GMB reporting on liberation of Auschwitz (minus the Jews!)

How and why do you think that right wing nationalism has arisen in Israel? Israel was founded on broadly socialist principles.

How many times have the Palestinian leadership turned down settlements and two state solutions over the decades? How many intifadas and campaigns of terrorism can any nation tolerate?

You do realise that words have meaning. War is not the exact same thing as genocide. Have you witnessed Israel transporting muslim arabs from around the Middle East into Gaza in cattle trucks - to especially designed gas chambers?

Israel is a modern, democratic country and all citizens have equal rights - and that includeds the 20% of the population that is Arab - Muslim. Everyone has the vote, can sit in the Knesset, and take up any role or profession in society.

Until Hamas and other extremist organisations cease with their jihadi campaign, israel will do what it has to do to secure its borders and defend its citizens. War aims are standard in any conflict but war in and of itself is not genocide.

If genocide is your main concern i take it you have a lot to say about what is going on in Sudan at present, or what has been going on in Northern syria, or any number of other places in the world?

Or maybe you are just on a bandwagon, and when that wagon departs so will you.

You and other PPs were correct, but GMB were not. In a single sentence they made at least four errors which were variously offensive/misleading:

Six million mystery people killed in the camps - no, they were Jews, and only some of them in the camps. Two errors.

Millions of 'others' killed for ... reasons ... - the syntax implies they are not people (self-evidently wrong) or that none of them were in the camps (factually wrong). Two errors.

How is it possible to do such a shoddy job? This wasn't breaking news, reported on the fly. And it's potentially sensitive. Not only Jews but also Romani could justifiably be annoyed.

I think it's obliviousness and callousness rather than hatred, but who knows?

She also got it wrong. I specifically said in the death camps and by the Nazis to allow for the fact that they weren't all slaughtered in the death camps.

I was correct.

Indeed, my immediate assumption when anyone whatabouts Gaza when the Holocaust comes up is that they just hate Jewish people. If that's not the case they need to know that pretty much everyone who doesn't hate Jewish people also makes the assumption that they are hateful anti semites.

Antisemites compare Gaza to the Holocaust deliberately to upset Jews and they have been doing since well before this invasion. It's probably best avoided as a comparison 1) to avoid suspicion of antisemitism and 2) because it's not a good comparison.

People desperate to pick apart my above post might think there isn't any comparison at all are welcome to their opinion. I can see a comparison where thousands of people are displaced and brutalised, told to move and become homeless, mudered by starvation, lack of any medical facilities, treated as dirt because of their religion, being made to feel inhuman.
I did say "what has happened in Gaza isn't equivalent at all to the horrors of the holocaust " , obviously the murder of 6 million people doesn't compare with anything in recent history but to me denying there is no comparison at all isn't true.

That's my opinion, if you don't share it, that's up to you.

Of course people link them. Reading what happened during the holocaust and how horrifically the Jewish people were treated, then seeing how the Palestinians have been driven out of their homes and bombed and murdered, its hard not to see echo's of a past that we all had hoped never to see again. Of course what has happened in Gaza isn't equivalent at all to the horrors of the holocaust, but denying any comparison doesn't feel realistic.

I’m keen on facts and the truth in everything.
No point in posting stuff that’s clearly inaccurate.

Whats the point of threads filled with that.

If people aren’t interested I guess they’ll scroll on by.
I can’t believe I’m having to justify the relevance of facts ! Moving on …

I’m keen on facts and the truth in everything.
No point in posting stuff that’s clearly inaccurate.

Whats the point of threads filled with that.

If people aren’t interested I guess they’ll scroll on by.
I can’t believe I’m having to justify the relevance of facts ! Moving on …

The facts not correct there
2.5 million Jews were killed in the death camps
The other 3.5 million were killed in ghettos, executed elsewhere etc.
Thats where the figure of 6million comes from.

The facts not correct there
2.5 million Jews were killed in the death camps
The other 3.5 million were killed in ghettos, executed elsewhere etc.
Thats where the figure of 6million comes from.

The rise of anti semitism has empowered their behaviour, and it is shocking and terrible that they deliberately refused to clearly state that six million Jews were slaughtered in the death camps and by the Nazis for the simple reason that they were Jews.

Why is Israel having a Jewish majority such a problem?

Of course people link them. Reading what happened during the holocaust and how horrifically the Jewish people were treated, then seeing how the Palestinians have been driven out of their homes and bombed and murdered, its hard not to see echo's of a past that we all had hoped never to see again. Of course what has happened in Gaza isn't equivalent at all to the horrors of the holocaust, but denying any comparison doesn't feel realistic.

Of course people link them. Reading what happened during the holocaust and how horrifically the Jewish people were treated, then seeing how the Palestinians have been driven out of their homes and bombed and murdered, its hard not to see echo's of a past that we all had hoped never to see again. Of course what has happened in Gaza isn't equivalent at all to the horrors of the holocaust, but denying any comparison doesn't feel realistic.