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To think that wolf whistling wasn't such a bad thing?

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NovemberMorn · 26/01/2025 13:41

Joanna Lumley has just given an interview in which she says..."I never minded wolf whistling, I always thought it was tremendous".

She also said... "I think we were a little bit tougher then. Somebody put their hand on your leg, you didn’t feel affronted and report it. You’d give them a slap.”

Do you think she is right?

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meh2025 · 29/01/2025 13:44

NovemberMorn · 29/01/2025 13:43

No mention of CHILDREN, but by all means read through every post I have made to double check.

Apart from repeating yourself throughout the thread, seldom answering direct questions, you are now resorting to blatantly lying.😒

Definite mention of GIRLS who are in fact children.

Yes, I tend to check the word of people who are blatantly lying. If that upsets you, maybe don't lie.

NovemberMorn · 29/01/2025 13:43

meh2025 · 29/01/2025 13:27

Nah. Completely factual based on your original post and your subsequent words.

"think we were a little bit tougher then. Somebody put their hand on your leg, you didn’t feel affronted and report it. You’d give them a slap.” quoting ms Lumley.

And from you: :I agree with you ...and Joanna too."

And from you: "I personally think some women overact. A wolf whistle never harmed anyone, unless the bloke whistling was so distracted he fell of the ladder."

And from you: "As has been said...women and girls handled themselves back then. I never saw myself as a victim even though I grew up in that era."

And from you: "You can call it victim blaming if you like, I see it more as educating women to look after themselves...
I am talking of women being street smart enough to NOT get the vapours if a man dare look at them in an appreciative way, or God forbid....actually whistle.😁

And that's only on page one of your responses.

No need to blatantly lie.

No mention of CHILDREN, but by all means read through every post I have made to double check.

Apart from repeating yourself throughout the thread, seldom answering direct questions, you are now resorting to blatantly lying.😒

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stonefall101 · 29/01/2025 13:43

meh2025 · 29/01/2025 13:27

Nah. Completely factual based on your original post and your subsequent words.

"think we were a little bit tougher then. Somebody put their hand on your leg, you didn’t feel affronted and report it. You’d give them a slap.” quoting ms Lumley.

And from you: :I agree with you ...and Joanna too."

And from you: "I personally think some women overact. A wolf whistle never harmed anyone, unless the bloke whistling was so distracted he fell of the ladder."

And from you: "As has been said...women and girls handled themselves back then. I never saw myself as a victim even though I grew up in that era."

And from you: "You can call it victim blaming if you like, I see it more as educating women to look after themselves...
I am talking of women being street smart enough to NOT get the vapours if a man dare look at them in an appreciative way, or God forbid....actually whistle.😁

And that's only on page one of your responses.

No need to blatantly lie.

@NovemberMorn

That’s a whole heap of victim blaming there!

aliceinawonderland · 29/01/2025 13:43

I want you to retract your comment that I am excusing men who harass children

Then I'll leave

aliceinawonderland · 29/01/2025 13:41

Nonaynevernomore you asked

so again I’ll ask, how do they ID these 18 year old? Passport? Driving license?
Yeah, they don’t! They’ve no idea how old they are.

aliceinawonderland · Yesterday 13:46

City of london
all office blocks ( some under construction hence builders) and no schools in vicinity
women in power suits carrying briefcases
get the scene?

Nonaynevernomore
oh I see no children around for them to street harass, so they didn’t!
Slow hand clap for them….. aren’t they just great.
But you keep trying to say they did it as a choice.

They street harassed what was available to them ……
You’ve really not proved a point here at all!

Basically you are putting your own words into my mouth!!
Beggars belief

Nonaynevernomore · 29/01/2025 13:38

aliceinawonderland · 29/01/2025 13:30

I ABSOLUTELY did not.

Other PPs suggested that I didn't know these men weren't wolf whistling children and I said that I absolutely knew because there were no children around. FACT.

It was OTHER posters who implied that if there had been children around then they would have targeted them.
Query on what basis they came to this assumption...let's hope they never have to serve on a jury!

PLUS I have NEVER discredited those who had other experiences

However I will NOT be told what happened to me. And I have never seen men wolf whistling children. I don't deny it happened, but I'm not going to say that I've witnessed it when I haven't

You’re defending men who street harass, your logic is flawed by saying they don’t do it to children. They do and have and that’s been proved. You’re defending them is reprehensible. In one situation, unless you live, work, socialise in the city also, because children weren’t available, they picked on what was. You stated that you’d never known it? Like another poster, how do they know a women is aged over 18 or if they do, how do they know she is likely to be one of the very few who accepted this sexism and misogyny? They didn’t, so they just did it anyway!

