Kemi B just suggested about Southport....

I was working in the third sector when the Tories got in. They almost immediately cut funding by a third.

@maverickfox I know 🙄

@Hotflushesandchilblains "thesis"?

Where are we? A chat forum or university?

If you're interested there have been desperate calls from charities way back in Blair a day saying they used to have, say 10 people a week needing their services and suddenly there are 30 / 40 and they can't cope.

I'm responding to the poster who soley wants to blame the tories.

Under Blair charities and organisations in many parts of the UK were literally inundated with new cases they couldn't support. Swiftly followed by the global credit crisis, austerity

Bugger all ime

What are you talking about? He was born here.

@BoldRed his dad called police because he fought with him and damaged his car.

Ok, @SunshinDay - so your thesis is that there was an influx of people who immigrated, who overwhelmed services, under the Labour government of Blair, and that this is the main problem? Not the austerity ideology, which Cameron himself admitted was driven mainly by philosophy? And that 14 years of right wing, small state focus is less the problem in this case than the failings of professionals? I am trying to understand where you are coming from?

How do you explain that most immigrants are productive, helpful, respectful and valuable members of society? That the NHS and other services would collapse without them?

Generally speaking our deepest instincts/impulses will be to stick with what we know, to stick with the people with whom we have the most in common and who most closely resemble us.
It takes work effort and planning to counteract this, which means that British people also have took overcome their impulses to stick with what they know. In a sense we are all hard wired to reject foreigners to not trust the unfamiliar.
It is better if we can find common ground of course!

@itsnotabouthepasta you could go back further actually and look at how services in many areas were wiped out by the needs of people who came here under the Blair government in 2006. Then the credit crunch hit then austerity and here we are.

Evidence for this claim?

This. This. This.

it happened when Starmer had been PM for what? A week?

anything that happened due to systemic failures were ABSOLUTELY the Tory’s fault. They had been in power since this monster was 3 years old, he spent his entire life under Tory governance,

He did have a lot of white hate material that he sourced online.

From what I’ve read he apparently called childline a few years ago to ask for help as he wanted to kill people, it’s shocking that even when he asked for help himself it wasn’t there. His parents asked
for help multiple times as well and to no avail. I think it’s wrong to link this to ASD though as it’s clearly a failing on the part of many professionals. Much like in the case of Sara Sharif blame was put on home education when in fact there were a series of failings made by professionals.

He was violent towards his father. I wouldn’t be surprised if his parents were scared of him. His brother is doing well at a very good university despite being disabled. The baying for their blood/calling for their deportation makes me sick.

My family is from a Commonwealth country. We're here because the British government asked us to be due to a skills shortage about 60 years ago. My grandad came here to work.

It was always drilled into us that we lived in a Christian country with certain customs. Yes, we could still eat food from our country and celebrate our own religion and festivals, BUT we were also brought up to celebrate Christian festivals as we lived here. Christmas is still the biggest occasion in our family.

My grandad and his family joined the local Working Mens Club and socialised with people from all walks of life, from when they got here to now. They taught us about their cultures and we learnt about theirs.

I was born here, but the attitude of my family and not sticking in close circles was what allowed me to do the same. I got bullied for it in school by the other brown girls btw, because my family didn't come from the same country as them and weren't traditional enough for their liking.

When I go abroad, I look up how to conduct myself in that country, according to their traditions.

It's not racist to expect people to behave like this, but to tar us all with the same brush and talk about "immigrant behaviour" as a collective, absolutely is. The UK ASKED my family to come here because they needed us. We didn't just waltz in because we felt like it, so this "too many immigrants" thing is a product of the UK's own actions. We're not all illegal.

Do you have a link to claims that he wanted a white genocide? I've googled but can't find any reference to this. Only that he was obsessed with genocide in general. I'm not saying you're wrong, I just haven't seen this reported.

@NotinToTintin and what do you think about the men coming here from difficult backgrounds who also may have sen and proclivity to violence who won't be on any services radar

I'm just surprised she's saying a second generation boy with autism is supposed to feel integrated and grateful to be here.

He's uk born but 100th generation people with autism feel isolated and failed by our education system.

I’m sorry for your experiences and wish you could have more support. But you’re wrong if you think that other people - immigrants- are receiving that support. They are categorically not. Unfortunately it’s useful for the politicians who shrunk the level of support available to blame immigrants, who have no political voice or representation, rather than owning up to the situation and/ or doing anything about it

But the funding issue is what drives the gaping hole of what to do.

He was way beyond what CAMHS could do. But even supposing that was not the case, why do you think that the emphasis is on people engaging and coming to appointments? Because years ago, when services were not under such pressure, you could go out, see what was happening and try to engage with and assess your client. More pressure on services = less of this happening. It has not been talked about a lot, but over in Nottingham, the service working with that killer had been told to concentrate on a certain type of work, which meant regular activities were suspended - the ones that may have identified the threat quicker.

But none of that happens for shits and giggles. Managers who tell their team to shift focus are responding to pressure. Which comes because of finances.

As @BourbonsAreOverated said, there used to be a service which would have been perfect for his needs. But it went with austerity.

So, yes, it is all to do with funding in the end.

I'm shocked that Badenoch is trying to appeal to the lowest common denominator. I held her in such high esteem as well.

Whoops

There are clearly colossal problems with the Prevent programme - it's entirely unfit for purpose. That needs to be radically overhauled, asap.

What's happening now, is that these once socially isolated individuals have access to the Internet at a very early age
@Gingernaut
This is a very salient point!!

@infertilitychallenges perhaps but his hyper focus was on violence wasn't it and that could have been prompted by his knowledge of his family history and being bullied.

I thought they had and had asked for help with him, which was not forthcoming. Some people are so disturbed that all you can do is take them off the streets hopefully before they harm anyone. I don't think in this case it's anything to do with immigration. His parents had, as far as I've read, integrated. They were Christian. Is Kemi Badenoch saying that if her British born children , God forbid, grew up to do something awful, they should be deported to Nigeria? What does she mean by ' all options?