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To tell my friend (nicely and diplomatically) to get a grip re her divorce?

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JandamiHash · 27/01/2025 13:31

My friend’s OH asked her for a divorce about 8 months ago. Reason being “I’m sorry but I’ve changed and just don’t love you anymore”. This had been said before and they agreed to try and make it work but after a year it just didnt. no kids (by choice) just dogs. I was obviously terribly sorry for her and it was a shock as i thought they'd worked things out. But her struggle to cope is absolutely off the scale.

She posts about 10 times a day on facebook about how heartbroken she is, or posts memories saying things like "To think we will never go here again". Her ex is still her facebook friend! She calls me a lot crying and or asking for help - she was by her own admission the damsel in distress type in their marriage and never learnt how to do things like get the car serviced or change a lightbulb because her ex always did those things. When she first moved out she called me constantly asking how to find the boiler, how to use a thermostat etc

I’ve helped her through it as best I can, but she resolutely doesn’t want to get over it (she’s said this). She will “never be over it” and “never be ready to move on”. Her ex initially said they could be friends and they have a custody arrangement with the dogs so see each other twice a week. She gets upset because ex won’t stay to watch films or have a glass of wine.

I strongly suspect the ex has a new woman (this all coincided with taking up a particular hobby that has lots of women involved) but my friend refuses to believe this is possible.

Met friend for lunch at the weekend, and she spent 3 hours talking about her ex, crying and saying how she will never ever be over their marriage.

I did try and update her about my life - she initially asked how my kids were and I started updating her about my DS who has a chronic condition that’s thankfully been getting a bit better (I hope!). But she so clearly was desperate to stop talking about it and start talking about her ex.

Her other friends and family have attempted to tell her to move on and she’s fallen out with them or put a status on Facebook saying how upset she is (annoyingly to scores of people telling her she has shit friends if they expect her to just move on and she should take as long as she needs).

Now I love her but I’m getting fed up at her lack of self awareness. I get she’s heartbroken but come on - to be so resolutely sure that you always want to be wallowing in misery, and consuming your friends with your grief, is not ok in my book.

WIBU to politely tell her to get a grip and that next time we meet we limit the conversation about her ex? I don’t want to upset her but equally it’s not fair on me for her to be this way

Or am I an insensitive cow who should be a better friend?

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LaurieFairyCake · 27/01/2025 17:50

Pfft death was MUCH better than divorce for me

At least there's closure with a death, when my ex fucked off with his colleague it was much worse

Yes she needs therapy

Divorce can be (and was for me utterly horrific)

Current dh and I have compromised as I said death was better than divorce. He's given me permission to kill him if he moots divorce Grin

PeppyGreenFinch · 27/01/2025 17:46

It took me 3 years to get over an ex. I refused to talk to anyone about it. My friends said I was like a wraith, physically there but quiet and so obviously not present. The pain was all consuming, I felt like I was in a swamp I couldn’t escape.

I cried every night but no one knew. Or at least I didn’t tell anyone.

So whilst I sympathise with your friend on the pain, I don’t agree with her monopolising all the conversation and making everything about her.

I think you should do as you suggested Op, tell her that after 8 months, you’ve run out of mileage on bottomless sympathy.

Say that she is allowed 10-15 minutes to wallow about ex and then the conversation must move to other things.

You must stick to this. If she refuses then I would limit how much you see her, e.g. once a month or once every 2 months.

If she runs out of friends to use as memory cards then she may start to dig herself out of the swamp.

OVienna · 27/01/2025 17:43

Are they actually divorced or does she still have the technicalities of that to go through? (i.e. such as the financial settlement.)

How long were they married?

How old are they?

It's really tricky for me to form a view as to how patient I'd need to feel towards her without some more info. 10 SM posts a day - way too much in absolute terms. And I get that it's tiresome.

The other bits may or may not be, however 'annoying' she is coming across.

MikeRafone · 27/01/2025 17:40

JandamiHash · 27/01/2025 16:10

Sorry but a break up is not comparable to a death

its a process of grieving, its not the same but it is comparable in the way a human deals with the loss of a relationship

Bubbles90 · 27/01/2025 17:39

She sounds exhausting.

Princessconsuelabananahammock9 · 27/01/2025 17:37

paradisecityx · 27/01/2025 14:18

I currently have 2 people in my life going through divorce and yes it is so utterly boring and draining. They want the world to know they're divorcing & they act as though they're the first people on the planet to be going through it.
I feel like telling them to get a grip & get over it. Why would you pine for someone who has outright told you they don't love you anymore. Especially the whole Facebook status shite, one of them is notorious for it and I cringe everytime I see their name pop up on the feed. Embarrassing. 😳

Because it's heartbreaking?

Emotions are complex.

I can't believe the lack of emotional intelligence some people have.

Princessconsuelabananahammock9 · 27/01/2025 17:36

1mabon · 27/01/2025 14:55

Tell her you do noot wish to discuss her marriage/divorce arrangements, anyway it's none of your business to advise way or the other, she could turn around and blame you if things went pear-shaped. Discretion is the better part of valour.

Tell her not to discuss the huge painful thing she's going through?

What is the point of even having friends if they would say this?

8 months is nothing.

NiftyKoala · 27/01/2025 17:34

I doubt she realizes it but if he's seeing any of this on sm or being told by others he's probably even more glad he left. And using this to say "see what I put up with". The best revenge is moving on and being happy. But she won't get there like this.

ThreeCheersFor5Years · 27/01/2025 17:32

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Did you read the OP?

TheGander · 27/01/2025 17:28

By the by but I had a tenant who was like that- just separating and it was clear she’d never done anything around the house, came from a culture where she had servants in her parents’ home and then got married. She’d ring me saying “ the light is broken send someone to fix it” I’d go round, lo and behold the bulb just needed changing ( she couldn’t figure how to). Or the cooker is broken ( no, the rings are clogged with grease). She was high maintenance.

