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For asking to be put on the mortgage?

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Isthismykarma · 27/01/2025 15:55

Posting for friend.

Friend has been with her DP for 2 years, she moved into his place 1 year ago. Not married, no children. Before that friend lived at home with parents.

Her DP has a shared ownership owning 70% of the property and 30% owned by a housing association that rent is paid to. Her DP pays the mortgage and they split the rent and bills. Because of this friend has managed to save a chunk of money.

Her DP eventually wants to buy more shares of the property but has never mentioned my friend being a part of this. He saves a little every month but realistically wouldn’t be able to mortgage the whole property even if he did get enough of a deposit to (need 5% of the remaining value).

Friend was wondering if it’s cheeky to ask him if she could be put on his mortgage then she would happily put down the money for the deposit and they can jointly own the whole property - no more paying rent. They could speak to somebody who can help them ring fence her DPs current equity and her deposit and then pay the remaining mortgage 50/50.

YABU - this should be led by her DP and she will see grabby
YANBU - it makes sense

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ACynicalDad · 30/01/2025 14:32

Too early to combine assets, should do this in parallel with getting married, but certainly before kids.

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I was just replying to the part about splitting the bills and mortgage because it’s something nobody in the situation had considered as unfair so I found it interesting. Why would she mind?

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Isthismykarma · 28/01/2025 10:31

NoctuaAthene · 28/01/2025 09:44

Well this is not quite right though. It's actually quite difficult to prove beneficial interest in a property as a co-habitee, simply paying the owner a monthly sum as 'rent' isn't usually enough, as a minimum you'd usually have to show you've contributed to maintenance or improvement of the property with a capital sum, and even then you'd often only get back what to you put in rather than a % ownership of the house and therefore a right to profit from capital growth. And also if she was a lodger in someone else's house she'd have no legal rights or tenancy protections at all really. So from that point of view it wouldn't be totally unreasonable for the partner/boyfriend to say she ought to be paying him in 'rent' what it would cost her to rent a room as a lodger locally, which has the added benefit of being tax free for him up to £625 per month plus her share of bills. This is what my partner and I did when he initially moved into my house which still worked out as a good deal for him compared to renting a flat solo. Not saying they need to make a change of course if they're happy with their current financial arrangement and sounds like the friend is being very sensible saving the extra money towards their joint future anyway so it's all effectively in the same pot regardless, but for strict accuracy and for anyone considering this sort of arrangement it's not true that a live-in partner who is not a co-owner of the house can't contribute at all without being deemed to have some kind of 'rights' over the property in future...

Thanks for your perspective, some really helpful advice on this thread it’s made me think! With my ex everything was 50/50 and I’ve just got my own little flat, not sure how I’d split things if I moved in a new partner in the future so it’s interesting to hear these takes :)

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NoctuaAthene · 28/01/2025 09:44

Isthismykarma · 28/01/2025 08:37

I thought general advice was to not pay a partners/let a partner pay your mortgage. If things went sour, and my friend had contributed towards mortgage payments or improvements to the property she could potentially have a claim on the house from a legal standpoint which would make her DP vulnerable (I don’t think in a million years she would do this but still not a good move from her DP perspective).
From her side too, if was renting somewhere else or was a lodger she would have all of the legal protections which she wouldn’t have if she was paying her partner informally. She could come back one day and all her stuff be on the drive.
Also her DP would be essentially profiting from her living there, as shed be paying into the equity of his home and be receiving the return off it. It then creates a weird landlord-tenant relationship and less like a partnership. I wouldn’t ever advise somebody to do what you’re asking, it’s too unfair on both sides and tricky from a legal standpoint.

Well this is not quite right though. It's actually quite difficult to prove beneficial interest in a property as a co-habitee, simply paying the owner a monthly sum as 'rent' isn't usually enough, as a minimum you'd usually have to show you've contributed to maintenance or improvement of the property with a capital sum, and even then you'd often only get back what to you put in rather than a % ownership of the house and therefore a right to profit from capital growth. And also if she was a lodger in someone else's house she'd have no legal rights or tenancy protections at all really. So from that point of view it wouldn't be totally unreasonable for the partner/boyfriend to say she ought to be paying him in 'rent' what it would cost her to rent a room as a lodger locally, which has the added benefit of being tax free for him up to £625 per month plus her share of bills. This is what my partner and I did when he initially moved into my house which still worked out as a good deal for him compared to renting a flat solo. Not saying they need to make a change of course if they're happy with their current financial arrangement and sounds like the friend is being very sensible saving the extra money towards their joint future anyway so it's all effectively in the same pot regardless, but for strict accuracy and for anyone considering this sort of arrangement it's not true that a live-in partner who is not a co-owner of the house can't contribute at all without being deemed to have some kind of 'rights' over the property in future...

