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To feel sad I'm going to end up 'managing' another man

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twentyoneteacups · 26/01/2025 10:20

Aware I might be setting myself up for attack by posting in AIBU for this, but here goes...

My dad's been sorting out his will recently, and adding a Letter of Wishes - things that don't go in the will itself but offer guidelines for how he'd like some other things to be handled.

One of the items in the Letter of Wishes is about his younger brother.

They come from a pretty well-off family, and this brother, my uncle, has lived his life accordingly. He recently got his first job (at 62 years old) after spending his life gambling, being funded by his mother (my grandmother), and chasing 'big deals with the Saudis' that never come to fruition.

A few years ago his 'luck' with the Bank of Mum ran out, and he's since sold his fancy Central London flat (bought for him by their parents), moved into his sister (my aunt)'s house for 2 years rent-free and then when she ran out of patience (she's a saint and takes beautiful care of everyone around her), a granny-flat in a neighbour's garden. He's got a job as a van driver and is earning now, which is good, but he's going to be in trouble when it comes to his later life.

He didn't like my mother, and so cut any meaningful contact with my dad when they got married. He's never sought any kind of relationship with me at all – contrasted with his relationship with my cousins (my aunt married 'well', so he was in their lives quite enthusiastically).

Which brings us to my dad's Letter of Wishes.

Dad has said that if I need money from his estate, I should put that need first. But if I don't, and his brother outlives him, he wants me to use the money to take care of his brother – not leaving him a lump sum (because he'll gamble it away), but to pay him a monthly stipend and cover his care.

Essentially, to make sure his brother is OK.

It's very 'my dad', wanting to take care of family no matter what, and I love that about him, AND there's a part of me that's pretty... miffed.

I've found myself repeatedly in relationships with men where I've ended up leaving because they started relying on my finances, borrowing and not paying back, expecting me to cough up for big purchases, doing the 'financial management' of our relationship for them, and this feels like a repeat version of this – but for a family member who has never taken an interest in me nor done much to take care of himself.

It's not that I want whatever money my dad leaves behind all for myself – I've worked damn hard to get to a place where I'm financially stable on my own and should be fine in the future without anything that my dad leaves me – it's more the mental and emotional load of being my uncle's financial 'carer'.

Yet again, it feels like, men get to do whatever they want, and in swoop the women (my grandmother, my aunt, and now potentially me) to do the work of rescuing and 'making it all ok'.

I feel guilty for being frustrated by this, because of course I don't want my uncle to suffer later in life - I don't want that for anyone. He's not been 'family' to me, but he is my dad's family, and I'll respect my dad's wishes, and honour his values. Heck - it may never even come to that point, but it is niggling at me.

So I guess I'm looking for either some validation for my feelings, or a good Mumsnet-style head-wobble... how does it all land with you? AIBU, or is it OK to be torn about this?

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CHEESEY13 · 26/01/2025 11:18

Your Dad is looking to you to supervise this Man-Baby when he's gone. Exactly - he'll be gone. But you will have responsibility for the Feckless Uncle as well as your own life and matters therein.
You are being designated to spoon-feed this guy who, by the sound of it, will be pretty content to use you as a safety net, having 'form' for this kind of behaviour with others in the family.
As soon as your Father has passed then don't feel bad about ripping up his letter of wishes. It's unfair of him to try and direct your life from beyond the grave.

godmum56 · 26/01/2025 11:18

I see a problem here....How is the estate actually left? is it all left to you or what? It seems to me to be a very messy setup. I get the secondary executor in case the first one predeceases the testator thing, I have got a similar arrangement in my will. I also get the way this would niggle, that your father is binding his burden on you. The options that I see are
that you can tell your Dad "no"
that you can not say anything to your Dad and then decide what to do after he dies
that you can not say anything to your Dad and ignore the letter of wishes

How savvy is your "uncle"? and how much does your dad support him now? I know its a reach and you'd need to get advice or encourage your dad to do so but is there any possiblity that your uncle could challenge the will on the grounds that your father supports him and he is therefore a dependant?

Porkyporkchop · 26/01/2025 11:18

twentyoneteacups · 26/01/2025 10:32

@SomethingFun I definitely don't have to do anything in the letter of wishes – that's why my dad's put this part there instead in the will, and why he's not leaving his brother a named lump sum.

Dad wants me to put my needs first, and only if there's money I don't 'need', then to use it for my uncle.

So I know this situation may never actually come to pass in reality, it's more just the feeling of it, if that makes sense?

Well you will need all the money , won’t you? So uncle will not get anything.

I wouldn’t give him a dime. This family conditioning to pander to this man has allowed him to be a baby all
his life. He probably had more than his share of his own mother’s money.

Travelodge · 26/01/2025 11:17

OP, I understand your feelings perfectly. It all depends on interpretation of the word "need", and if you are a conscientious person this will always be hanging over you.

