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To not buy my mum cigarettes?

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Couldbysunny · 24/01/2025 19:13

With her money.
She wants me to go out and get cigarettes for her. She also asks my DH. She gives her bank card to us to pick up other shopping for her which I am happy to do.
She's a lifelong chain smoker. However she has just come out of hospital due to pneumonia turning into sepsis and having a pulmonary embolism.
She was in 3 weeks and almost died.
This happened last winter as well and she was in 6 weeks.
Both times the doctors have told her that if she carries on smoking she will die.
Her oxygen levels and her blood pressie are very bad.
She also has MS and is in a wheelchair.
She said she was going to stop but is now just smoking again. Only been out of hospital a week. She won't take some of the neds she's been given eother. She's an intelligent woman but she lives in a fantasy world sometimes. She's talking about going on a trip round the world.. she can barely stand. She says she doesn't want to die. She was very upset the doctor had written 'resuscitation not advised' on her notes. She's so physically frail but she won't actually do anything suggested to rectify it. She pretends it's not happening and as a result is deteriorating.
I'm very worried about her.
Of course I know she will still get hold of cigarettes if I refuse to buy them for her. She has neighbours and friends who do shopping for her if she asks.. and when the weather is decent and she's well enough she can get to the local shops herself.
So I know its kind of pointless refusing.
But I hate doing it. I feel like I'm killing her. AIBU to tell her I can't do it?

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BobbyBiscuits · 25/01/2025 13:24

My mum refuses to buy me my fags. I think she did so once when I was really very incapacitated.
But you have every right to refuse.
She can get them delivered with her normal supermarket shopping?
Tell her if she switches to vaping or nicotine replacement products you'll happily pick those up for her! I'm a smoker and I think asking non smokers to get your fags is a bit out of order. Especially If you're unwell. As it makes them feel like an enabler.

TheFormidableMrsC · 25/01/2025 13:09

Could you get her a vape. That will be far better than cigarettes. Not ideal but an alternative.

PrimitivePerson · 25/01/2025 12:26

My parents both died early due to smoking, at 62 and 73. I always refused to buy them cigarettes whenever they asked.

BalladOfBarryAndFreda · 25/01/2025 12:16

I am in a very similar situation and do the same as you, OP. I accept she will go ahead and buy the tobacco, she has capacity, it's her right to do so. However, I can also exercise my own judgment and boundaries and refuse to participate. She's now in a round of endless consultant appointments, A&E, GP visits and admissions, all for smoking related cardiac & respiratory disease. All are my job to support with both practically and emotionally as she can't manage transport, she's a loner and I'm an only child. Plus I'm an HCP so it's doubly expected that I'll just suck it up. I love her and respect her right to choose but it's hard not to be resentful about it sometimes when we get home and she lights up again.

Comtesse · 25/01/2025 12:09

I would not buy cigarettes no way. I could not collude in that way. Vapes yes, cigarettes no way.

MumChp · 25/01/2025 12:03

Couldbysunny · 24/01/2025 21:08

She isn't necessarily at the end of her life though!
She's only 66!
And she has all these plans.. she wants to live..
But I just know one of these winters will be her last if she carries on smoking. Because every time she gets a cold it absolutely destroys her, she ends up with pneumonia and in hospital. And two years running she's had pulmonary embolisms. It seems to me a big warning and a chance to improve her health.
she was there sobbing in the hospital.. but now she's home its like nothing happened and she's straight back to chain smoking

With her health being 66 yo is a lot. Sorry.
Her plans are dreams. Nothing more.
she is a grown up. As hard as it is it's her life and choices.

adminicle · 25/01/2025 11:56

amigafan2003 · 25/01/2025 11:43

We are talking about the OPs situation. We've just effectively accepted the massive harm that smoking does - so why would one be complicit in subjecting a family member to that harm?

I wouldn't hand my daughter a knife so she could cut herself with it so I can't fathom why anyone would hand anyone else cigarettes.

I haven't said the OP should buy the cigarettes. I simply said that comparing it to buying cannabis or cocaine for her mum wasn't an effective argument against buying them.

Pumpkinpie1 · 25/01/2025 11:45

Is your mum on palliative care ? I don’t mean to sound harsh x x

amigafan2003 · 25/01/2025 11:43

adminicle · 25/01/2025 11:40

Quite possibly, but we're talking about the OP's present situation, not an ideal future world.

We are talking about the OPs situation. We've just effectively accepted the massive harm that smoking does - so why would one be complicit in subjecting a family member to that harm?

I wouldn't hand my daughter a knife so she could cut herself with it so I can't fathom why anyone would hand anyone else cigarettes.

MrsSkylerWhite · 25/01/2025 11:42

If your mum wants to kill herself, that’s her (selfish) business. She’s out of order asking you to facilitate that.

adminicle · 25/01/2025 11:40

amigafan2003 · 25/01/2025 11:09

So that obviously demonstrates that smoking should be made illegal as well.

Quite possibly, but we're talking about the OP's present situation, not an ideal future world.

amigafan2003 · 25/01/2025 11:09

adminicle · 25/01/2025 09:01

Yes - because you can go into any supermarket or corner shop and buy cigarettes, smoke them openly in public and have as many of them in your house or on your person without being at risk of being arrested.

