Page 18 | To think eventually, UK could become a part of the USA?

CyanSeal · 2025-01-27T12:20:27+00:00

Depending on how Trump gets on … he doesn’t seem shy about taking over other countries. On paper it would make sense globally for the UK and the USA to become one … USA, Canada,UK - what a superpower that would be. on top of this, there is a hell of a lot of UK support for Trump, I don’t even think the British would object to a takeover on the whole Seems far fetched I know - but less far fetched that it did a few years ago

PrimitivePerson · 27/01/2025 14:12

What on earth are you smoking?

Warmhandscoldheart · 27/01/2025 14:12

😂😂😂

pointythings · 27/01/2025 14:10

Adamante · 27/01/2025 14:06

Can’t you read? I don’t have one! 😁

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You said you meet a lot of people through work. So what makes you think other people don't do the same but see a very different picture? You're basically saying your personal experience is more statistically significant than anyone else's, and that if we disagree with you, we're in an echo chamber. Where is your evidence to support that contention?

Goldenbear · 27/01/2025 14:10

Adamante · 27/01/2025 14:06

Yet here you are getting worked up about and sneering at them 😁

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I note you didn't reply to my question about the far left Royalists!😂

thepariscrimefiles · 27/01/2025 14:10

Adamante · 27/01/2025 12:54

Go and have a look if you’re interested 😊

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Oh God, you're one of those. Refer to the changes that Trump has made that everyone would want over here and then refuse to tell people what they are. I know he promised to bring down grocery prices on day 1 but is now back-tracking and saying that it would be 'a very hard task'.

There's a lot of love for Trump on Mumsnet and Twitter and far right echo chambers right now but most normal people don't want an adjudicated sex offender and convicted criminal to be the leader of the UK.

HappyNewFeckingYear · 27/01/2025 14:09

Adamante · 27/01/2025 14:05

As for the UK, no we don't want you. We're trying to reduce our commitments to Europe, not increase them. Europeans have never played well in the sandbox together and the vast majority of Americans are beyond tired of being pulled into your conflicts. Just no.

So you think Trump is looking to dump his convenient, easily defended, Island airfield, which is the perfect re-supply point before his military hit mainland Europe, ME, Asia? Good to know.

The same facilities are available on the Iberian Peninsula, with better weather.

The UK is not as exceptional as it thinks.

LifeExperience · 27/01/2025 14:09

SinnerBoy · 27/01/2025 13:15

LifeExperience · Today 12:58

...but we'll get Greenland, probably as a territory. Greenland's leadership has already signaled that they are open to it. Denmark can sputter

Absolute fucking mince on toast. The Greenland PM said they want independence from Denmark and certainly not to be reconolised by America.

Yes, they want independence from Denmark. We don't want their oil. They have a ban on drilling that would probably stay in place. We already have the most proven oil reserves in the world and are the world's largest oil producer and the largest natural gas producer.

What we want is their strategic location. The US already has several territories and they get a sweet deal--full citizenship without any taxes. A similar deal will likely be made with the Greenlanders.

Goldenbear · 27/01/2025 14:08

Adamante · 27/01/2025 14:06

Yet here you are getting worked up about and sneering at them 😁

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Yes, I'm hoping MNHQ will take note and change the tone as the fascist vibe is all wrong!

Ddndka · 27/01/2025 14:08

Would the drinking age rise to 21?

Yesiknowdear · 27/01/2025 14:06

FuckOffCleanShirt · 27/01/2025 12:27

Are you on glue?

What I came here to ask..

Adamante · 27/01/2025 14:06

Goldenbear · 27/01/2025 14:05

Yes, it is low brow content currently and pretty dull to boot!

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Yet here you are getting worked up about and sneering at them 😁

Adamante · 27/01/2025 14:06

pointythings · 27/01/2025 14:01

What makes you think your social circle is more representative than anyone else's? Because I see no reason to think it is.

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Can’t you read? I don’t have one! 😁

Goldenbear · 27/01/2025 14:05

BoldRed · 27/01/2025 14:02

Wtf is going on with mn? These threads get more and more stupid. Makes the site look absolutely idiotic.

Yes, it is low brow content currently and pretty dull to boot!

Adamante · 27/01/2025 14:05

As for the UK, no we don't want you. We're trying to reduce our commitments to Europe, not increase them. Europeans have never played well in the sandbox together and the vast majority of Americans are beyond tired of being pulled into your conflicts. Just no.

So you think Trump is looking to dump his convenient, easily defended, Island airfield, which is the perfect re-supply point before his military hit mainland Europe, ME, Asia? Good to know.

Goldenbear · 27/01/2025 14:03

Adamante · 27/01/2025 14:01

There are too many and I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that certain types of posters who ask you to clarify exactly which changes, will agree with not even the tiniest aspect of any of them and aren’t looking to be informed, only to rip apart, no matter in what good faith I provide them. So what is in it for me to specify? A day of arguing back and forth with snarky, politically biased, far left, bad faith MNetters? Thanks but I think I’ll pass 😁

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You think someone arguing against the notion of the UK becoming a U.S. state is, 'far left'? What about Royalists, are they far left!

