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To think that wolf whistling wasn't such a bad thing?

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NovemberMorn · 26/01/2025 13:41

Joanna Lumley has just given an interview in which she says..."I never minded wolf whistling, I always thought it was tremendous".

She also said... "I think we were a little bit tougher then. Somebody put their hand on your leg, you didn’t feel affronted and report it. You’d give them a slap.”

Do you think she is right?

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PigInAHouse · 26/01/2025 17:00

Oh and I was offended by it back then, nothing to do with ‘nowadays’.

PigInAHouse · 26/01/2025 16:59

aliceinawonderland · 26/01/2025 16:58

I agree OP. It was just a bit of flirtatious fun and they were usually on a roof in broad daylight so never threatening!
Totally different from actual sexual harassment.

Everyone is looking to be offended nowadays but I’m not sure they’re any happier.

Do you think it’s just ‘flirtatious fun’ when it’s aimed at underage girls?

dairydebris · 26/01/2025 16:59

I'm old now, but when I was young I enjoyed it. Made me feel powerful. Never once have I felt threatened by a wolf whistle or cat call. I've generally found the quiet, watchful ones to be more threatening.
Seems I'm in a minority for this. So be it. I don't miss it.
But I do think this constant victimization of ourselves in general makes us believe we are less powerful.
I don't have any problems with self-esteem. I dealt with a few twats in my time, but still believe most men are fundamentally good people just like most women. Humans sometimes find themselves attracted to other humans and it's just a fact of life, wolf whistling always just seemed a part of that to me.
I still feel powerful now, just not through my looks or my sexuality.

aliceinawonderland · 26/01/2025 16:58

NovemberMorn · 26/01/2025 16:53

To whathaveiforgotten,
Yes, especially if the person was young.
Someone asked at what age I would have thought it would be acceptable, obviously for some it would never have been acceptable, and I also accept that.

My stance is, back in the day, it was a regular occurrence, it just didn't bother me, or any other girl/woman I knew, it was on a par with someone saying"All right Love" or "morning darling" as they passed....maybe it was a northern thing too....but I personally never felt threatened by it.

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I agree OP. It was just a bit of flirtatious fun and they were usually on a roof in broad daylight so never threatening!
Totally different from actual sexual harassment.

Everyone is looking to be offended nowadays but I’m not sure they’re any happier.

whathaveiforgotten · 26/01/2025 16:57

Sorry I missed my name being tagged @NovemberMorn

I'm glad you now understand that it was wrong to say that a wolf whistle never harmed anyone. Unsure why you said it in the first place if you do apparently understand that it could harm people but better late than never.

whathaveiforgotten · 26/01/2025 16:56

NovemberMorn · 26/01/2025 16:53

To whathaveiforgotten,
Yes, especially if the person was young.
Someone asked at what age I would have thought it would be acceptable, obviously for some it would never have been acceptable, and I also accept that.

My stance is, back in the day, it was a regular occurrence, it just didn't bother me, or any other girl/woman I knew, it was on a par with someone saying"All right Love" or "morning darling" as they passed....maybe it was a northern thing too....but I personally never felt threatened by it.

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When you say yes, which post are you answering?

stonefall101 · 26/01/2025 16:56

NovemberMorn · 26/01/2025 16:53

To whathaveiforgotten,
Yes, especially if the person was young.
Someone asked at what age I would have thought it would be acceptable, obviously for some it would never have been acceptable, and I also accept that.

My stance is, back in the day, it was a regular occurrence, it just didn't bother me, or any other girl/woman I knew, it was on a par with someone saying"All right Love" or "morning darling" as they passed....maybe it was a northern thing too....but I personally never felt threatened by it.

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Me me me can't think beyond me, myself and I

MereDintofPandiculation · 26/01/2025 16:55

but I personally never felt threatened by it. That's great. You weren't threatened by it. But it was part of a culture that allowed sexual harrassment and abuse, and a lot of women weren't just threatened but actually harmed. But you were OK.

MereDintofPandiculation · 26/01/2025 16:53

As has been said...women and girls handled themselves back then. Only because they knew nobody else cared a damn. That it was acceptable to "try it on" with any female you came across. If a man was sexually harassing his secretaries, the solution was to provide him with older women, not to take it up with the man - how can that be right? The older men who have been outed as serial abusers of women all began their "careers" when "women could handle themselves".

