GMB reporting on liberation of Auschwitz (minus the Jews!)

I’m beginning to believe that the rise/promotion of the right side of politics is being orchestrated to counter the rise of the Islamists.
Probably no bad thing if it brings more balance.

However that is probably for a different thread. It’s not related to the topic.

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please don't minimise. Yes,
other minorities were murdered. That's horrendous and evil. The camps were set up to
kill Jews though. It was a deliberate act
of totally unprovoked and evil Antisemitism.
The vast majority murdered were JEWS:

www.auschwitz.org/en/history/auschwitz-and-shoah/the-number-of-victims/

Pretty sure there were other representatives of former soviet countries.

The Israel government has not put people in Gaza in Auschwitz type
concentration camps or built ovens.

They've engage however in a harassment policy against Palestinians in their own home to gain territory not belonging to them, They keep putting more fundamentalist settlers in UN recognised Palestinian territory, targeting their civilians for their own political gain. What they've done in Gaza is a massacre against a civilian population unable to defend themselves. It's not comparable to the Holocaust but it's a genocide all the same.

Did you read the thread? Perhaps call out the person who derailed it by talking about hate marches?

I know full well that this is not what you meant. However if that comment is deleted, fair enough so be it.

However I can't fathom why you would be on THIS thread at THIS moment in time defending the lack of mention of Jews and Jewish people by ITV with persistent references to the Gaza situation.

Absolutely not. What an astonishingly simplistic thing to say.

No-one deserves a genocide.

Why the fuck does gaza have to be shoehorned into every thread?

There is no comparison between the holocaust, the final solution and the evil of the nazis. A proper genocide. Look up the pre and post holocaust numbers of Jews in Europe

I despair

@WestwardHo1 , that is out of order, trying to put words in another posters mouth. Vile words at that. You should be ashamed of yourself.

I think some of the elderly Russian people who were in ww2 should have been invited yesterday. Russia played a massive role in crushing Germany. This shouldn't be swept under the carpet as we don't agree with Putin and the war in Ukraine. These are present day politics.

We shouldn't brush aside a whole country. Not everyone supports what their government do.

@ummymummy Are you seriously comparing the holocaust with gaza?

Wow

I haven't been able to stop thinking about her. I can't get my head around such nobility and courage.

If people haven't heard of Ilse Weber, google her.

She is the person, and Jews like her, that ITV (if it was deliberate) were attempting to erase by leaving them out of the groups listed.

11 million people died during the Holocaust - 6 million Jews and 5 million non Jews. That 5 million comprise Russian, Polish nationals, gypsies, disabled and other groups the Nazis hated because of race, faith, ideology or disability.

One of the biggest nazi's extermination against a civilian population was against the Russians. They detested them - what they did against them was beyond horrific But (this is where politics come into play), Israel don't recognise them as victims of the Holocaust. Even if the Nazis hated Russians as much as the Jews, their atrocities against them have been whitewashed by their own political interests.

Knowing what we do today, it's more than reasonable to talk about ALL the millions that died in the Holocaust.

That’s terrible!

Ive noticed the way most of the media seems to have got a balance between acknowledging that majority of people murdered we’re Jewish - and murdered for that reason - and also commemorating the other groups who were also murdered, such as Roma, gay people etc

Nothing antisemitic about "tell the chosen people to go back to where they came from"? Fucking hell.

I'm also astounded by pps trying to justify and defend on here. @WestwardHo1 I thought that documentary was extraordinary. So moving and unbelievable that the musicians could create such beauty out of the horror. It was so moving. The lullaby that was sung to the children in the gas chamber had me in floods.

Correct and this should certainly not be the case.

It doesn’t however mean that someone on this thread can’t be called out for talking nonsense.

And have you missed the bit which showed they mentioned those other groups by name? But they missed out the Jews? On Holocaust Memorial Day?

I can't actually believe I'm reading some of this.

I am guessing the liberators were unaware of what was happening in the camps as the nazis kept it all controlled and hidden. Dhs dad was amongst the British army who first went in as liberators. He said they had no idea about the horrors that that they seen. He said they could smell the camp from 5 miles away and had no idea what the smell was.
He never mentioned religions either talking about it, just seen human beings brutalised or dead. He still cried about it just before dying in his 80s. He was 22 then.

This is a thread which is about the erasure of the word "Jew" and "Jewish" from Holocaust Memorial Day, by a national broadcaster and an MP.

Think on this.

I agree it’s desperate and really hope
it is kept to fringes of the demonstrations. The problem is that the loud hateful chanting is what reported and heard. I don’t live near a protest march route so have seen them first hand.