WhereYouLeftIt · 27/01/2025 17:19

JandamiHash · 27/01/2025 16:26

I don’t like to ask but I do wonder if my friend’s helplessness was a factor in the break up. I know I couldn’t be arsed having to look after someone like that. One of the best things my dad ever did for me (though I did a monumental eye roll at the time being a know it all teenager) was shortly before I went to Uni gave me a little booklet he’d made of things to learn - things like how to find a stop cock, how to wire a plug, how to hang a picture, how to change a tyre, what to do in a power cut etc. I still have it!! And he told me to never ever be dependent on anyone else for this or allow them to be dependent on me.

Off-topic, but can I just say your dad is a star?

CarterBeatsTheDevil · 27/01/2025 17:19

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Heh, well, that's certainly fair

FindusMakesPancakes · 27/01/2025 17:16

JandamiHash · 27/01/2025 16:10

Sorry but a break up is not comparable to a death

It honestly can be as bad. With death, it is final, there is no changing it. It can, for some people, be easier to accept.

The Kubler-Ross model is equally applicable. It sounds like she is stuck somewhere between bargaining and depression, which is very, very normal, particularly if the divorce itself isn't being progressed by her husband. Each phase of that process can push people backwards again.

If you can't offer her the support she needs, it is ok to say that to her.

Createausername1970 · 27/01/2025 17:15

JandamiHash · 27/01/2025 16:26

I don’t like to ask but I do wonder if my friend’s helplessness was a factor in the break up. I know I couldn’t be arsed having to look after someone like that. One of the best things my dad ever did for me (though I did a monumental eye roll at the time being a know it all teenager) was shortly before I went to Uni gave me a little booklet he’d made of things to learn - things like how to find a stop cock, how to wire a plug, how to hang a picture, how to change a tyre, what to do in a power cut etc. I still have it!! And he told me to never ever be dependent on anyone else for this or allow them to be dependent on me.

Aw, that was a lovely thing your dad did for you.

What a good idea. I guess with YouTube and the internet it can all be found out - but the words of wisdom that came with your booklet are priceless.

treesandsun · 27/01/2025 17:15

I would put her on temp mute on fb so you can't see all she posts. 8 months isn't that long and it will be a shock to the system especially if she couldn't change a lightbulb for herself. The future she thought she had has gone.
I think it is ok to wallow in your own misery for a while - but it sounds like it has become a habit for her. I would suggest she tries counselling -someone qualified who is paid to listen and can offer strategies she is less likely to throw back at them. She is obviously hoping for a reconciliation so these dog meets are setting her back from a clean break.
I would say to her - when you need to talk about your life - I realise it is all still fresh for you but I would like to discuss x with you.

Bethany83 · 27/01/2025 17:10

I would say that you are so worried about her and she should see a counsellor and that for her own sake, when you do meet, you should limit talking about the ex for a period of time, fifteen mins for example as you have read that that will help her moving forward etc. It will help her and it will help you!

Tanktanktank · 27/01/2025 17:08

I did tell my friend who had a similar issue. She didn’t change, I went low contact, she didn’t change so I went nc.

Umphh · 27/01/2025 17:06

I think 8 months is normal, and yes I think her level of heartbreak is on the more extreme end but I still think these things hit some people harder (I don't want to throw ND around like sweeties but the inability to regulate or stabilise emotions is quite common). But the constant posting on FB is helpful to no one - if she can go cold turkey on that I think that alone would be super helpful.

I guess you need to decide how much you can take of the endless dwelling about him. She probably needs the outlet but these things can also become addictive and it may be just continuing the cycle. I wonder how much she'll listen even if you do say something outright.

Madeinbuck · 27/01/2025 17:06

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niadainud · 27/01/2025 17:05

Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 27/01/2025 14:44

I know this isn’t the point but….how does anyone not know where the boiler is? Is she the Duchess of somewhere with a huge mansion and a boiler buried in a boiler house ? Or is she just a bit ‘poor me’? And why should you know where her boiler is?

off to finish the painting now….

Yes, I don't think she's done herself any favours with the pathetic little woman act. Can't abide women like that who set the cause of feminism back about fifty years.

UnhappyAndYouKnowIt · 27/01/2025 17:03

They need the shared custody of the dogs to stop and have a clean break. And unfriend on everything, it isn't helping.

LovelyCuppyTea · 27/01/2025 17:02

“Linda this isn’t healthy. I really think you need to seek some help”

And help her research therapists.

Gymnopedie · 27/01/2025 17:00

MounjaroOnMyMind · 27/01/2025 14:20

Why is she letting him see her so vulnerable? Doesn't she realise that if he's seeing someone new, they will be looking at her profile, too?

She's not that aware. My sense is that she doesn't accept that it's over and that by posting about how heartbroken she is she's hoping/believing that he will take pity on her and come back.

And because she's not accepting that it's finished she's not yet ready to start getting over it.

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CarterBeatsTheDevil · 27/01/2025 16:59

Errors · 27/01/2025 16:47

I think that comment was made by someone with a decent sense of self-worth actually

OP, I think you need to try and advise your friend to find a healthier way of dealing with it all. I get it’s draining for you, really I do - but it can’t be helping her either.

If you're saying that having self-worth means you don't pine, I'm not sure I agree. When you love someone and think that they're loving and caring and decent and love you too, and then they tell you that they don't love you and generally behave in a way that shows them to be the complete opposite, you're going to experience a sense of bereavement and mourning and you'll miss the person you thought you had. That doesn't mean you don't have self-worth.

I do agree, though, that OP's friend seems a bit stuck and possibly past what most people would consider a tolerable level of grief at this point.