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Re the housework?

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TiredDino · 25/01/2025 09:52

DH and I both work full time. This hasn’t always been the case, we have children (ranging from preschool age to primary age) and when they were smaller I worked part time - I’ve been back to full time for about a year.

When I was part time I did the large majority of the housework/childcare, which was fine as I was working less.

We both work in quite intense (remote luckily) roles that occasionally require working into the evening etc.

DH is stuck in the old dynamic of I should pick up the housework, childcare etc.

Im the default school run parent - if I want or need him to do it I need to ask in advance and block out his diary. I do the after school clubs (thankfully not many - just swimming and one other once a week for one DC). He doesn’t know where the uniforms are so I have to get them ready for him on the rare day I have to travel to a meeting.

I do the cleaning, the food shop, the washing etc etc. Book the kids dentist, check the school app, order school dinners. You name it, I do it. He does the ‘outdoor’ jobs. Only he doesn’t. The bin will be literally overflowing before he takes it out. The grass long and weedy before he decides to cut it etc.

Even bedtimes - we both had a little work to finish after bedtime yesterday, and we said ok let’s get the kids in bed - and he instead went to his office and shut himself in there for 30 mins to work and leaving me to deal with bedtime with overtired kids, all the while knowing I had my own work but that I couldn’t start that until the kids were sorted. He got really cross when I pointed this out to him. Imagine if we both just decided to ignore the kids and finish work instead?!

I am struggling and overwhelmed. He suggested getting a cleaner - I had a lovely lady round for a quote and she quoted £80 a week! Which honestly whilst would do all the jobs that get missed like the blinds and skirting etc, the kids mess up the house (we also have a dog) so quickly that it doesn’t actually help with keeping on top of the house day to day.

I just don’t see why I should pay £300+ a month out of my own pocket because he refuses to help? If we both mucked in just 15 mins a day it would be so much easier.

I don’t know what my AIBU is, because I don’t think I am. For complete context - he pays a higher % of the bills than me as the higher earner in the house but I also pay for a lot so proportionately it’s about right.

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Phineyj · 26/01/2025 08:30

I mean true it's not about the cleaner! But OP might as well find out the going rate.

Phineyj · 26/01/2025 08:24

"Doesn't know where the uniform is." 😂

Phineyj · 26/01/2025 08:24

It may be ultimatum time. His behaviour is disrespectful and setting an awful example to your children.

My DH is rather lazy about housework but will do it when ordered without complaint. And he does most of the schlepping DC about again without complaint.

I put it to him straight years ago: do your share of cleaning or pay for a cleaner? Pay for a cleaner he replied instantly! And he has never queried the cost.

£80 is a lot though unless your house is enormous or very grubby/cluttered and I'm in an expensive bit of the country. Get more quotes. I mean your DH should, but won't.

He is silly not to do schlepping, bedtimes, clubs etc. That's when you build relationships with DC. He won't have one by the time they're teens.

We have done couples' counselling a few times and it's been helpful. Your DH also sounds resentful and maybe it would help to get that out in the open.

I am assuming he wanted DC?

username299 · 26/01/2025 07:58

Most people would love a maid who not only pays half the bills but takes care of everything else. He's completely got it made and he knows it which is why he gets defensive.

You need to decide how to approach this because if you go for an ultimatum, you need to be prepared to follow through.

Obviously the best way forward is to sit down and have a discussion. Explain that you're exhausted and you're not longer prepared to take care of everything.

Divide out the chores and take things in turn such as taking time off for the children. Download a calendar you can both access.

If he loves and respects you and wants to keep his family together, he'll step up. If he doesn't, then you have a decision to make.

Blue278 · 26/01/2025 07:36

I had one like this. Mine had affairs too! Due to circumstances I stuck it out until DC were grown but it was hard.
I just got philosophical about it. Treated him like an extra child who I needed to stay with because of housing and the ‘child care’ while I worked nights.
Put yourself first. He is. He doesn’t even like you. Build your escape fund. Don’t let anything affect your job prospects. Look after the children but withdraw from him and tell him why.
Sorry you ended up with one of these men. There are a lot of them about. If you never work you never find out!

Theextraordinaryisintheordinary · 26/01/2025 07:21

Wrong thread

user2848502016 · 25/01/2025 18:20

Urgh he sounds like a selfish pig.
I honestly would sit him down and tell him you want things to improve or split up.
If he lived alone he'd be finding the time to clean and cook, he would also be looking after the DC alone if he wants to see them, and you'd get a break!

thepariscrimefiles · 25/01/2025 18:11

TiredDino · 25/01/2025 10:18

@FinallyHere he genuinely doesn’t seem to see the inequality. Take the bedtime example, when we both agreed to start bedtime then he disappeared leaving me with overtired kids and our preschooler having a full on strop about bed. When I said to him about it he just said ‘what are you talking about? The stuff that comes out of your mouth I don’t even know what you’re talking about, just shut up’

him telling me to shut up is another issue altogether to be honest he says it a lot (tried to hide in jest) when I talk about inequality or finances or anything really - I’ve literally said to him if he tells me to shut up one more time we are done it drives me mad!

No, he's pretending that he doesn't see the inequality. The current set up suits him just fine. You are bringing more money into the household but you are doing exactly the same amount of wife-work and childcare as you did when you were working part time.

I would stop doing any of his washing, or cook any of his meals. He suggested getting a cleaner. Would he pay for it?

He sounds pretty horrible. As you have said, if you split up, you would still need to do everything but you would feel less resentful as he wouldn't be there, doing nothing to help and rubbing it in your face.

cansu · 25/01/2025 18:07

It's a mind set. He is one of many whose mind set is that these are your responsibilities, mainly because he simply doesn't want to do these jobs. I lived with someone like this for over 20 years. There is nothing you can do but leave him. Alternative you pay for help but you can guarantee he will comain ir refuse to pay for it. As you rightly point out it is the day to day workload that cant be alleviated unless you had a housekeeper which most of us cannot afford. Or you stop doing some of it but there will be nasty rows.

