Kemi B just suggested about Southport....

Not opening a DM link as I have an Ad blocker and they don't like that.

Are you talking about "access to white hate material?"

lol even the Mail implies she’s lying! He did not have ‘white genocide material’ and there’s no evidence of any religious motive. Awful, horrible, dangerous insinuations. She’s an idiot if she thinks that cosying up to racists will help her. They don’t like her for obvious reasons. Rudakubana’s parents and brother are all very well integrated.

This case should be shaking up how services are run because there’s obviously more people like him in bedrooms around the country.

I feel for Axel R’s family. The parents clearly tried but if services like the police won’t act on multiple occasions then what were they supposed to do? Are there just too many services that nobody knows who to pass people onto ? Or are they waiting for people like Axel to end up in prison or dead? So many online calls for the family to be deported when I see no sign of them not assimilating to life in the UK.

Kemi Badenoch on LK
this is what she said today

I have just done a thorough search of all the material in the public domain, and there is not a single reference to AR having "white hate material", just to him having accessed the Al Qaida manual and other materials. There are a lot of references to "hate" and "white" when describing rioters of the period. Not quite the same thing though, are they?

FWIIW "I think Kemi Badenoch and the BBC would probably be sued if what she said about evidence was untrue about such a serious crime" you cannot sue the BBC for something that they didn't say - people say all sorts of things but that doesn't make them or anyone else complicit in what is said. And KB lies about all sorts of things, or, if you prefer, puts her own take on things. Doesn't make them true. And I very much doubt that she is worried about being sued. Doesn't mean she's telling the truth.

This article details lots of material he accessed and how he was dealt with by various organisations. It seems clear that Prevent sends out very junior people to 'chat' to threatening individuals, offer some calming advice and pass them on to CAMHS and social services. None of these services have the money or people to deal with violent threats to society. When threats have to be ranked and the lesser threats ignored due to lack of funding, it's inevitable that tragedies will occur. A lot seems to have been made of his ASD diagnosis and the fact it was violence he was obsessed with and notoriety -he rang the NSA to ask if he was known to them-he also had anti Islamic material. He didn't fit Prevent's definition of who they were there for, not driven by ideology or religion.
Revealed: Home Office report to expose fatal Southport errors

www.thetimes.com/article/0077d3df-6150-4f75-92dd-22057504f038?shareToken=514eb38add51df03d84f26a4f92961e5

It was horrendous but we were 11 year olds, so they were clearly acting out on the prejudices of their parents.

You think Badenoch would be sued? By whom? She’s using the death of three little girls to stir up racial hatred for political advantage. I couldn’t despise her more.

Sorry I thought I'd quoted a PP.

Kemi Badenoch is utterly irresponsible in stirring up racial hatred with this ‘white genocide’ crap. I’ve seen the source of this claim on Twitter and it’s based on Rudakubana having read academic papers about various massacres/types of cruelty and violence, some of which involved white people harming black people eg during slavery, but he also read about the killing of Tutsis in Rwanda which has nothing to do with white people and about the Holocaust.

Everyone should be able to participate in these discussions without constant scrutiny and criticism, and your digs at me have gone on for two pages.

have a good day.

That sounds awful.

Asking someone how confident they are when they post something they believe is not really looking for a fight, is it?

You’re looking for a fight online. I’ll politely decline.

I think it’s up to each individual what they believe. I think Kemi Badenoch and the BBC would probably be sued if what she said about evidence was untrue about such a serious crime, but it’s up to each person what they believe.

edited to say I think he probably had hate material about lots of people, different groups and religions. The man was looking to harm and kill.

This was exactly my experience, and I was also bullied by other Asians for it ( Muslim gangs of girls in my case 40 years ago now bullying non Muslim Asian girls to the extent many of us left the school) but in this case there is no evidence that this was the case. He was Christian for a start.

I don’t think any of us know enough about the case to comment. His experience as a child of immigrants, or due to his ethnicity, may have been a factor. It may not.

He’s not argued diminished responsibility as a defence. It’s possible he’s mentally unwell, or has disabilities, but won’t accept this and refuses treatment or support. So, the only way to prevent a person in that situation from harming other people is for them to be detained under mental health legislation, which is a pretty high bar for understandable reasons.

On the immigrant integration point, it’s hard to integrate when you don’t feel welcome and people are unfriendly, either due to your immigration status, nationality, ethnicity or religion. Some people make it clear immigrants aren’t welcome and some people are racist even to British people. Integration is a two-way street.

I've read quite a few articles on the case and have not seen it reported that he wanted to kill white people or commit genocide against white people.

How confident are you in your belief that he had access to white hate material online?

Why don’t you do some investigating? This is mumsnet and we are sharing what we have seen, read, heard or know.

I saw it this this morning and I’m saying what I saw.

I don't know if someone saying something and someone nodding is evidence though?

Has this been mentioned in any actual reporting of the case?

It is if it formed part of his court case, which the discussion inferred.

watch the programme on iplayer and see what you think .

Do you think his diagnosis might have played any role in this?

Or do you think it's irrelevant?

Is that evidence?

watch it on Iplayer. When Laura and Kemi Badenoch were talking about the evidence, Kemi Badenoch said there was evidence he had white hate material and Laura nodded.

You can watch it again on BBC iPlayer.