Mind you, you also said you were leaving this thread a few days ago, that hasn’t happened either!

stonefall101 · 29/01/2025 13:32

fairycakes1234 · 29/01/2025 12:47

Because you're like a broken record saying the same thing over and over so all I can do is laugh 😘 don't engage with me anymore if you don't mind, just use the cut and paste from your other posts, save you typing same thing over and over xx

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You engaged with her with your Laughing emoji didn’t you?

NovemberMorn · 29/01/2025 13:31

PinkArt · 29/01/2025 01:37

OP I've pretty much just read your comments, rather than the full thread, but where have you got the idea that wolf whistling or cat calling is a problem of the past? It's sadly not in my experience.
I don't know if I pity women who like that objectification from men, or if I'm embarrassed for them. Perhaps I'm mostly a bit angry that their acceptance and enjoyment of such shit behaviour from men makes life crappier for the rest of us.

No doubt some still do it, I suspect a minority, because as I repeatedly have said..'times have changed'.
I have also said my son worked on building sites between education, and the workers certainly didn't wolf whistle, his attitude was it was ridiculous, and I'm sure if they had they would have been reprimanded.

No doubt sites differ, as do areas, but the overall feeling on this thread is wolf whistling and cat calling is certainly a dying 'habit'..(insert whichever word you think fit)

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aliceinawonderland · 29/01/2025 13:30

Nonaynevernomore · 29/01/2025 13:19

But you actually tried to defend these men, who apparently you never heard street harassing children, by saying they didn’t have the opportunity too as none were available to street harass, because no children were around. You know in your “get the scene” post, You actually sounded like they were choosing not too, whilst saying they just couldn’t.

Why are you going so far to discredit people who have said that these men are indiscriminate in their street harassment? Not that they should ever have been street harassing anyone. I mean who the bloody hell do they think they are.

I ABSOLUTELY did not.

Other PPs suggested that I didn't know these men weren't wolf whistling children and I said that I absolutely knew because there were no children around. FACT.

It was OTHER posters who implied that if there had been children around then they would have targeted them.
Query on what basis they came to this assumption...let's hope they never have to serve on a jury!

PLUS I have NEVER discredited those who had other experiences

However I will NOT be told what happened to me. And I have never seen men wolf whistling children. I don't deny it happened, but I'm not going to say that I've witnessed it when I haven't

meh2025 · 29/01/2025 13:27

NovemberMorn · 29/01/2025 13:20

Now you are blatantly lying.
You have written... OP asked if street harassment is fine and implied women and children who loathe it are weak.

I have sympathised with women who were/are affected by wolf whistling, but more importantly, please point out where I have ever mentioned children being weak.

Nah. Completely factual based on your original post and your subsequent words.

"think we were a little bit tougher then. Somebody put their hand on your leg, you didn’t feel affronted and report it. You’d give them a slap.” quoting ms Lumley.

And from you: :I agree with you ...and Joanna too."

And from you: "I personally think some women overact. A wolf whistle never harmed anyone, unless the bloke whistling was so distracted he fell of the ladder."

And from you: "As has been said...women and girls handled themselves back then. I never saw myself as a victim even though I grew up in that era."

And from you: "You can call it victim blaming if you like, I see it more as educating women to look after themselves...
I am talking of women being street smart enough to NOT get the vapours if a man dare look at them in an appreciative way, or God forbid....actually whistle.😁

And that's only on page one of your responses.

No need to blatantly lie.

5128gap · 29/01/2025 13:26

NovemberMorn · 29/01/2025 13:20

Now you are blatantly lying.
You have written... OP asked if street harassment is fine and implied women and children who loathe it are weak.

I have sympathised with women who were/are affected by wolf whistling, but more importantly, please point out where I have ever mentioned children being weak.

You quoted JL saying that women were 'tougher' back then, which obviously means she thinks women are less tough now. JL thinks wolf whistling is harmless and unwanted touch from men can be dealt with by a slap round the face. You asked if people agreed. You have argued with people who disagreed, giving an overall impression your views align with JLs. So, do they? Do you think JL is right?

NovemberMorn · 29/01/2025 13:20

meh2025 · 29/01/2025 12:15

Nothing you have said is relevant to anything I said. I am not a feminist and couldn't care less if you call yourself a feminist.

As I have stated clearly and repeatedly, the OP asked if street harassment is fine and implied women and children who loathe it are weak.

The response overwhelmingly is nope street harassment is disgusting and we are not weak for thinking so.