NoctuaAthene · 28/01/2025 09:35

Some weird misinformation/misunderstandings on this thread. What the 'friend' is proposing isn't grabby at all, she's not asking to be given half the house, her partner's equity in the property would be protected whilst she would be agreeing to invest money of her own into the property and share the debt/mortgage, sounds reasonable to me, if they were looking to buy a new property together that would be absolutely normal. Not that complicated legally either, they'd be tenants in common with a deed of trust setting out the equity split, perfectly normal and common arrangement.

As OP doubtless knows as a mortgage advisor it's not quite as simple as being 'added to the mortgage', particularly as it's a shared ownership property, they'd have to take out a new joint mortgage and do some conveyancing to buy the part of the house that currently belongs to the housing association, so the DP might well want to wait until his current fixed term mortgage expires before making any changes particularly if he secured a good interest rate before they spiralled but that doesn't mean it's not worth talking about now to enable sensible planning. Yes the DP would I suppose be risking not being able to secure another comparable property in the event of a break-up but equally he'd be benefitting from no longer having to deal with the housing association which will make the property much easier to sell on should they ever need to, plus the equity/capital growth on the 30% of the house he would now jointly own rather than having to pay rent on. So swings, roundabouts etc.

It's also a bit odd that people are saying 2 years is too soon to have this conversation when on other threads MNetters are frothing about a man's lack of commitment if he isn't proposing within 6 months and stories abound about how MNetters moved in with their now-DH after one date and have been married 60 million years or whatever. If the DP doesn't want to commit to that extent or even talk about doing it in the future then fine, the friend can look to her own financial security separately but as adults in a grown up relationship that have discussed kids and marriage surely the time is coming to discuss finances and the longer term plan in a sensible and cooperative way?

Isthismykarma · 28/01/2025 08:37

Saracen · 28/01/2025 01:27

A fairer setup would be for her to pay half of what a similar property costs to rent in that area, not half of the rent on 30% of the property! Plus half of bills.

That's what she'd be paying if she'd moved in with someone who rents, rather than someone who owns. And that's what he'd charge a flat-sharer who wasn't his partner.

He's being very generous.

I thought general advice was to not pay a partners/let a partner pay your mortgage. If things went sour, and my friend had contributed towards mortgage payments or improvements to the property she could potentially have a claim on the house from a legal standpoint which would make her DP vulnerable (I don’t think in a million years she would do this but still not a good move from her DP perspective).
From her side too, if was renting somewhere else or was a lodger she would have all of the legal protections which she wouldn’t have if she was paying her partner informally. She could come back one day and all her stuff be on the drive.
Also her DP would be essentially profiting from her living there, as shed be paying into the equity of his home and be receiving the return off it. It then creates a weird landlord-tenant relationship and less like a partnership. I wouldn’t ever advise somebody to do what you’re asking, it’s too unfair on both sides and tricky from a legal standpoint.

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Saracen · 28/01/2025 01:27

Isthismykarma · 27/01/2025 23:26

Why do you think she’s a cocklodger (or whatever the female equivalent is) when she pays half of the rent and bills? What do you think would be a fairer set up?

A fairer setup would be for her to pay half of what a similar property costs to rent in that area, not half of the rent on 30% of the property! Plus half of bills.

That's what she'd be paying if she'd moved in with someone who rents, rather than someone who owns. And that's what he'd charge a flat-sharer who wasn't his partner.

He's being very generous.

Greyish2025 · 28/01/2025 00:01

Isthismykarma · 27/01/2025 16:06

She would look at ring fencing the deposit and mortgage payments so he’d never lose out on that part, but the risk for him is that he could lose his entire home if they split up as he wouldn’t be accepted for the 100% mortgage. That’s the main factor stopping her from broaching the conversation with him she doesn’t want to look grabby.

