GMB reporting on liberation of Auschwitz (minus the Jews!)

I looked this up; the first result was their apology. Hope it's already been posted but, for anyone who missed it: https://www.jewishnews.co.uk/gmb-apologises-for-omitting-the-word-jews-in-holocaust-memorial-day-segment/

On Tuesday, Singh issued an on-air apology, saying: “In yesterday’s news when we reported on the memorial events in Auschwitz, we said six million people were killed in the Holocaust, but crucially failed to say they were Jewish. That was our mistake, for which we apologise.”

"This failure was done in error, however clear reference to Jewish people in the correspondent news report from Auschwitz immediately followed, as well as a further extended programme report referencing the six million Jewish victims."

Well, it was part of the Turkish empire for a long time. Then turkey sided with Germany in ww1 and at the end of ww1 their empire was disbanded. Britain was given the mandate to rule it by the league of nations.

There's a lot more to it than that but the important thing is to keep in mind that current day conflicts usually have long roots and it's rarely the case that one side is good while the other is bad. There are just different perspectives on the same situation.

If one side seems to be doing something disproportionate then people should read some history and try to understand the cause before painting them as evil. Humans are all the same really

You seem very keen to point out what you perceive as others lack of education. I think you should look a little closer to home.

Actually the period in which the Nazis rose to power was in the inter-war years.

Not all jews were poor, and even if they were they integrated into functioning German/Polish/Ukrainian/ Hunagrian/Romanian/Italian/French/Dutch societies in many roles. Jewish people contributed greatly to the arts and to culture, and to learning - often leaving great collections and libraries; developing medicines, transport systems, great buildings.

Jewish people were totally disenfranchised - herded into gehttos; forbidden from partaking in most professions; had their possessions confiscated and subject to massacres - eventually leading to the 'final solution' which involved rounding up Europe's jews and transporting them to the death camps. Many were used as slave labour and worked to death.

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This is the thing. When you hear people either on here or on the marches, they talk as if Palestine was an independent nation and Jewsish people sweptbit and took it as colonists conquerors. That didn't happen at all.

Don't talk nonsense. If Israel had wanted to commit genocide it would have done, Instead it delivered aid and gave warnings. It was Hamas that was and is willing to sacrifice its people - by stealing the aid, building tunnels under schools and hospitals, and by aiming mis-firing missiles into Israel every day since Israel withdrew from Gaza in 2005.

Hamas uses all of those international donations not to build up a functioning state, but to develop more tunnels and enrich its leaders at the expense of the population.

Genocide is more akin to what Hamas attempted on October the 7th...which is to target civilians just because they are jewish/Israeli; to plunder homes; rape and mutilate women and girls; shoot dead babies and elderly people in their own beds......alll because they are jewish -and because the Hamas charter declares that their aim is the total elimination of Israel and all of the jews living in Israel. ( which is the majority of the world's jews)

A discussion commemorating previous atrocities with similarites to today is the very time to remind todays generation the connection

But the holocaust and Gaza have very few similarities... Even if you are appalled by what's happening in Gaza , they are not comparable.

But everything else in this sub thread does? Why are you only objecting now?

The Balfour declaration has nothing to do with this thread or the Holocaust.

How many people know why the British were in a position to do that? What was occurring in the area before the British?

I get that is your opinion but the dismissal of what I wrote should be restated to say that it was the opinion of a holocaust survivor.

I bow to their experience and opinion having lived through it and don’t dismiss it in any way being their horrific lived experience.

It was the British who set up Israel. It wasn't an invasion by Zionists.

It's more like if I invite you round to my house while I have other guests. You would have to try and get along because although you are both there neither of you own the house.

I fully understand why no one wanted them and it's no different now with asylum seekers. But it's nothing to do with boiling frogs. What happened was horrific, people (influential people in positions of power that is, I am not talking mainly about ordinary working people) knew and did nothing. If it can't be blamed on any country there's no lesson to be learned, is there?

"It is unfair to lay what happened to Jews in the door any Country" - seriously?

I'm bowing out of this thread as it is beginning to upset me.

Murdering, Abducting, Abusing etc innocent people is wrong,any group carrying that out are scum in my eyes. That doesn't matter where your allegiances lay.

A discussion commemorating previous atrocities with similarites to today is the very time to remind todays generation the connection.

It was formed by the British who were in charge of Palestine at the time. They had agreed to do it in 1917. Don't think there was much welcoming with open arms either. During the war visas to Palestine were restricted by the British to 12,000 a year. Excess migrants were put in camps in Cyprus. This was due to pressure from the Palestinian leadership who were allied with Hitler in the war. They both hated Jews. That hasn't changed. By the way Palestine has been part of an empire for hundreds of years - it wasn't an independent nation.

1. correct. I'm still not sure why you said even Jewish survivors think this.

2. Agree.

3. I'm not sure why you are discussing, presumably, a massacre and hostage taking in terms of a playground fight.

You are correct, that was a poor choice of phrase. Prisoners of a bunch of lunatics might be a better fit.

The post you quote is well thought out imo.

We must be very aware of that drip of 'X' is bad no matter your own views. It is unfair to lay what happened to Jews in the door any Country. The majority of the population were scraping an existence during a time of war. It is easy sitting in your armchair tonight and say, Whichever Countries should have taken these poor people in. And ideally you are correct. But at a time when food and other resources were scarce and not reliable, you should be able to understand why it didn't happen.
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Anyway it was only gradual in Germany. In other countries like Austria, Poland, Hungary the Jews were methodically rounded up and exterminated with no lead in and this was sadly welcomed by a large proportion of the non Jewish people there.

My Polish Jewish relative (sole survivor from her family as far as we are aware) always said she could forgive the Germans - they were following orders, doing as they were told. She could, however, never forgive the Polish as they joined in by choice.

They weren't POWs. Hope that was ignorance and not deliberate.

Not sure I fully agree. The only reason the small things were tolerated is because of the antisemitism that was normalised in society so lots of people thought the anti Jewish laws were great. I mean who thinks that making Jews wear a star or not be allowed to partake in normal society is a small thing?

Anyway it was only gradual in Germany. In other countries like Austria, Poland, Hungary the Jews were methodically rounded up and exterminated with no lead in and this was sadly welcomed by a large proportion of the non Jewish people there.

Hitler wanted to kill them all but no other country actually wanted to save them enough to allow them to seek asylum there. If other countries (UK, USA for e.g ) had allowed Jewish refugees to escape Germany and go there, most of them would probably have survived.

You really need to educate yourself as to what the day actually is. It isn't just about just Auschwitz. It is about the attempted genocide of a number of groups of people along with those that spoke out against Nazi behaviour.

This is a thread about remembrance of the holocaust at Auschwitz not mentioning Jews. Did you see the footage that came out of that place of evil? The starvation, the piles of shoes and glasses, the haunted faces of the remaining survivors?

And you think that's what Israel is perpetrating in Gaza? Have you no shame?