Naturally I will not allow anyone to minimise and dimiss the genuine distress street harassment has caused many thousands of women and children.

As I clearly stated there were women "who spent a lot of energy trying to minimise how frightening and digusting predatory male behaviour is for so many of us. There were women who tried to stop the Suffragettes gaining the vote, after all."

If you are not spending a lot of energy trying to minimise how frightening and disgusting predatory male behaviour is for all of us you were very clearly ot being discussed in the same context as women who tried to stop the Suffragettes getting the vote.

So if you are not spending a lot of energy trying to minimise how frightening and disgusting predatory male behaviour is for all of us you can just move on and allow other women to discuss their experiences, and continue to enjoy strange men making weird noises at you, or ignoring it, or whatever.

Now you are blatantly lying.
You have written... OP asked if street harassment is fine and implied women and children who loathe it are weak.

I have sympathised with women who were/are affected by wolf whistling, but more importantly, please point out where I have ever mentioned children being weak.

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GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 29/01/2025 13:19

usernother · 26/01/2025 14:03

It never bothered me.

Me neither - I’m talking a very long time ago, though.
One thing I doubt would happen nowadays, was a university lecturer (young, evidently fancied himself rotten) at my very first tutorial very many years ago, saying, ‘Your essay was fine, I’ve given you a B. Now, how’s your sex life?’

If that ever happened now, I dare say the student would tell him to mind his own fucking business! And that she’d report him.

OTOH brought up to be so polite, I just said, ‘Fine, thank you.’ 😩

Nonaynevernomore · 29/01/2025 13:19

aliceinawonderland · 29/01/2025 11:30

But arguably the nasty tactics come from those who can't accept that some of us didn't really give it a moment's thought.
We don't deny that their experiences sound absolutely horrendous. Of course asking a 12 year old to spread their legs is absolutely vile as well as criminal.
However they cannot accept that this didn't happen to us. We are talking about the odd whistle but followed by a "mornin darlin" . This was not harrassment and was just a bit of banter.
What I object to is that some people on this thread are being really quite offensive, implying that we lack self esteem, enjoy having strangers make "weird noises" to us and now, that we would be anti suffrage (wtf)
When I pointed out that I knew that the builders were not whistling children (due to the location) they turned it on its head and said that it was only due to lack of opportunity. That's a vile accusation to make!
They just cannot bear someone having a different experience from them and yes, their sometimes vicious and always snidey comments are a form of bullying/online aggression.

But you actually tried to defend these men, who apparently you never heard street harassing children, by saying they didn’t have the opportunity too as none were available to street harass, because no children were around. You know in your “get the scene” post, You actually sounded like they were choosing not too, whilst saying they just couldn’t.

Why are you going so far to discredit people who have said that these men are indiscriminate in their street harassment? Not that they should ever have been street harassing anyone. I mean who the bloody hell do they think they are.

meh2025 · 29/01/2025 13:09

fairycakes1234 · 29/01/2025 13:07

I like having the last word😘

Well, if you have anything relevant to add, feel free to do so. 😘

fairycakes1234 · 29/01/2025 13:07

I like having the last word😘

meh2025 · 29/01/2025 13:05

fairycakes1234 · 29/01/2025 13:04

Ah, im glad to see you now have copied the laughing emoji onto my post, it's a great little tool isn't it😘

Didn't you say you were going to stop engaging with me?

No problem if you want to keep responding but it doesn't seem you have anything to add? 😘

fairycakes1234 · 29/01/2025 13:04

Ah, im glad to see you now have copied the laughing emoji onto my post, it's a great little tool isn't it😘

meh2025 · 29/01/2025 12:48

fairycakes1234 · 29/01/2025 12:47

Because you're like a broken record saying the same thing over and over so all I can do is laugh 😘 don't engage with me anymore if you don't mind, just use the cut and paste from your other posts, save you typing same thing over and over xx

Edited

Ah, so it was the second - no adequate response.

Good to know, and good to know you will stop engaging with me now 😘

fairycakes1234 · 29/01/2025 12:47

meh2025 · 29/01/2025 12:41

Cheers for the laugh react fairycakes, not sure if you think it's funny that women and children have had distressing and disgusting experiences, or that you find it funny that you don't have an adequate response, but thanks anyway. 😆

Because you're like a broken record saying the same thing over and over so all I can do is laugh 😘 don't engage with me anymore if you don't mind, just use the cut and paste from your other posts, save you typing same thing over and over xx

meh2025 · 29/01/2025 12:41

meh2025 · 29/01/2025 12:38

I haven't seen anyone call anyone names for enjoying or being uncaring about strange men making weird noises at you.

