To think that wolf whistling wasn't such a bad thing?

No i didn't say that. Men of all ages do it, in fact in my experience it's older mem that are more likely to ww.. I'm not talking about bowing down to anyone. I'm just asking why people are unable to accept that women are allowed to have different opinions and experiences? The response to that is shouting down posters they don't agree with whilst ranting about children being targeted that many people have never witnessed.

This started as a women who complained were not tough enough! Are we all to bow down to that then?

Were you the poster who said it was only men on their 20s that did it? Can you prove that?

You are right.
The discussion has got out of hand, changing words to suit their own agenda, trying (and failing) to browbeat others with a different opinion.
Sad, because before the harridans got too excited, it was interesting.

Let them get on with it...there are now more interesting threads to join. x

Nah. Completely factual based on your original post and your subsequent words.

"think we were a little bit tougher then. Somebody put their hand on your leg, you didn’t feel affronted and report it. You’d give them a slap.” quoting ms Lumley.

And from you: :I agree with you ...and Joanna too."

And from you: "I personally think some women overact. A wolf whistle never harmed anyone, unless the bloke whistling was so distracted he fell of the ladder."

And from you: "As has been said...women and girls handled themselves back then. I never saw myself as a victim even though I grew up in that era."

And from you: "You can call it victim blaming if you like, I see it more as educating women to look after themselves...
I am talking of women being street smart enough to NOT get the vapours if a man dare look at them in an appreciative way, or God forbid....actually whistle.😁

And that's only on page one of your responses.

No need to blatantly lie.

Basically, Op it's turned into a pile on against the people who didn't mind the occasional ww and have also never witnessed children being targeted, but these posters with there constant reference to, "street harassment" claim it is true. They then say they have proof. They don't because where is the proof? We believe them anyway but in return they call women who didn't mind the ww's, weak with low seld esteem and resort to saying that they weren't as great as they think they were! I would give up Op, I am too as these vitriolic, angry, angry posters cannot and will not accept that other people have experiences that don't mirror theirs .

Basically, Op it's turned into a pile on against the people who didn't mind the occasional ww and have also never witnessed children being targeted, but these posters with there constant reference to, "street harassment" claim it is true. They then say they have proof. They don't because where is the proof? We believe them anyway but in return they call women who didn't mind the ww's, weak with low seld esteem and resort to saying that they weren't as great as they think they were! I would give up Op, I am too as these vitriolic, angry, angry posters cannot and will not accept that other people have experiences that don't mirror theirs .

It has never crossed my mind that it would be right for children to be subjected to harassment in the street.
The word 'girls' is often used to describe young women....which is what we were discussing at the time.
Sad that you interpret my meaning as to be such, and deliberately change the word to CHILDREN, to suit your own agenda.
You are obviously desperate to point score, but try not to sink to such depths.

It has never crossed my mind that it would be right for children to be subjected to harassment in the street.
The word 'girls' is often used to describe young women....which is what we were discussing at the time.
Sad that you interpret my meaning as to be such, and deliberately change the word to CHILDREN, to suit your own agenda.
You are obviously desperate to point score, but try not to sink to such depths.

I want you to retract your comment that I am excusing men who harass children

Then I'll leave

In my vocabulary, and in the way it was said... GIRLS are relatively young WOMEN.
I was quoted here as saying CHILDREN....which deliberately puts a completely different slant on what was said.

In my vocabulary, and in the way it was said... GIRLS are relatively young WOMEN.
I was quoted here as saying CHILDREN....which deliberately puts a completely different slant on what was said.

I think PP is making the point that you can't prove these men never harass children when your only experience of them is in an environment where there were no children for them to harass.

And that it's impossible to know the age of every young woman walking by (who are often seen at a distance with their faces turned away) so when they are working on sites where underage girls do walk past, there's a high chance that some of these girls will be on the receiving end of their harassment.

Unless you think 'your' builders only ever worked in environments where every woman was over 18, or where every woman had maturity signifiers such as a briefcase, then you can't possibly say 'your' builders 'never' harassed children. If they are habitual street harassers, the chances of them, even inadvertently to put the best spin on it, targetting an underage woman will be pretty high.

Nonaynevernomore you asked

so again I’ll ask, how do they ID these 18 year old? Passport? Driving license?
Yeah, they don’t! They’ve no idea how old they are.

aliceinawonderland · Yesterday 13:46

City of london
all office blocks ( some under construction hence builders) and no schools in vicinity
women in power suits carrying briefcases
get the scene?

Nonaynevernomore
oh I see no children around for them to street harass, so they didn’t!
Slow hand clap for them….. aren’t they just great.
But you keep trying to say they did it as a choice.

They street harassed what was available to them ……
You’ve really not proved a point here at all!

Basically you are putting your own words into my mouth!!
Beggars belief

Nonaynevernomore you asked

so again I’ll ask, how do they ID these 18 year old? Passport? Driving license?
Yeah, they don’t! They’ve no idea how old they are.

aliceinawonderland · Yesterday 13:46

City of london
all office blocks ( some under construction hence builders) and no schools in vicinity
women in power suits carrying briefcases
get the scene?

Nonaynevernomore
oh I see no children around for them to street harass, so they didn’t!
Slow hand clap for them….. aren’t they just great.
But you keep trying to say they did it as a choice.

They street harassed what was available to them ……
You’ve really not proved a point here at all!

Basically you are putting your own words into my mouth!!
Beggars belief

No mention of CHILDREN, but by all means read through every post I have made to double check.

Apart from repeating yourself throughout the thread, seldom answering direct questions, you are now resorting to blatantly lying.😒

❤

I think a couple of posters are putting their own slant on what people with opposing views have said.
I doubt they will retract what they have said, I have been accused of saying children are weak if they are upset by men cat calling them...an utter lie.

I think my involvement here is finished here too...an interesting thread sullied by people who will say anything to score a point.