If you have the sort of relationship with your DF that would make it possible, I would explain to him how you feel, that it’s not about the money but the uncertainty it leaves you in. What does "need" mean? What if you "need" it not to buy food but to move into a nicer house, or into a more expensive area, or would like an expensive holiday, or to pay more into your pension pot? it is not fair for your DF to put the decision and associated guilt onto you.

It would be far better for your father to either leave your uncle a lump sum (and if he wastes it that’s his choice) or, if he insists, to direct you to pay uncle a set small amount each month/year for the rest of his life. That way, at least you would know where you stood.

Your father had, presumably at least in earlier life, a strong relationship with his brother. You don’t and never have had, and it’s unfair if your father to be tying you into one like this.

BrightOrangeDahlias · 26/01/2025 11:17

friendlycat · 26/01/2025 11:06

It's all rather open ended and open to personal interpretation.

For instance a monthly stipend to cover care of your uncle could involve his monthly rent and all utilities plus living allowance - at what price would this be?

You needing money from the estate and putting yourself first can mean any number of things. Paying off your mortgage, enjoying some extensive travel and a bit of luxury.

Is this something you can talk to your father about to gain further insight into what he actually is suggesting within his Letter of wishes? Or is he just passing the responsibility and decision over to you?

Friendlycat has beat me to it. For me, the arrangement is far too woolly. If your dad left you a sum outright, you'd be free to choose what you do with it, whether that's buy a bigger house, invest it, take lots of expensive holidays or buy a luxury handbag collection. Whatever. It would be entirely your decision. With your Dad's arrangement, who's the arbiter of "need"? Will you have it on your conscience that you're off on holiday while your uncle is out doing a nightshift to pay his gas bill? If he gets wind of the LoW, will be be pestering you and asking you to justify your expenditure (whether it came from the inheritance or not) if he's struggling? If he has CF tendencies already and you're not on the best of terms now, it's a recipie for a lot of angst. Your angst. I'd try and explain this to your Dad and (if you feel able) come up with a solution you're both happy with.

thegirlwithemousyhair · 26/01/2025 11:16

Absolutely not.
Dont know how old you are but you're Uncle is 62. He is old enough to look after himself by now. If your father wants to look after him while he is alive, thats great but its not your responsiblity to look after him. The guy is 62 fgs. Time to grow up. He could live another 20 years. Like you say, you will end up another enabler as per all the other women in the family so no dont do it and dont feel bad about not doing it.
I imagine youre still young and its hard enough just trying to take responsibility for your own life and any immediate family you have. Let the cousins do it seeing as how theyre closer to him.. Besides a letter of wishes is just that, Wishes. Youre not legally bound by it.

May09Bump · 26/01/2025 11:16

I get what you mean OP, take the money you need, if any left then I would follow your Dad's wishes (then it won't play on your mind). To discharge the responsibility asap I would buy an annuity for your uncle that pays monthly if possible - then close that door. If your uncle hasn't got any SEN / Disability then he can take care of himself.

twentyoneteacups · 26/01/2025 11:15

4forksache · 26/01/2025 11:13

You set up a direct debit and then forget about it, after you’ve made it clear to uncle that there will never be more than the monthly amount.

It doesn’t have to be a mental load.

But how much is this 'monthly amount' if it's based on an unclear self-assessment of my 'need'?

OP posts:
poemsandwine · 26/01/2025 11:14

gamerchick · 26/01/2025 10:27

Tell your dad it's not going to happen and if he wants your uncle cared for then he needs to sort out something else like a trust or something.

You don't have to agree to this.

Absolutely this. Your dad is taking the piss with this. If he wants his brother taken care of, it's up to him to earmark money now.

No way would I do this.

twentyoneteacups · 26/01/2025 11:14

@Carrelli "The supposed freedom of “you don’t need to give him anything if you need the money” is setting you up for having to make a prioritisation decisions about your money for the rest of your uncles life, not just a one off. Any fun you have in your life your Dad is expecting you to navigate offsetting a guilt trip about your uncles quality of life."

Putting it like that has really brought it into a new focus for me – thank you. You're quite right – and since a chunk of what I inherit from my dad is unlikely to be liquid, it affects a lot of my decision-making.

PPs are also quite right that I don't have to attend to this at all – but it will always be in the back of my mind...

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Mayflyoff · 26/01/2025 11:13

I wouldn't be helping anyone who treated my mum like that.

But you don't want him written into his will either. If he leaves him £50k and you the rest of his estate and then care home fees eat into his estate leaving only £40k then he will get the lot. That clearly isn't what your dad wants.

I'd just leave it as is, and then do what you want when the time comes.

4forksache · 26/01/2025 11:13

You set up a direct debit and then forget about it, after you’ve made it clear to uncle that there will never be more than the monthly amount.

It doesn’t have to be a mental load.

thescandalwascontained · 26/01/2025 11:09

I'd tell your dad if he wants his useless, layabout, user of a brother to piss away all his hard earned savings, then he'll need to give it to him some other way. YOu're not comfortable or interested in getting involved, and it hurts that he's prioritise someone who happily wasted his life and mooched off everyone else instead of his own daughter who worked hard to stand on her own two feet.

