GMB reporting on liberation of Auschwitz (minus the Jews!)

She miss spoke
very unfortunate
the rest of the interview and coverage was good

It was. But there are other posters bringing up Palestine. So.

When people declare war, they attempt to do what they have to achieve their war aims. Hamas doesn't cae one bit about its people, in fact they crave martyrs. They create martyrs.

When a protest is hostile towards a group of people (Jews), to the extent that they feel unable to leave their homes every Saturday, due to verbal abuse and antisemitic chants and banners then it’s time to halt them. The protests serve no purpose. The UK are not going to change their stance because a very minuscule percentage of our population chooses to parade our streets. The pro Palestinian supporters have made their point. They want to turn the West against Israel and interfere in the Israeli governments attempts to eradicate a terrorist group and rescue their people. It’s never going to happen. Even the Labour Party (who have had problems with antisemitism in their party) are backing Israel. If people really want to help, then donate aid to the many organisations helping Palestine. The protests are not helping Palestine at all, and are just there to intimidate.

How and why do you think that right wing nationalism has arisen in Israel? Israel was founded on broadly socialist principles.

How many times have the Palestinian leadership turned down settlements and two state solutions over the decades? How many intifadas and campaigns of terrorism can any nation tolerate?

You do realise that words have meaning. War is not the exact same thing as genocide. Have you witnessed Israel transporting muslim arabs from around the Middle East into Gaza in cattle trucks - to especially designed gas chambers?

Israel is a modern, democratic country and all citizens have equal rights - and that includeds the 20% of the population that is Arab - Muslim. Everyone has the vote, can sit in the Knesset, and take up any role or profession in society.

Until Hamas and other extremist organisations cease with their jihadi campaign, israel will do what it has to do to secure its borders and defend its citizens. War aims are standard in any conflict but war in and of itself is not genocide.

If genocide is your main concern i take it you have a lot to say about what is going on in Sudan at present, or what has been going on in Northern syria, or any number of other places in the world?

Or maybe you are just on a bandwagon, and when that wagon departs so will you.

@Comedycook no, I mean that Israel has been attacking and displacing Palestinians one way or another for many, many years now. The hamas attack (which obviously shouldn’t have happened) just gave them a convenient excuse to be more openly aggressive.

But like I said earlier on, if you think the response has been appropriate and proportional… I don’t know what to say.

It was not just Jews!
The re writing of history began decades ago when other victim groups were not, and continue, to receive no mention, even on HMD.

Convenient excuse? Do you mean the murder, rape and kidnappings of October 7th?

@HellsBalls thanks to Hamas? The displacement of Palestinians started long before the 7th of October. It’s just that now Israel has a convenient excuse to do it out in the open.

It was not only Jews ! I am also outraged you don’t mention that.

It’s not a genocide. If Israel wanted to genocide the Palestinians it would have been done by now.
It’s a legitimate war, thanks to Hamas.

Agree
But historical fact is important or the truth gets blurred and ultimately lost.

Thats not being pedantic that’s sticking to facts to preserve history.

So I feel it’s important to state the camps were not built solely to exterminate Jews, it’s important to note that 6million Jews were not just killed in the Camps but everywhere.
Im sure for Jewish people and everyone who holds this period close as part of their personal family history it’s very important to get the facts correct.

Perhaps we need more people being pedantic so it’s not all lost in Chinese whispers

This is a thread about the Holocaust.

Exactly this. Its pure antisemitism. We could see it then. We see it now. Why @mnhq tolerates it is beyond me.

There’s a genocide going on in Gaza. That doesn’t take away from any other genocides in history but there is a genocide in Palestine.

Holocaust/ Gaza equivalencies are equally disgusting. Bit sick of the 6th form politics regarding the Middle East, it’s been a shit show for someone or another since the dawn of civilisation. Hamas I imagine are very grateful for the unwavering support of middle class British women

Brilliantly put

I'm glad they did, because I didn't know that fact, and now I do. I'm never going to complain about finding out new facts!

But thats the point. Those of us who weren't being pedantic were remembering all the Jews murdered by the Nazis. It would be utterly bizarre to remember or not remember Jews depending on how they were killed. HMD is about remembering all Jews murdered by tbe Nazis. The HMD event I was at also remebered those murdered in the years before the war too.

I don’t know.
Just pre emptying a MN saying I am

ultimately millions of Jewish people were killed and perhaps it’s petty to discuss how in number terms. Whilst it’s the cold hard reality of the figures it does seem insensitive.

However.
Irrespective of the sensitivities the facts remain. It wasn’t 6 million in the camps. I just don’t understand why people can’t get the facts correct.

GMB - disgusting behaviour and absolutely on purpose. Every time the holocaust is mentioned someone has to say ‘it was Jews but it was also …’ which feels like the saying that everything before the but doesn’t matter. When as rightly pointed out every single person who was systematically murdered by the nazis was an individual human being.

Holocaust/ Gaza equivalencies are equally disgusting. Bit sick of the 6th form politics regarding the Middle East, it’s been a shit show for someone or another since the dawn of civilisation. Hamas I imagine are very grateful for the unwavering support of middle class British women.

Elon Musk is a prick and just goes where the wind blows.

Posters on MN were trying to say what Israel was doing in Gaza was like the Holocaust a couple of weeks after the 7th October massacre by Hamas, before the ground invasion of Gaza even.

Which shows that comparisons between Israel's actions and the Holocaust are not about accurate comparisons of scale and industrialisation of death but about using the Holocaust to attack the Jewish state, which is pretty grim.

Agree the gas chambers.
Personally I think it’s good to get the facts right when referencing any historical fact so I don’t think it’s being pedantic ….

To all those who were killed in the camps before they started using gas chambers it’s not irrelevant as I believe they deserve remembering too.