OhBow · 25/01/2025 18:00

Best of luck OP, you can do it. Don't waste any more precious energy trying to make him see.

Betchyaby · 25/01/2025 17:32

You don't need a cleaner, you need a new husband. I can't believe the amount of women who put up with this shit and I'm a housewife!

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 25/01/2025 17:10

RosesAndHellebores · 25/01/2025 16:50

I do think it's important to separate the cleaning from the tidying. I have never expected the cleaner to tidy. And the DC had to tidy their stuff before bed, at tidy up time. It was ingrained from when they were babies. "we've had a lovely time with the lego/painting/puzzle/dollies, now we are going to put the toys away ". Watch mummy, turned into help mummy, and then you do it.

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Yes, agree with this.
All my DC had to tidy their toys before they had their bath and bed.
Non-negotiable.

Fupoffyagrasshole · 25/01/2025 17:10

Can you go to the office

id start going in and working late and coming home after bedtime a few nights a week

Busywithsomething · 25/01/2025 17:05

Why don't you split the cost? I've never understood separate bank accounts to be honest. But it does seem like he has unreasonable expectations. has he always been hard work? Is it worth it? Do you love him?

Bey · 25/01/2025 17:00

TiredDino · 25/01/2025 10:06

@Chamomileteaplease ive tried this and it just gets heated ‘I paid for you for years, you’ve had holidays out of me, I pay the mortgage’

etc - no respect to what I pay for or my contribution

im honestly getting to a point where I think id find it easier without him. He traveled for work a few times last year and I found those times easier as the lack of resentment toward him was such a relief.

You would find it easier without him. If he thinks he "paid" for you for years whilst you were looking after his children he has no respect only contempt for you and once contempt has set in there's probably no going back without counselling which doesn't sound like he'd be up for or engage in.

VoodooRajin · 25/01/2025 16:55

Get a cheaper cleaner, and get food shop delivered

RosesAndHellebores · 25/01/2025 16:50

TiredDino · 25/01/2025 10:43

@Gwenhwyfar the kids are so messy I don’t know what she could do that wouldn’t need redoing the next day anyway

I do think it's important to separate the cleaning from the tidying. I have never expected the cleaner to tidy. And the DC had to tidy their stuff before bed, at tidy up time. It was ingrained from when they were babies. "we've had a lovely time with the lego/painting/puzzle/dollies, now we are going to put the toys away ". Watch mummy, turned into help mummy, and then you do it.

Inmyhands · 25/01/2025 16:12

JimHalpertsWife · 25/01/2025 10:08

'I paid for you for years, you’ve had holidays out of me, I pay the mortgage’

Missed this as I was typing.

Fuck that.

I'd be done.

Absolutely. What a prick.

RunningJo · 25/01/2025 16:02

Normally I’d suggest talking to him, or suggesting counselling but it doesn’t sound like he’d listen/ attend.
He’s decided all parenting and house admin is down to you from some bizarre arrogant idea in his head and as if you should be grateful. Do you see him ever seeing your point of view, or caring enough to change? If you do then that’s great. but if not, then go.
Don’t wait hoping for change that won’t happen because one day you will blink and you will be even more resentful than you are now and be angry that you stayed and wasted your life one someone who behaves appallingly to you
Life is too short to spend it with someone so incredibly selfish.
As they say, when someone shows you who they are, believe them.

You deserve better OP

Mymanyellow · 25/01/2025 15:53

All this 1950 set up isn’t necessarily true either. Pretty sure my dad never spoke to my mum like that.

Normallynumb · 25/01/2025 15:28

He has contempt for you, and you can't come back from that, I'm sorry
You're more relaxed when he's away which shows you how life can be without this nasty man, as will your DC
They will sense how he belittles you and disrespect you.
He has a typical 1950's mindset but in 2025 you are also working.
I would resent him too.
I would( and did) start divorce proceedings.
If you post in relationships, the kind posters who have been through the process will guide you through.
Right now, the reality is just dawning on you.
I promise you, both you and DC will thrive without him.

TheBroonOneAndTheWhiteOne · 25/01/2025 14:51

My DH and I have always shared the housework and the childcare.

Even now we're retired, he does all the hoovering, and mopping the floors. Daily. I do the bathroom and dusting.

We share the cooking and washing up.

He does all the gardening and I do all the washing.

He goes and gets the shopping which I've ordered online, and we put it away together.

I wouldn't stay with a man who expected me to do everything in the house.

We worked hard when we were younger, and shared the care of the children, too.

FictionalCharacter · 25/01/2025 14:43

verycloakanddaggers · 25/01/2025 10:07

So tell him it is a deal-breaker.

Absolutely.
It isn’t surprising you feel better when he isn’t there. He’s lazy, entitled, undervalues you, has sexist views and is frankly horrible.

GrandmotherStillLearning · 25/01/2025 14:40

TiredDino · 25/01/2025 10:06

@Chamomileteaplease ive tried this and it just gets heated ‘I paid for you for years, you’ve had holidays out of me, I pay the mortgage’

etc - no respect to what I pay for or my contribution

im honestly getting to a point where I think id find it easier without him. He traveled for work a few times last year and I found those times easier as the lack of resentment toward him was such a relief.

Wow.
I'd ask him to leave while for 3 months while you process. A judge usually rules you stay in the house until education ends for children.

See how you feel in 3 months and he may suddenly clear up the thoughtless arse.

Tubetrain · 25/01/2025 14:38

You're married. It's legally all shared money, what's this nonsense of his money and your money?

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