I haven't seen anybody trying to change your mind.

I have seen plenty of women saying they had extremely distressing experiences who absolutely refuse to have that minimised and I have seen the majority reply to the OPs question with a resounding NO, street harassment was not ok and no we are not weak for loathing it.

Feel free to carry on enjoying strange men making weird noises at you, or the memory of it, or not caring about it or whatever.

Meanwhile, the women who were asked if they find street harassment ok and have overwhelmingly responded no they didn't can continue to keep supporting one another for their upsetting experiences.

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Cheers for the laugh react fairycakes, not sure if you think it's funny that women and children have had distressing and disgusting experiences, or that you find it funny that you don't have an adequate response, but thanks anyway. 😆

meh2025 · 29/01/2025 12:39

dairydebris · 29/01/2025 12:22

OK, really aggressive response there so I guess you're not interested in discussing further. Ok.

No, it was in no way an aggressive response, but as there is nothing further to discuss because I covered everything, all good.

meh2025 · 29/01/2025 12:38

fairycakes1234 · 29/01/2025 12:26

I don't remember anyone saying they enjoyed it barr one or two, the rest, like myself didn't give it a minutes thought, we didnt experience any of what some of you did and yet we are being called sad etc, you simply can't change our mind on something we experienced, I'm speaking from my experience, regarding do I think it should continue now, obviously no, but didn't bother myself or my friends back in the day, sorry if you don't want to hear that. My daughter has to walk past an ipas centre on the way to school and lots of males 18 onwards hanging around outside and calling her out, she can't understand what they're saying but herself and her friends are very uncomfortable and now walk a different way, there was a meeting in the school to discuss this and they were told to take the long way around to the school, dont think school will take it any furthet, fear of being called racist but yes it's more frightening now when when i was a teenager in Dublin but you probably don't want to hear that.

I haven't seen anyone call anyone names for enjoying or being uncaring about strange men making weird noises at you.

I haven't seen anybody trying to change your mind.

I have seen plenty of women saying they had extremely distressing experiences who absolutely refuse to have that minimised and I have seen the majority reply to the OPs question with a resounding NO, street harassment was not ok and no we are not weak for loathing it.

Feel free to carry on enjoying strange men making weird noises at you, or the memory of it, or not caring about it or whatever.

Meanwhile, the women who were asked if they find street harassment ok and have overwhelmingly responded no they didn't can continue to keep supporting one another for their upsetting experiences.

fairycakes1234 · 29/01/2025 12:26

I don't remember anyone saying they enjoyed it barr one or two, the rest, like myself didn't give it a minutes thought, we didnt experience any of what some of you did and yet we are being called sad etc, you simply can't change our mind on something we experienced, I'm speaking from my experience, regarding do I think it should continue now, obviously no, but didn't bother myself or my friends back in the day, sorry if you don't want to hear that. My daughter has to walk past an ipas centre on the way to school and lots of males 18 onwards hanging around outside and calling her out, she can't understand what they're saying but herself and her friends are very uncomfortable and now walk a different way, there was a meeting in the school to discuss this and they were told to take the long way around to the school, dont think school will take it any furthet, fear of being called racist but yes it's more frightening now when when i was a teenager in Dublin but you probably don't want to hear that.

dairydebris · 29/01/2025 12:22

meh2025 · 29/01/2025 12:15

Nothing you have said is relevant to anything I said. I am not a feminist and couldn't care less if you call yourself a feminist.

As I have stated clearly and repeatedly, the OP asked if street harassment is fine and implied women and children who loathe it are weak.

The response overwhelmingly is nope street harassment is disgusting and we are not weak for thinking so.

Naturally I will not allow anyone to minimise and dimiss the genuine distress street harassment has caused many thousands of women and children.

As I clearly stated there were women "who spent a lot of energy trying to minimise how frightening and digusting predatory male behaviour is for so many of us. There were women who tried to stop the Suffragettes gaining the vote, after all."

If you are not spending a lot of energy trying to minimise how frightening and disgusting predatory male behaviour is for all of us you were very clearly ot being discussed in the same context as women who tried to stop the Suffragettes getting the vote.

So if you are not spending a lot of energy trying to minimise how frightening and disgusting predatory male behaviour is for all of us you can just move on and allow other women to discuss their experiences, and continue to enjoy strange men making weird noises at you, or ignoring it, or whatever.

OK, really aggressive response there so I guess you're not interested in discussing further. Ok.

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