BoldRed · 27/01/2025 14:02

Wtf is going on with mn? These threads get more and more stupid. Makes the site look absolutely idiotic.

Adamante · 27/01/2025 14:02

nouveaunomduplume · 27/01/2025 14:00

A serious argument can be made that the UK is already a vassal state of the US. They don't need to bother invading because our government generally does what it's told.

The US needs outposts for its armed services to be able to project its power further. The UK is one such outpost. The Chagos archipelago is another. This is one reason the Yanks are so pissed off about the Chagos deal.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Vassal-State-America-Runs-Britain/dp/1800753888

Indeed. Note the softened language being used now that Trump is in the hot seat. Makes me 😁

Willyoujustbequiet · 27/01/2025 14:01

LifeExperience · 27/01/2025 12:58

American here. It's only been 6 days. He's serious about Greenland for strategic reasons. Eastern Canada will do if we can't get Greenland, but we'll get Greenland, probably as a territory. Greenland's leadership has already signaled that they are open to it. Denmark can sputter and gasp and issue sternly worded letters all it wants. It has to do with building an "iron dome" type of missile defense system over the US, which is in the planning stages.

As for the UK, no we don't want you. We're trying to reduce our commitments to Europe, not increase them. Europeans have never played well in the sandbox together and the vast majority of Americans are beyond tired of being pulled into your conflicts. Just no.

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I'm not sure you realise how utterly ridiculous comments like this sound to the rest of the world.

Greenland is not yours to take but that aside Canada is a sovereign country and a founding member of Nato. Article 5 states that an attack on Canada would be viewed as an attack on the NATO alliance and all members would defend Canada.

I mean we all knowTrump is not the sharpest tool in the box but not even he is that stupid.

Iloveyoubut · 27/01/2025 14:01

FuckOffCleanShirt · 27/01/2025 12:27

Are you on glue?

I love your brilliant, well thought out and nuanced reply!

pointythings · 27/01/2025 14:01

Adamante · 27/01/2025 13:49

Please stop referring to my social circle in that snarky way because it implies that I am existing in this isolated little RL RW echo chamber of like minded, enforcing friends, and thus my opinions cannot hold much value. I don’t really have a “social circle” for various reasons but I do come across many people in the course of my job and part of it is building friendly and comfortable relationships with people so they’ll trust me and accept my help/services, and that is where I am getting my information from 😊. Thanks.

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What makes you think your social circle is more representative than anyone else's? Because I see no reason to think it is.

Adamante · 27/01/2025 14:01

SquirrelMadness · 27/01/2025 13:50

How can anyone have a look at which changes your acquaintances want to see?

You said lots of people you know want to see the changes in the US trickling over here. How can we possibly go and have a look at which changes the people you know mean?

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There are too many and I have absolutely no doubt whatsoever that certain types of posters who ask you to clarify exactly which changes, will agree with not even the tiniest aspect of any of them and aren’t looking to be informed, only to rip apart, no matter in what good faith I provide them. So what is in it for me to specify? A day of arguing back and forth with snarky, politically biased, far left, bad faith MNetters? Thanks but I think I’ll pass 😁

HappyNewFeckingYear · 27/01/2025 14:00

Allswellthatendswelll · 27/01/2025 13:55

OK I'm completely fascinated by how people think this might happen? Like what is the mechanism here? Amphibious landing?

Tariffs.
Political persuasion by a populist leader.
Othering of the rising empire, we don't want those pesky commie Chinese taking over.

I don't think it would be too difficult. I also don't think Trump would do it.

I don't think Trump would want to support our defence bill, because ultimately, we are quite replaceable.

nouveaunomduplume · 27/01/2025 14:00

A serious argument can be made that the UK is already a vassal state of the US. They don't need to bother invading because our government generally does what it's told.

The US needs outposts for its armed services to be able to project its power further. The UK is one such outpost. The Chagos archipelago is another. This is one reason the Yanks are so pissed off about the Chagos deal.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Vassal-State-America-Runs-Britain/dp/1800753888

Amazon.co.uk

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Vassal-State-America-Runs-Britain/dp/1800753888?tag=mumsnet&ascsubtag=mnforum-am-i-being-unreasonable-5261727-to-think-eventually-uk-could-become-a-part-of-the-usa

Floralnomad · 27/01/2025 13:59

Don’t be so ridiculous .

Goldenbear · 27/01/2025 13:59

LifeExperience · 27/01/2025 13:41

Putin would get you first. Do you really think Trump cares if Putin has you? No, he doesn't. Maybe you need to provide for your own defense so nobody takes you over? Just a crazy thought.

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It's ashame about the 'special relationship' though isn't it. I thought Trump would want the kind of SR that Reagan had with Thatcher.