Kemi B just suggested about Southport....

Thesis = idea. Sorry if that is not a word you would use.

Having worked under several governments, including the Blair one, I would dispute what you say about services. But clearly you are determined that immigration is the cause of all problems, so disengaging now.

@MonkeyToHeaven GDP per head in the UK 25 years ago was $28,762.1, in 2021 it was $46,869.8. So ask yourself where's the money going?

This one is simple- it's going into housing costs. House prices have skyrocketed much faster than inflation.

Houses aren't actually supposed to cost £290,000. If house prices had risen in line with inflation since 1970, the average house would only be around £70,000 - £80,000.

Houses would be cheaper if there was less demand and if the supply wasn't constrained.

Exactly. The issue with what Badenoch said was that she was conflating the Southport killings to Immigration. So no matter thst the family were refugees, fleeing genocide, no matter that they had integrated, she was saying that even second and third generation immigrants who had integrated could be accused of not integrating. Including presumably her, Rishi Sunak and many Conservatives. Immigrants not integrating and trying to impose their own forms of culture on people who don't want it is a problem. But it's irrelevant to the Southport case and sounds like what it is. Kemi using a tragedy to shore up her vote in the face of Reform

This!

What bit is untrue?

Funding for the NHS in real terms increased between 2000-2010 and led to it being ranked the best in the world. Real term funding fell, capital investment funds were limited & poor workforce planning over the next 14 years led to it's current state. A deliberate and calculated choice.

Investment in housing, particularly affordable social housing, was deliberately restricted by government policy. Forcing councils to sell off housing stock and limiting their ability to reinvest the proceeds in new stock has been a disaster for working people.

At the last census, there were over a million uninhabited dwellings in England & Wales.

GDP per head in the UK 25 years ago was $28,762.1, in 2021 it was $46,869.8

So ask yourself where's the money going? All we've done since Thatcher is assist in moving public wealth and assets into private hands, pay for the economic crashes caused by a renegade international banking cartel.

But sure, it's all because of immigration and managers at the nhs.

Where do you see it in a decade or two?

Do we keep increasing the population, in terms of how many is it just continually rising?

It doesn’t matter how much you try and deflect by using individual examples as being unreasonable, the fact is that immigration is out of control. It’s too high and it’s bad for this country.

The country was built on immigration. The economy does better with immigrants.

All those problems you've been told are because of immigration have deep rooted reasons which are nothing to do with immigration.

I didn't say that introverted people are a risk. Lots of different personality types commit sexual offences.

My post was about individuals who commit mass murder being socially isolated and often misfits.

I'm happy to hear evidence to the contrary regarding individual mass murderers.

She was talking about some immigrants not integrating and having a strong dislike of the UK. She was therefore talking about immigration and linking it to an immigration issue.
We don't actually know whether this is the case for the Southport killer or not.

I do think some people on here have led v sheltered lives and don't seem to have a great deal of real life experience of people from different backgrounds.

Have you never heard of the white devil? I remember being at Uni when a lecturer was discussing this. Some of the white kids in the class couldn't believe it 😂😂😂

@username299 I'm aware that people with personality disorders can be charming but as far as I know, none of the husbands in the Relationship boards have committed mass murder.

No, charming people just commit sexual offences instead.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2010-12-08/report-profiles-charming-rapists/2366782

If you think that introverted people are a risk to you, then you are sorely mistaken.

Ok, you can respond to my comments but back off with the aggression.

Have a conversation about immigration by all means and link it to an immigration issue

This murder is not an immigration issue. This is shameful and shameless bandwagon jumping and playing into the hands of the far right to make sure too many voters dont jump ship to Farage

Racism, pure and simple. Dont like it? Dont say then.

this is the answer, absolutely
multiple people and agencies recognised there was a problem with this child and did what they could to protect others from him and get him help- none of it succeeded because the services are all at crisis point
it has nothing, nothing to do with the fact that he is black

because that's what is constantly being hinted at

I just cannot understand why people keep going on about boats/immigrants/multiculturalsim when we have known for months now that this was a British child, born and educated here

except that.....he is black....and 'looks evil'....so we can blame it on that then
god help his poor parents and brother

@Workisntworking I agree.
Which is why I speficically said around the isolation issue

why would she do that? Are you serious? VOTES. More specifically, votes from Reform racists.

Everything to do with his autism?

When people excuse crimes on the basis of autism, they send out the message that autism = murderer, rapist, hacker, thief. That makes it difficult for everyone else with autism.

But what has she actually said that's racist?

We (and certainly our politicians) need to be able to have open, honest conversations about immigration without being called racist.
Other countries seem to manage this.

Yes,, where were you during the Tory government, shes been like this all along.

Oh she's black? Oh well she cant be racist then

A bit like saying a woman cant be misogynist isnt it?

Just remember, by her own statement, Kemi "doesn't do gaffes".

Her words

'As far as you can tell'. I assume that's based on no actual knowledge?

I was talking about people who go on to kill after being socially isolated. I gave the example of incels. They are known to be socially isolated individuals. There have been two acts of terrorism by incels as far as I'm aware and people were murdered.

I wasn't talking about a defined ideology, I was talking about social isolation.

From what I know about mass shooters, they tend to be isolated individuals or misfits and are often bullied.

I'm aware that people with personality disorders can be charming but as far as I know, none of the husbands in the Relationship boards have committed mass murder.

But she is racist. Her opinions are racist. Being one kind of black person doesn't make her accepting of all brown and black people and incapable of racism.

To all appearances, this attack had nothing to do with race or religion. Much as people seemed desperate for him to be Muslim, he isn't. Part of the Prevent failure was that he simply didn't have any particular target or purpose. He was simply obsessed with the idea of killing.

As far as we've heard, the family were well integrated, so her premise in the interview was way out. She's just trying to make political capital out of this tragedy.

I know this is just ridiculous now.

@Asvoria Who are any of us and what are our “backgrounds”? Who deserves or gets “more” than you? Who are the people in your community?

Just stop. What is this and why are you voicing it?

Oh Lord help me!!! 😂😂

Kemi is racist to Black people?

You people are wild!!!!! 🤣🤣🤣🤣