Kemi B just suggested about Southport....

The reality is the system of checks failed at level, repeatedly. People need to be fired over this.

The reality is that the vile party which Badenoch is so proud to lead have underfunded services to the point that they will fail and people will die. Usually by suicide, but sometimes other people, and in this case, the almost unimaginable tragedy of it being small children.

When services are under pressure they retrench and make referral criteria more rigid - its the only way to make sure your service does not collapse. Its a lot easier then to look for scapegoats when the inevitable happens, rather than to look at the systemic failings which go all the way up to the government.

If a child doesn't feel the embrace of their village, they will burn it down to feel its warmth.

I do believe that it has far more to do with the failings of multiculturalism than anything else. We expect the state to perform the functions a cohesive and fully integrated society would. It can't.

He hated women and girls apparently.

I was born here, but I'm not integrated at all because I'm autistic. I live my life on the margins and have absolutely nothing in common with about 95% of the population, plus I can't even communicate effectively with them. I follow all laws though and don't go around murdering people. My children have similar challenges, but they just have to get on with it too.

People who were born here can't access help for themselves or their children. Why do migrants deserve it more than we do? They get enough as far as I can tell. The country now has to cope with thousands of unknowns entering our communities. Who are these people and what are their backgrounds?

Ok, let’s blame integration for Southport, even though he was born here and there is nothing to suggest he hated white people, etc.

What’s Kyle Clifford’s excuse?

What about Jon Venebles and Robert Thompson’s reason?

The Southport Killer was clearly extremely mentally disturbed. People like him have existed all throughout time, and on this occasion, immigration and race has nothing to do with it.

I only agree with her immigration point in so far as we have proved that inspite of cahns, ehcp, police, specialist units and 3 prevent referrals we were unable to reach and stop this boy /man.

So how on earth can we as a society have any hope to track trace help any of the young men coming in on boats by their 1000s from difficult backgrounds?

Why don't politicians get proper briefing on this stuff.
The mn threads on this have been incredibly informative.
It was nothing to do with integration and everything to do with his autism and a lack of service that could tackle his issues.
The services where there but each one proved totally ineffective.

Whatever the failings were, the most striking thing is that they almost all will have happened over the previous years of Tory government. Most likely as a result of spending cuts and austerity. I almost feel sorry for the current opposition as that must be the case for everything they talk about.

The system is a huge factor in not stopping it.

Multiple interactions with the school and police with no further action. Three referals to Prevent.

Failure after failure and now a focus on anything but those failures.

Yes, agreed, but the failings of the system in this case are not necessarily the root. I think it’s fine to talk about what root possibilities there are.

Unless you believe in being born evil AND that nothing can turn you back from that, then at some developmental point in life there is one or multiple malfunctions.

He'd been through the UK education system and even appeared on Dr Who.

The reality is the system of checks failed at level, repeatedly. People need to be fired over this.

It doesn’t matter how much you try and deflect by using individual examples as being unreasonable, the fact is that immigration is out of control. It’s too high and it’s bad for this country.

Trying to piss about around the edges with ‘yeah but, no but’ isn’t going to change the fact that it’s a huge problem.

Now where did Kemi Badenoch spend most of her childhood?