NovemberMorn · 26/01/2025 16:53

To whathaveiforgotten,
Yes, especially if the person was young.
Someone asked at what age I would have thought it would be acceptable, obviously for some it would never have been acceptable, and I also accept that.

My stance is, back in the day, it was a regular occurrence, it just didn't bother me, or any other girl/woman I knew, it was on a par with someone saying"All right Love" or "morning darling" as they passed....maybe it was a northern thing too....but I personally never felt threatened by it.

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stonefall101 · 26/01/2025 16:50

NovemberMorn · 26/01/2025 16:27

I have missed absolutely nothing.
In fact I have answered as many points as I can, going from my own experiences, what I have seen and heard along the way, and also responding to others on this thread....most of the posts being genuine, a couple trying to be smart (failing) but on the whole, thanks for the debate.

The fact that women do know how to handle themselves and the fact they don't want to be wolf whistled at are not mutually exclusive.

Do you honestly think my DD's haven't been harassed by middle aged men and would be firmly in the camp ' don't want wolf whistles' and 'I know how to handle myself'

You come across with absolutely male entitlement and male understanding and that Mr Morn is the crux of this issue.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 26/01/2025 16:49

DinosaurMunch · 26/01/2025 16:41

Not sure if paedophiles or just bullies

Sexual attraction to children = paedophile

ObelixtheGaul · 26/01/2025 16:47

ginasevern · 26/01/2025 16:34

@NovemberMorn

"As has been said...women and girls handled themselves back then."

Women shouldn't have to handle themselves. What a mind numbingly idiotic idea that the onus should be women to physically fight of men who just feel like intimately touching their bodies anytime they please. So by your rationale we should have to slap them around the face? Do you apply the same logic to children who are being bullied? Is the onus on them to find the courage to punch their tormentors. The onus shouldn't be on any victim to defend themselves in any scenario.

Why should women have to live their lives always prepared to kick or slap a man who wants to do what the hell they like? Is that how you want your daughters (if you have any) to live? Apart from the absurdity of your assertion, women aren't always in a position to punch or slap their assailant and it is, in any event, dangerous advice to give anyone. You know this is a misogynistic world, you know women don't get jobs, promotions (or worse) for refusing men's advances. What planet are you actually on? For reference I'm 67 and I've had a fucking life time of being the victim and the observer of predatory male behaviour.

Because everybody was so busy telling the women they needed to handle it, they never thought to spend a bit more time telling the men not to do it in the first place.

Now we are finally looking at doing something about the perpetrators, rather than 'educating' the victims, we might actually start to see change. It will take time, of course, but we would be a lot further down that road now if we'd always treated this as the men being the problem, not the women.

OP hasn't responded to a single one of my posts on this. I am not a 'modern' woman, either, but I am cheering modern women on for not thinking they have to pug up with it/deal with it and it's their problem if they don't like it.

It's not for us to 'toughen up'. We've been 'tough'. It's time for the men to do the work, shoulder the burden, 'handle' their own behaviour.

Smallsalt · 26/01/2025 16:45

ObelixtheGaul · 26/01/2025 14:17

Odd, though, that when men felt free enough to whistle at/compliment a woman, women didn't feel as free to object to it.

If we didn't like it, we put up with it. We didn't actually 'deal with it' at all. We accepted it, resignedly. Because any attempts to actually 'deal with it' made the whole thing worse.

NOW, women are 'dealing with it'. We aren't smiling and waving when that's the last thing we actually WANT to do. We are finally realising we don't have to put up with it.

I never put up with it. They were always told to get fucked.

whathaveiforgotten · 26/01/2025 16:45

@NovemberMorn

A wolf whistle never harmed anyone, unless the bloke whistling was so distracted he fell of the ladder.

Having read posts from me and many many others who explained how upsetting we found it being wolf whistled by adult men as children, can you now acknowledge that on reflection, your statement 'a wolf whistle never harmed anyone' is clearly untrue?

NovemberMorn · 26/01/2025 16:44

ginasevern · 26/01/2025 16:34

@NovemberMorn

"As has been said...women and girls handled themselves back then."

Women shouldn't have to handle themselves. What a mind numbingly idiotic idea that the onus should be women to physically fight of men who just feel like intimately touching their bodies anytime they please. So by your rationale we should have to slap them around the face? Do you apply the same logic to children who are being bullied? Is the onus on them to find the courage to punch their tormentors. The onus shouldn't be on any victim to defend themselves in any scenario.

