To think that wolf whistling wasn't such a bad thing?

its not really relevant what one person thought or thinks about it, or if some people liked it. it’s about what kind of society do we want to live in. Women will never be respected and treated equally if they are seen as pretty objects to be appreciated by men. I can admit that a part of me likes the attention I get when I go out looking nice but I can also recognise that it’s overall not a positive thing for society more broadly. It also makes me reflect on why I like the attention. Is it social conditioning? Or is it more innate than that? I’m not sure.

This thread is one of the most depressing things I have read for a while.
Thinking men whistling at you is a compliment makes you stupid not attractive

I used to like it because I was very much a 'pick me'.

Now I just think that men are exactly the same, except that they pretend to be respectful while being addicted to porn. The thing about being a former 'pick me' is that I know what men are like i.e. most of them, married or not, responded to my ridiculous behaviour.

Any unwanted attention is not alright!
What else do you think should be allowed, OP?
I can't stand these situations.
YABU, big time.

No. She's wrong. There are some women who feel it signals they're attractive to men and tbf, most people if honest would prefer to be attractive than not. However, they are falling to take into account that it doesn't necessarily mean that at all. Men do it for laughs, to impress other men, to relieve boredom, and sometimes to embarass and intimidate, so it matters little whether the woman is attractive to them or not. They are also failing to understand that many women and particularly young girls hate it and are uncomfortable and intimidated. I'm not sure how 'tough' she thinks 13 year old girls in school uniform should be, or why the answer is for women to toughen up so men can have their fun. As for a situation where a sexual assault should be met with a physical assault...well I don't even know where to start with that. Clearly this foolish woman has never encountered a man who would hit her back.

The wolf whistles weren't that bad, they could easily be ignored. It was the other stuff that bothered me. The comments about my body, the following me and not leaving me alone used to scare me. When I was 16 i had to start walking the long way to my best friends house because there was a man who worked in a shop who would spot me every time and chase me down the road begging me to marry him. He must have been in his 30s. I got followed home on multiple occasions by weirdos.
If wolf whistles are acceptable then it just opens the door to all the other stuff.

Is a wolf whistle even a thing these days,it's unwelcome attention for the most part.
Any man releasing his inner Sid James...the 70s want you back mate.

If someone needs to be wolf whistled or groped to help with their self worth then they’re majorly fucked up.

Absolutely hated it
Also when riding, I had a man slow his car and say “ Lucky saddle”- that was to a young teen
I only realised the implications as I got older.

She has a luxury view point, she has always had money and privilege. What is a hotel cleaner supposed to do when the manager who pays her puts his hand on her leg? What is a 15 yo in care to feel when she walks past a group of 50 football fans waiting for a coach and they all cat call and whistle at her? JL is being selfish and unthinking, as rich entitled people tend to be.

So I as a shy 19 year old who was minding her own business was "overreacting" by feeling deep embarrassment and intimidation when groups of builders would whistle and shout as I walked past? That was just absolutely fine for them to do, and the problem was mine?

I would be horrified if my sons behaved like this. None of the decent men I have known, going back decades, would have ever dreamt of being so crass and disrespectful.

As if men haven't felt free to do what they want, when they want, since the dawn of time.

However if the Internet was available during this magical period of time when men merely whistled and complimented women, and if they touched a woman then they would get a smack, I guarantee that porn would have been just as big a problem.

Rape convictions in the 90s were practically non existent, 'lad mags' were everywhere, so were porn magazines, page 3 girls, papers doing countdowns of 15 year old actresses until they day they were legal, even semi naked women on beer cans, marital rape being absolutely fine (and not recognised as rape), sexual harrassment at work being absolutely fine.... I could go on and on.

You're deluded if you think, had the technology been available then, that porn wouldn't have been an even bigger issue.

Men thinking they can do what the fuck they want starts with them testing boundries of what's acceptable, which starts with 'innocent' things like objectifying women by whistling at them.

You linked groping in with wolf whistling

Wolf whistling was always irritating and designed to annoy and embarrass women. It was never a compliment.

I like Joanna ,but sometimes I think she is a little stuck in the past with rosy covered glasses! Its so "lovely" to be embarassed when going to work! Years ago my Nans friend was pregnant, and she crossed the street to avoid workmen. and fell over in a hole on the other side .lost her baby! Recently I was cheered by a sign on the building site, saying that inappropriate behaviour would not be tolerated ,and result in instant dismissal from the site !

No, I won't stop calling out misogyny and dick pandering.

The 1970s is a bygone era and the attitudes that prevailed then belong there .. firmly in the past.
Men that shout obscenities at girls/women are scum.

Oh ffs stop shaming people for having a thought! You’re just as bad! Women can’t even say or think or feel anything anymore without being shamed and processed and labelled a pick me or a what ever the fuck it is you decide makes them less than YOU today. Just stop! Ffs! Can you not just be you and let other women just be them because this whole pick me shite (and it is shite, it reeeaaallly is shite) is literally turning the pick me call out women into the pick mes! Oh pick me! I know what a pick me is. I hate puck mes. Pick me for hating pick mes! fuck me!!!
See. The. Irony. Honest to fuck, can we just let women be women! Please!! Enough! I will honest die on the hill of this shit! Enough!

Interesting - for me it was just background noise. Not worthy of comment or notice. I think all my friends felt that way too. We just thought they were irrelevant prats.

Another one? IIRC she said it a few years ago as well.

Actually, in RL, JL is quite reserved and modest.