going to be next, but seeing as you have asked, I am now going to make you wait longer’

seriously????

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Newfoundzestforlife · 01/02/2025 08:00

Crackanut · 27/01/2025 23:20

That's absolutely ridiculous over a sticker. "Raising bloody hell"? No wonder teachers are leaving in their droves.

Look at you condoning spiteful behaviour towards children....if the teachers that leave are anything like this one, they're better off away from kids anyway!

TheNumberfaker · 01/02/2025 08:00

Stopbeingsomean · 01/02/2025 07:44

So yesterday I sat a little further away from the TA in our maths group, but close enough to hear her. First of all Katie (obvs not her name)asked ‘Are we doing x or y first Miss?’ TA responded ‘I will decide what we are doing thank you’ Katie also asked if she could go on the computer to play a maths game. This is part of the learning programme and not optional. The TA said she would decide depending on how hard the independent work was that the teacher had set. The independent work is called ‘independent’ for a reason but she never lets her do it independently. She looked at the work set by the teacher, deemed it too hard and gave her something different. I agree it was way too hard, but no excuse to stop her going on the computer.

During the session she again got annoyed when she didn’t answer something correctly and told her to sit up and pay attention. When she said that 11 came before 9, the TA made a clenched fist and thumped the table, turning her head away from Katie and sighing loudly. She didn’t bang the table, but it was still a small thud.

At one point Katie was looking down fiddling with her shoe. TA said ‘What are you doing? What have I told you about listening? Am I down there? No! I am not. Katie said ‘I have two holes in my shoe Miss’ TA replied ‘I am not interested in your shoe to be quite honest with you’ This shoe shoukd have been enquired about. ‘Does mummy know? Are you getting new ones?’ This needed reporting as a concern to be looked into but it wasn’t.

I really do not know what to do. I saw Katie later in the library and I asked her does she enjoy the maths group and she said yes. She was smiling! I don’t understand how she can. Is she used to that way of teaching in her culture so thinks it’s ok?

If the teacher is expecting the work to be done independently, then the TA should let Katie do it independently. How else will the teacher be able to assess Katie’s progress? I would go to Katie’s teacher and express your concerns about how the other TA is handling her interventions.

Purpleturtle46 · 01/02/2025 07:59

Stopbeingsomean · 27/01/2025 22:30

I work as a TA in a primary school and something happened today that made me really sad.

I was working with a group of ten children, split between three adults. We were working on subtraction with this particular group who really struggle with maths.

I heard the other TA tell a child she had done very well. The little girl was really proud of herself and had a huge smile on her face and asked “Am I going to get a sticker Miss?” The TA looked very sternly at her and said “Katie, stickers are given out at my discretion. I decide when to give them. I was actually going to give you one, but as you have asked, unfortunately I am not going to give you one now” Honestly she looked devastated. She’s 7 years old.

AIBU to think this was really spiteful?

YABU - She should not have asked.

YANBU - She deserved a sticker

I'm a teacher of that age group, I wouldn't have handled it that way but I would have reminded her that she shouldn't ask for it.

Children are increasingly entitled these days. Just in the last 2 weeks we have had a couple of mums into talk to the class about their career/religion and both times several children have asked if they could have one of the things she brought into show them.

Even after discussing why that was rude with them after the first visit a few still asked the second mum 🙄.

Stopbeingsomean · 01/02/2025 07:54

Hwi · 01/02/2025 07:30

This little girl was cheeky and rude. You don't ask for things like that - I don't ever recall, ever, anyone in my class asking a teacher if they will get a high mark (equivalent of a sticker, I suppose). This is how entitlement is bred and nurtured. Well done to the teacher.

@Hwi

Have you actually rtft???
It wasn’t even a teacher and she didn’t even ask.

During your whole working life, have you ever asked for a pay rise?

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TheNumberfaker · 01/02/2025 07:53

luckylavender · 01/02/2025 07:38

And you wonder why so many people are leaving education. Maybe the TA was having a bad day. The little girl was cheeky. Move on, let her learn a lesson.

She wasn’t being cheeky though. She was in a very small intervention group, and so the TA was giving her lots of attention and she asked if she had done well enough to get a sticker. That’s not being cheeky.

Stopbeingsomean · 01/02/2025 07:51

Sugargliderwombat · 01/02/2025 07:22

Your school sounds absolutely nuts! Why is only one TA allowed to give out stickers? Why are they even getting stickers for maths?

Some TA’s give them and some don’t. I personally just give praise as I often forget to bring them or lose them.

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Mummyto2boyz · 01/02/2025 07:49

TA sounds like a bitch! Honestly some of the stuff my kids have told me about the TAs makes me wonder where they find them.

Theextraordinaryisintheordinary · 01/02/2025 07:47

Someone’s on a power trip over a 7 year old! What a sad twerp!

Stopbeingsomean · 01/02/2025 07:44

So yesterday I sat a little further away from the TA in our maths group, but close enough to hear her. First of all Katie (obvs not her name)asked ‘Are we doing x or y first Miss?’ TA responded ‘I will decide what we are doing thank you’ Katie also asked if she could go on the computer to play a maths game. This is part of the learning programme and not optional. The TA said she would decide depending on how hard the independent work was that the teacher had set. The independent work is called ‘independent’ for a reason but she never lets her do it independently. She looked at the work set by the teacher, deemed it too hard and gave her something different. I agree it was way too hard, but no excuse to stop her going on the computer.

During the session she again got annoyed when she didn’t answer something correctly and told her to sit up and pay attention. When she said that 11 came before 9, the TA made a clenched fist and thumped the table, turning her head away from Katie and sighing loudly. She didn’t bang the table, but it was still a small thud.

At one point Katie was looking down fiddling with her shoe. TA said ‘What are you doing? What have I told you about listening? Am I down there? No! I am not. Katie said ‘I have two holes in my shoe Miss’ TA replied ‘I am not interested in your shoe to be quite honest with you’ This shoe shoukd have been enquired about. ‘Does mummy know? Are you getting new ones?’ This needed reporting as a concern to be looked into but it wasn’t.

I really do not know what to do. I saw Katie later in the library and I asked her does she enjoy the maths group and she said yes. She was smiling! I don’t understand how she can. Is she used to that way of teaching in her culture so thinks it’s ok?

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luckylavender · 01/02/2025 07:38

And you wonder why so many people are leaving education. Maybe the TA was having a bad day. The little girl was cheeky. Move on, let her learn a lesson.

luckylavender · 01/02/2025 07:36

Han86 · 01/02/2025 07:25

And this is why stickers get banned.

Kids moan they didn't get one, parents moan their child didn't get one, kid loses sticker and gets upset, and seems there are even staff issues handed out stickers.

Perhaps you should go no stickers at your school like many others have done.

This

Hwi · 01/02/2025 07:30

This little girl was cheeky and rude. You don't ask for things like that - I don't ever recall, ever, anyone in my class asking a teacher if they will get a high mark (equivalent of a sticker, I suppose). This is how entitlement is bred and nurtured. Well done to the teacher.