Why should women have to live their lives always prepared to kick or slap a man who wants to do what the hell they like? Is that how you want your daughters (if you have any) to live? Apart from the absurdity of your assertion, women aren't always in a position to punch or slap their assailant and it is, in any event, dangerous advice to give anyone. You know this is a misogynistic world, you know women don't get jobs, promotions (or worse) for refusing men's advances. What planet are you actually on? For reference I'm 67 and I've had a fucking life time of being the victim and the observer of predatory male behaviour.

Of course women shouldn't have to handle themselves, but if some creep puts their hand on your leg, what would you advise them to do?
Dial 999 and wait for a cop to show up?
In my experience, and it has happened, a slap stopped him in his track, it drew attention to him, and he was ejected from the venue.
My bet is he didn't do it again.

Do you think rallying against someone who supports women standing up for themselves will ever stop creeps taking advantage of vulnerable women...believe me, it won't.

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Upstartled · 26/01/2025 16:44

I found it really intimidating when I was walking home from school alone, and the bloody horn honking. It was awful.

Smallsalt · 26/01/2025 16:43

NovemberMorn · 26/01/2025 14:11

I don't particularly want or need compliments, I just said it doesn't offend me, why would it?

Of you had any self respect being treated like fuck would would offend you.

whathaveiforgotten · 26/01/2025 16:43

@Bbq1

Maybe they ww at a few women that day but I don't think any man wolf whistles indiscriminately at "anyone, even kids"😂

Many of us on this thread have shared stories of being wolf whistled at as children.

Do you think we are all lying?

Or do you see now that plenty of men do whistle at kids?

ginasevern · 26/01/2025 16:42

Bbq1 · 26/01/2025 16:38

Don't know, but I do know I was extremely attractive back in the day and was told so regularly by men and women alike. I didn't think above it that deeply tbh. They saw an attractive woman, wolf whistled, maybe made a comment then passed on. Maybe they ww at a few women that day but I don't think any man wolf whistles indiscriminately at "anyone, even kids"😂

You're flattering yourself love. They wolf whistled at me in my school uniform from the age of 12 and I'm very far from alone. For clarity I was short, dumpy and freckled and clearly a child. It's control and reinforcing their superiority, it's marking their territory. Bascially they jizz in their pants at it.

Smallsalt · 26/01/2025 16:42

NovemberMorn · 26/01/2025 14:10

I didn't say that.
I do think that some men feel so constrained nowadays, they are scared to even look at a woman.

Good

DinosaurMunch · 26/01/2025 16:41

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 26/01/2025 16:21

To add, presumably you've read the thread and have seen posts from many women who were wolf-whistled at as children, in school uniform. Those were paodophiles.

They are the same sort of knuckle-dragging, excuses for men who do this to women - any woman. It really doesn't matter what she looks like, sorry to shatter any illusions here. I'm sure you look great but if you didn't, that sort of man would still harass you. Or your daughter. Or any female in view.

That is what so many of us are disgusted with and that's why we will not put up with wolf-whistling and being subjected to disgusting, lewd comments.

Not sure if paedophiles or just bullies

PigInAHouse · 26/01/2025 16:39

Bbq1 · 26/01/2025 16:38

Don't know, but I do know I was extremely attractive back in the day and was told so regularly by men and women alike. I didn't think above it that deeply tbh. They saw an attractive woman, wolf whistled, maybe made a comment then passed on. Maybe they ww at a few women that day but I don't think any man wolf whistles indiscriminately at "anyone, even kids"😂

I was wolf whistled at a lot as a child.

Smallsalt · 26/01/2025 16:38

RosesAndHellebores · 26/01/2025 13:52

I agree with Joanna Lumley. Women learnt how to handle themselves in a non threatening way. I found it flattering 45 years ago. After two whistles it turned into a cheery wave and a “have a good day darlin”.

Why should women have to “learn" to handle themselves in a particular way in order to go about their daily business?

And to handle themselves in a "non threatening way"........ women walking down the street is threatening? Seriously? WOMEN have to learn not to be threatening towards men who are hassling them?? ? Are you actually real?

How little self respect did you have that you found being shouted at by uneducated apes to be some kids of validation of your attractiveness. Because of course, that's your most important role, to be attractive to strange men. Dear God. It's actually tragic.

Cheery wave and "how are you darlin?" Did they give cheery waves to men going about their day as well?
Fuck sake.