Kemi B just suggested about Southport....

Who did? And what did they say?

They talked about this on Laura kunsberg this morning.

Really.

So anyone who's on the AS is likely to behave like this?
Create Ricin to kill people. Hate people. Plan murders, etc etc.
Follow instructions on social media on how to kill people.

Did you read about what was found in his room?
It can't all be explained by autism.

Let’s stop with the cover-up bollocks. There will be a public inquiry.

That is absolute bollocks, the boy who committed the crime was not an immigrant and his family was well integrated into their local community, it was a terrible shock to all who knew him and his family.

This woman seems totally out of touch. However, what is new about that when it comes to politicians? If she has been quoted correctly of course, not out of context which we all know happens in the media.

Well, it’s a separate point to whether or not immigrants are getting “too many” resources isn’t it?

I don’t think there’s enough support for people with mental health conditions or SEN in this country, full stop. Blaming immigrants with mental health problems for that isn’t going to make it any better. They’re also not getting any help.

Austerity was a political decision made by politicians not by immigrants. I work in the public sector and I’m not being over the top when I say that austerity has killed people. Either directly through lack of support for individuals, or indirectly by the impact that lack of support has on people’s networks.

your implicit question is - given the scarcity of our resources, should we allow immigrants into our country? And unfortunately I think the answer to that is that we don’t have much choice. People move countries for global reasons that are beyond our control. No one is coming here for a free ride because - as you rightly point out- there is nothing free for them to get. They are coming here because it’s marginally less awful than the alternative of war/ climate disaster/ slavery.

I think we need to put more resources into supporting everyone. Internationally, I think we need to figure out how to deal with mass immigration to Europe - it is going to keep happening, and we can either 1) accept this reality and develop ways and means to deal with on our terms or 2) pretend it isnt happening and stoke hatred and conflict between people until it becomes violent.

The Southport killer was not an immigrant who had recently arrived from another country. He was a product of the uk education and welfare systems under austerity measures. The riots that happened this summer were not caused by immigrants, either, but by British people and by politicians who would rather incite violence than tackle the situation.

I’m not surprised his dad didn’t call the police that day. What was the point? They’d tried it four times before. There’s no evidence that his dad knew exactly what he was planning or that he had a knife.

What was covered up?

What reprisals do you think would have happened if people knew about the police knowledge, the referrals, social services, CAMHS etc

She’s a politician. She’ll twist any situation to fit what she wants to say. It’s what they all do, irrespective of party. I don’t think any of them are capable of seeing a tragedy and not twisting it round to suit their narrative.

Blue the dad didn't ring the police on the last attempt to go to the school.

You do not understand how any of these services actually work, clearly.

Well he didn't really access them. A few referrals here and there and received some minimal input before the case came to a close. It just shows that the mental health services in this county is shit. Plus the threshold to access support is so high. Sad all around.

Add youth justice services for young offenders and more agencies on top.

His parents knew what he was capable
Of and rang the police on him numerous times, well his dad did, the police knew of his issues so for me the blame starts here .. why was more not done ?
He had previously looked to book a taxi to a school on the last day of term to do something thing similar , his father rang the police and he was stopped, so much info has been covered up to protect this person why ? Fear of reprisals.
Looking at the facts and what was covered up, what happened in Southport could have been stopped, too many failings by people who could have done more, it's truly shocking.

This is exactly the sort of non-response that results from a chronic lack of funding in the harm prevention services.

Cloak he had an ehcp, cahms, police, prevent and the last service from the special school for excluded children who were scared of him and gently trying to help him think about the victims of his hero's.

His mum called 999 when he went missing and they found him when a bus driver called 999 and they found a knife. They told the family to protect their knives.

I don't think you understand how the harm prevention services work.

If they are short of money, they have to 'prioritise' - and this is where it gets dangerous for the public.

He did not have access - why are you saying that? What do you even mean by the word 'access'?

Maybe if they had more funding they would have had more options for him, more staff and so on. It is clearly a funding issue.

@SunshinDay yes, and he kicked him too. He also had frightening meltdowns when they tried to limit his internet use. I imagine living with him was extremely difficult

@verycloakanddaggers perhaps you have not read my posts before diving in..
I said I know all agencies need far more funding but he had access to all these agencies didn't he.
He wasn't denied any access because of a lack of funding but it's clear that each agency was utterly useless in this case?

I’m not surprised you’re “not integrated” with your community or with 95% of the population when you lack so much empathy. “They get enough as far as I can tell” — are you from a different planet?

I kmow bold I was referring to his dad and mum being scared of him so mentioned the occasion where he called the police when he fought with him and he's damaged the car.

Are you seriously asking 'how could more funding have helped?' Are you unaware of what has happened to services in the UK since 2010?

More funding for all the vital harm prevention services - social work police, youth services, CAMHS etc. - would allow greater intervention at an earlier stage. The general public is at higher risk due to all the cuts.

His parents called the police FOUR times to ask for help. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/axel-rudakubana-parents-police-prevent-southport-killer-b2685522.html