Carrelli · 26/01/2025 11:07

By trying to be kind your Dad is setting up a terrible situation for you, and so I think you should be quite forceful in explaining to your Dad why this is a totally misguided proposal.

He is kicking the can down the road and loading you with the moral responsibility for your uncles welfare. The supposed freedom of “you don’t need to give him anything if you need the money” is setting you up for having to make a prioritisation decisions about your money for the rest of your uncles life, not just a one off. Any fun you have in your life your Dad is expecting you to navigate offsetting a guilt trip about your uncles quality of life.

Your dad is indulging his conscience with cake and eating it.
He needs to make a moral decision himself. Decide how much to leave to his brother, which could be in trust. Beyond that there is the welfare state.

comingintomyown · 26/01/2025 11:06

If the will has only just been drafted then you are still taking this in. Hopefully in a month or two you will realise you have the freedom to do as you please with the money. It sounds like a sop to your Fathers conscience doing it this way which I understand and far better than seeing your Uncle getting a lump sum after a life of entitlement

friendlycat · 26/01/2025 11:06

It's all rather open ended and open to personal interpretation.

For instance a monthly stipend to cover care of your uncle could involve his monthly rent and all utilities plus living allowance - at what price would this be?

You needing money from the estate and putting yourself first can mean any number of things. Paying off your mortgage, enjoying some extensive travel and a bit of luxury.

Is this something you can talk to your father about to gain further insight into what he actually is suggesting within his Letter of wishes? Or is he just passing the responsibility and decision over to you?

jeaux90 · 26/01/2025 11:05

Look if he really wants your uncle to be ok then he sets it in his will that there is a trust fund.

You are right OP, the expectation of some men that we have to take care of them is extremely irritating.

Fairyliz · 26/01/2025 11:04

It’s a letter of wishes not the ark of the covenant, just ignore it. Surely you ‘need’ any money left by your dad for some sunny holidays?

TheoriginalMrsDarcy · 26/01/2025 11:04

Fencehedge · 26/01/2025 10:51

Why should she spend a single penny on this fuckwit?

She doesn't have to. As I said its a letter of wishes. She could just say there's no money for uncle at all.

But since the money isn't hers until her dad passes away, it's what he would have wanted. Its down to whether or not she wants to honour her dads wishes. Of course if dad puts a set figure in his will for uncle, then when uncle passes, the money will never revert back to OP. What if dad puts a figure of £50,000 for uncle? Whereas at the moment, the present will shows she maintains control, how much and if she wants to part with any money at all.

AmandaHoldensLips · 26/01/2025 11:03

I wouldn't bother explaining anything to your dad. Let him make his will and write his letter of wishes. It will make him feel better.

Of course he won't be around any more by the time his will and letter come into play, at which point you do not have to step into the role of rescuer for his no-marks brother.

There is absolutely no benefit (to you) in tying yourself in knots over a piece of paper that will essentially become meaningless when your father passes.

Don't worry and don't beat yourself up.

ZebedeeDougalFlorence · 26/01/2025 11:02

The letter says that if you need money from the estate that you should put that need first. I would focus on that.

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 26/01/2025 10:59

@twentyoneteacups a letter of wishes is simply that! a letter of wishes!!! it is not a letter of necessity. I, if i was you, would be "needing" the money to secure your own future and that of any children which you may have. I wonder if your father is actually giving him a monthly allowance at the moment???

twentyoneteacups · 26/01/2025 10:59

@AlisonDonut the cousins are in place in case my dad dies AND I die – legally there needs to be a just-in-case backup.

Which is all normal, it's just I don't know if it means they've also now seen the letter and will be expecting something / judging me / assuming something about my financial status based on what I do or don't do about my uncle.

They're lovely people, and I don't expect anything malicious from them, it's just, as you've said, another complicating factor.

OP posts:
AlisonDonut · 26/01/2025 10:56

twentyoneteacups · 26/01/2025 10:45

The only technical part of this that feels unclear is that my cousins (who are wonderful) are secondary executors of my dad's estate, so if I predecease them somehow, they're in charge of what happens.

I don't know if that means they've also now seen the Letter of Wishes, and that because they've had a close relationship with my uncle, that'll complicate matters emotionally if this situation ever emerges.

I'm probably overthinking things, as many PPs have said, but it is niggling me!

You aren't overthinking things, you are just not clear about what you want.

Either your dad wants to set aside money, in which case he needs to do it or he doesn't.

If you don't say or do anything now, you will be in this forever. It isn't his place to sign you up for a lifetime of involvement. Also, why do your cousins need to be secondary executors? Are you not able to do this yourself? This all seems like a shit show of crossing over complications and confusion.

OhshitSharon · 26/01/2025 10:53

That's the problem with it for me OP, too many if's and but's and decisions for you to make when it should be up to your dad. He's inadvertently passing the buck and making you responsible when it should be his decision what happens to his money, and I don't blame you for not being comfortable with that.

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