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To tell my friend (nicely and diplomatically) to get a grip re her divorce?

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JandamiHash · 27/01/2025 13:31

My friend’s OH asked her for a divorce about 8 months ago. Reason being “I’m sorry but I’ve changed and just don’t love you anymore”. This had been said before and they agreed to try and make it work but after a year it just didnt. no kids (by choice) just dogs. I was obviously terribly sorry for her and it was a shock as i thought they'd worked things out. But her struggle to cope is absolutely off the scale.

She posts about 10 times a day on facebook about how heartbroken she is, or posts memories saying things like "To think we will never go here again". Her ex is still her facebook friend! She calls me a lot crying and or asking for help - she was by her own admission the damsel in distress type in their marriage and never learnt how to do things like get the car serviced or change a lightbulb because her ex always did those things. When she first moved out she called me constantly asking how to find the boiler, how to use a thermostat etc

I’ve helped her through it as best I can, but she resolutely doesn’t want to get over it (she’s said this). She will “never be over it” and “never be ready to move on”. Her ex initially said they could be friends and they have a custody arrangement with the dogs so see each other twice a week. She gets upset because ex won’t stay to watch films or have a glass of wine.

I strongly suspect the ex has a new woman (this all coincided with taking up a particular hobby that has lots of women involved) but my friend refuses to believe this is possible.

Met friend for lunch at the weekend, and she spent 3 hours talking about her ex, crying and saying how she will never ever be over their marriage.

I did try and update her about my life - she initially asked how my kids were and I started updating her about my DS who has a chronic condition that’s thankfully been getting a bit better (I hope!). But she so clearly was desperate to stop talking about it and start talking about her ex.

Her other friends and family have attempted to tell her to move on and she’s fallen out with them or put a status on Facebook saying how upset she is (annoyingly to scores of people telling her she has shit friends if they expect her to just move on and she should take as long as she needs).

Now I love her but I’m getting fed up at her lack of self awareness. I get she’s heartbroken but come on - to be so resolutely sure that you always want to be wallowing in misery, and consuming your friends with your grief, is not ok in my book.

WIBU to politely tell her to get a grip and that next time we meet we limit the conversation about her ex? I don’t want to upset her but equally it’s not fair on me for her to be this way

Or am I an insensitive cow who should be a better friend?

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saraclara · 28/01/2025 07:46

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Well if course the friend is being irrational! Who posts ten 'woe is me' Facebook statuses a day about their divorce?

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meh2025 · 28/01/2025 01:34

Anyway, of course you're not being unreasonable. She really sounds bonkers and you cannot help her. If she is willing to humiliate herself publicly to her ex and everyone who knows her she is way beyond self awareness and a bit of a chat about her behavoiur.

Of course she's mourning, and of course 8 months is not too long but you are not her counsellor and cannot counsel her.

Reasonable people understand that this barrage of misery and woe is not something most people are capable of dealing with or want to have to deal with.

I don't think talking to her will help at all, I'd just back off and mute her. If you do meet up and she brings it up again you could maybe suggest grief counselling as grief counsellors do work with divorced people too in grief, loss and bereavement counselling.

JandamiHash · 27/01/2025 23:20

Mamaghanouch · 27/01/2025 22:43

if I was having a breakdown, which your friend sounds like she is having right now, I would not want to have a friend like you around. I suggest you distant yourself not only for your sake, but for her sake too. Doesn't make you a terrible person, but you have clearly reached your capacity and now lack the compassion, patience and empathy necessary to be alongside this person who is truly at a low ebb.

You think spending 8 months answering her calls, helping her in her new home, listening endlessly to her talk about her ex and having my own life ignored isn’t being a good enough friend?

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thescandalwascontained · 27/01/2025 15:53

"I really think you need to talk to your therapist about all this if it's still so upsetting for you. I can't keep doing this."

This. And I'd definitely bring up the FB posting, especially if she has any colleagues as friends. I'm gathering the courage to have a similar conversation with a friend who's going to make himself unemployable at this rate, through his self indulgent and passive aggressive posting about his last employer who, with very good reason, was forced to sack him.

And yes, she needs counselling, and she needs to know that you're not it, and that it might help if she started showing an interest in her friends lives.

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 27/01/2025 23:12

Do it. I told someone a couple of years ago that I couldn't see the point of discussing her grievances with her on again/off again partner any longer, because I no longer felt I was able to.

Frankly it had become a stuck record, and anyway she would only go back to him yet again.

NiftyKoala · 27/01/2025 23:07

JandamiHash · 27/01/2025 21:56

I’ve never been divorced but I lost my dad in very unjust, sudden and horrific circumstances so yes I absolutely do no pain and grief but managed to be measured with my friends who were very obviously uncomfortable whenever I tried to talk about it

So please take your presumptions elsewhere.

And no I don’t think k declaring you’re never gonna get over it, posting on SM endlessly and consuming a 3 hour lunch with talks of an ex is rational behaviour

Op for what's its worth I know exactly what it's like. With a father dying and a child being diagnosed with a autoimmune disease all at the same time. I do think she's being ridiculous with the social media bs and it will in no way help her. I do think she could use a come to jesus.

Mamaghanouch · 27/01/2025 22:43

JandamiHash · 27/01/2025 21:17

Yes I understand how divorce works but my point is that it’s consuming her beyond what is rational

if I was having a breakdown, which your friend sounds like she is having right now, I would not want to have a friend like you around. I suggest you distant yourself not only for your sake, but for her sake too. Doesn't make you a terrible person, but you have clearly reached your capacity and now lack the compassion, patience and empathy necessary to be alongside this person who is truly at a low ebb.