At the moment she would look grabby

EliflurtleAndTheInfiniteMadness · 27/01/2025 23:34

Isthismykarma · 27/01/2025 16:06

She would look at ring fencing the deposit and mortgage payments so he’d never lose out on that part, but the risk for him is that he could lose his entire home if they split up as he wouldn’t be accepted for the 100% mortgage. That’s the main factor stopping her from broaching the conversation with him she doesn’t want to look grabby.

She has a risk too, she could end up struggling getting her share of the money out of the property and have to go to court to force a sale, which can be expensive. It's too early in the relationship for this. Once they're engaged maybe, definitely if they get married. I wouldn't have a child or get married without going on it, but they're not got that extra commitment yet. Meanwhile she can save more and if they decide to get married she'll be able to pay a bigger chunk off and if they split up she'll have her savings to get a rental or maybe even a small mortgage herself.

Isthismykarma · 27/01/2025 23:30

cherish123 · 27/01/2025 23:27

Risky sharing a mortgage with someone you are not related to.

Definitely, but inevitable for most people nowadays! It’s very difficult do things on your own without a leg up from family etc

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Isthismykarma · 27/01/2025 23:29

DoYouReally · 27/01/2025 22:18

You're a mortgage advisor?!

Surely then you would know there's feck all in it for him. It's a complication he doesn't need.

She's already gaining a lot by all she is saving in rent.

Not exactly feck all but risks outweigh the rewards for him definitely, after talking it through she’s decided it’s something to not look at at least for now.

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cherish123 · 27/01/2025 23:27

Risky sharing a mortgage with someone you are not related to.

Isthismykarma · 27/01/2025 23:26

Billydavey · 27/01/2025 22:50

She’s really doing well out of this
low rent so she can save a lot, and if she uses that to buy a share of the house she’ll have an asset. She’s not proposing sharing her savings.

what’s a female cocklodger?

Why do you think she’s a cocklodger (or whatever the female equivalent is) when she pays half of the rent and bills? What do you think would be a fairer set up?

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Billydavey · 27/01/2025 22:50

She’s really doing well out of this
low rent so she can save a lot, and if she uses that to buy a share of the house she’ll have an asset. She’s not proposing sharing her savings.

what’s a female cocklodger?

DoYouReally · 27/01/2025 22:18

Isthismykarma · 27/01/2025 17:27

Sorry if I said it really flippantly, I’m a mortgage adviser and they’d pass affordability and credit afaik but this was more about theoretically broaching the subject.

You're a mortgage advisor?!

Surely then you would know there's feck all in it for him. It's a complication he doesn't need.

She's already gaining a lot by all she is saving in rent.

Unexpectedlysinglemum · 27/01/2025 21:55

They could do a deed of trust to protect him. But all she will have is 15% of a flat. She'd be better off getting her own property if possible. Is she buys with him she'll lose her first time buyer perks and won't be able to use them again.

Isthismykarma · 27/01/2025 20:04

heyhopotato · 27/01/2025 19:53

Gosh didn't realise you had to be married and have kids to be able to buy a property. Silly me living in 2025 instead of 1925.

I did this with my partner except it wasn't a shared ownership property. I had the mortgage on the house, we turned it into a new 50/50 deal (selling a property to yourself is more annoying than buying from someone else but it was fine).

We're still together 10 years later, still unmarried, we don't want kids or to get married. Mortgage has 2 years left on it if we keep overpaying. The end.

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I also bought a house unmarried and childless! Mind you, it didn’t turn out great in the end as he’s now my ex, but certainly had nothing to do with being unmarried!

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Isthismykarma · 27/01/2025 20:03

ConstanceM · 27/01/2025 19:39

That's a major CF move - major red flag. Did this friend contribute to partners deposit for the property? If not, hands off.

No and wouldn’t have expected any share of equity built so far, would have expected that to be ring fenced to protect her partners contribution so far and then the remainder debt split 50/50.

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heyhopotato · 27/01/2025 19:53

Gosh didn't realise you had to be married and have kids to be able to buy a property. Silly me living in 2025 instead of 1925.

I did this with my partner except it wasn't a shared ownership property. I had the mortgage on the house, we turned it into a new 50/50 deal (selling a property to yourself is more annoying than buying from someone else but it was fine).

We're still together 10 years later, still unmarried, we don't want kids or to get married. Mortgage has 2 years left on it if we keep overpaying. The end.

ConstanceM · 27/01/2025 19:39

That's a major CF move - major red flag. Did this friend contribute to partners deposit for the property? If not, hands off.

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