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JandamiHash · 27/01/2025 22:15

I know and I’ve spent 8 months on hand being understanding but my whole AIBU is to ask if it’s fine that I’ve had enough.

well, you have obviously had enough. For now, at least. Why not just have a bit of a break from her - it doesn't have to be a permanent NC. You can check in by text every now and then. You can even use the just let her talk/listening-not listening technique on the phone where you just let her talk, but don't necessarily listen to everything she's saying, but make encouraging noises every now and then that make it sound like you're listening. You can even lay your phone down on speaker for a bit and just let her talk away. I have used this technique a couple of times and it's worked. The speaker gets to go on and on and I don't really have to listen too deeply so am not affected by what they're saying, but it's immensely satisfying for them.

JandamiHash · 27/01/2025 22:15

ZebedeeDougalFlorence · 27/01/2025 22:11

Condolences re your father.

With due respect, because you handled the grief well that time does not mean that you would be as sanguine if your marriage fell apart. We don't always know how we are going to be affected by grief. I have seen it be a very wild experience for a lot of people.

I know and I’ve spent 8 months on hand being understanding but my whole AIBU is to ask if it’s fine that I’ve had enough.

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JandamiHash · 27/01/2025 21:56

I’ve never been divorced but I lost my dad in very unjust, sudden and horrific circumstances so yes I absolutely do no pain and grief but managed to be measured with my friends who were very obviously uncomfortable whenever I tried to talk about it

So please take your presumptions elsewhere.

And no I don’t think k declaring you’re never gonna get over it, posting on SM endlessly and consuming a 3 hour lunch with talks of an ex is rational behaviour

Condolences re your father.

With due respect, because you handled the grief well that time does not mean that you would be as sanguine if your marriage fell apart. We don't always know how we are going to be affected by grief. I have seen it be a very wild experience for a lot of people.

JandamiHash · 27/01/2025 21:56

TheFormidableMrsC · 27/01/2025 21:53

The fact you say "beyond what is rational" just demonstrates you haven't the slightest clue of what this can be like.

I’ve never been divorced but I lost my dad in very unjust, sudden and horrific circumstances so yes I absolutely do no pain and grief but managed to be measured with my friends who were very obviously uncomfortable whenever I tried to talk about it

So please take your presumptions elsewhere.

And no I don’t think k declaring you’re never gonna get over it, posting on SM endlessly and consuming a 3 hour lunch with talks of an ex is rational behaviour

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TheFormidableMrsC · 27/01/2025 21:53

The fact you say "beyond what is rational" just demonstrates you haven't the slightest clue of what this can be like.

JandamiHash · 27/01/2025 21:52

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I am there for her but I also have my limits. Hence my AIBU

I have no idea why you’re being so random with posts but if you have something to say I suggest you say it.

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Codlingmoths · 27/01/2025 21:47

ZebedeeDougalFlorence · 27/01/2025 19:13

Poor woman. I can see how it would be tough for you to have to listen to her day in day out, but I'm glad that you're not my friend because you talk about her with such disdain. I don't think you should tell her to pull herself together or snap out of it because she probably can't. She is having a kind of breakdown. She needs professional help, as others have mentioned.

I particularly disliked the post where you implied that her DH was right to leave her because of her "helplessness". What friend says things like that?

8 months isn't that long. I hope that she is able to find herself again independently of him. We all know what's going on with him and deep down she knows it too and won't be surprised when he posts that his new woman is pregnant. As I said before...poor woman. I wish her well.

My dh tried strategic incompetence with cooking. I told him he was an adult and perfectly capable of cooking and in a marriage two people pull their weight. I’d have divorced him if he’d thought a marriage was me carrying him, how is that unreasonable?

FindusMakesPancakes · 27/01/2025 21:44

Emotions aren't rational.

My husband and I separated and it took me a full year to feel anywhere close to normal. I lost a huge amount of weight, didn't sleep more than 3 hours a night. I felt completely overwhelmed and out of control. And that was with weekly counselling and antidepressants. I didn't do the FB craziness, but I definitely did offload too often onto some people. I desperately tried to stop myself because I knew it wasn't fair on them, but sometimes it would just spill out of me when I really didn't intend it to. I have apologised subsequently to the ones I relied on most.

I am not excusing or justifying her reaction, but I can completely understand it.

Madeinbuck · 27/01/2025 21:40

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JandamiHash · 27/01/2025 21:33

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Well that’s kind of the point on my OP, to see if it is rational and I’m being a cow or to see if it’s irrational and I need to speak up

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Yes I understand how divorce works but my point is that it’s consuming her beyond what is rational

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Hotflushesandchilblains · 27/01/2025 20:51

I know a couple of women like this - not close friends, but in friendship groups. Absolutely dependent on their husbands and if they are not around, glom on to whoever will take care of them. It is exhausting. One of the marriages is very solid, but the other one has been shaky for years (to the point that their adult children have said to me they dont know why their parents are still together). God knows how she will cope if it does come to an end. This level of dependence is not normal or healthy, so it is not surprising how much she is struggling. But it is not your job to be her sole support.

Elsvieta · 27/01/2025 20:37

FIND the boiler? How big is her house...?

She sounds pretty pathetic. She will toughen up a bit now, because she'll have to, but you need to think about how long you're willing to wait. It's not going to happen overnight.