Illegal drugs have to be sourced undercover from a dealer, possibly at personal risk, and there are penalties for being caught in possession of them - many people would lose their jobs even if the penalty was a caution for 'personal use only'; added to that is the expense of drugs, even compared to tobacco costing a fortune in taxes. So there are fewer users, fewer deaths - from direct use - but you should also consider the indirect deaths in the supply chain, gang related murders and so on.

In short, it's impossible to compare them while their legal status is different.

So that obviously demonstrates that smoking should be made illegal as well.

Darkmorningsarethepits · 25/01/2025 09:17

I’m as anti smoking as they come but buy her the cigarettes

Shes an autonomous adult with intelligence. She’s been told the risks of smoking and she has endured the consequences

Her life sounds really hard. If she is a wheelchair user due to advanced MS and significant smoking related lung disease it’s highly unlikely she has ‘decades of life left’

I totally get how upsetting it is for you to see her doing something that is contributing to her decline but it’s an addiction and an illness in itself.

Id talk to her GP about some advanced care planning, talking about her wishes if she gets sick again and what her goals of care are- maybe even a referral to the community palliative care team as she has two life limiting illnesses.

her talking about a round the world trip is clearly pie in the sky but might be her working through her own fears of her mortality and she could do with a safe place to do that

Fraaances · 25/01/2025 09:12

Much empathy… my mum was the same. She smoked about 100 a day (and we live in Aus with the most expensive cigs in the world). Anyhow, it’s unlikely your mum doesn’t already have advanced COPD by now. My mum’s denial was so incredible that she was the only one who was shocked when she was diagnosed with lung cancer on top of her COPD. Even though I was there with her when her doctors told her about the COPD and the Cancer, she told everyone that she had “an exotic form of TB that she caught in Bulgaria”. She would even tell me that to my face and I am fairly sure she believed it because she needed to avoid being responsible for her own illness. Also, she was a nurse. She smoked right up until she was physically incapable, and I refused to buy them.

adminicle · 25/01/2025 09:01

amigafan2003 · 24/01/2025 23:26

75k in the UK die each year from smoking related causes versus 40 for weed and 1100 for cocaine.

Yes - because you can go into any supermarket or corner shop and buy cigarettes, smoke them openly in public and have as many of them in your house or on your person without being at risk of being arrested.

Illegal drugs have to be sourced undercover from a dealer, possibly at personal risk, and there are penalties for being caught in possession of them - many people would lose their jobs even if the penalty was a caution for 'personal use only'; added to that is the expense of drugs, even compared to tobacco costing a fortune in taxes. So there are fewer users, fewer deaths - from direct use - but you should also consider the indirect deaths in the supply chain, gang related murders and so on.

In short, it's impossible to compare them while their legal status is different.

CalamityK8 · 24/01/2025 23:34

@Couldbysunny

The Allen Carr Easyway is now available free via the NHS, but not everywhere in the country. They offer it via Zoom or in person, so your DM could do it from home.

Their success rate is apparently higher than nicotine replacement methods like patches. See if it is available in your local area here:

NHS & Allen Carr's Easyway

fairycakes1234 · 24/01/2025 23:29

I'm so sorry for you, its so difficult isn't it. I had this with my mam, she had lung cancer and smoked throughout her life, I woukd have bought her cigarettes, the morning she went in to get her operation she was so nervous, she realised she forgot her cigarettes and asked me to go outside and ask someone for a cigarette and I refused, firstly I was embarrassed to ask someone and secondly I was afraid as she was just about to go for major operation, she went mad at me, she got the operation and was left on oxygen and never smoked again, she only lasted a few months, of all the things I think of, I think why didn't I just let her have it, but I know that's not logical thinking, so can't advise but feel so sorry for you.

amigafan2003 · 24/01/2025 23:26

adminicle · 24/01/2025 21:49

The government could legalise and tax cocaine and cannabis, but they haven't, so the fact remains that one is legal and the other two aren't.

Your point about harm is debatable. I've never heard of anyone succumbing to paranoia and suicidal depression from tobacco use (as with cannabis - leaving aside that many users mix it with tobacco anyway) and otherwise healthy people don't suddenly drop dead from a tobacco overdose (as is possible with cocaine).

75k in the UK die each year from smoking related causes versus 40 for weed and 1100 for cocaine.

anonymous98 · 24/01/2025 23:04

YANBU.
My mother has a drinking problem, so I refuse to buy her alcohol.
Yes, she will get her hands on it either way, but I don't feel comfortable enabling her.
It's hard watching a loved one be addicted to something harmful. My sympathies 💕

Copperoliverbear · 24/01/2025 22:51

I wouldn't buy anyone cigarettes ill or not I can't stand the things, you are doing the right thing x

Wheech · 24/01/2025 22:16

You're being placed in a horrible situation where you feel guilty if you deprive her and guilty if you bring her something that will hasten her death. My lovely mum is similar (and has also given up after a long spell in hospital and gone straight back to smoking when out - from comments on this thread not an unusual situation) and I hate cigarettes and tobacco companies with a passion. There isn't a right answer and I'm sorry you're in this situation.

Couldbysunny · 24/01/2025 22:04

RobertaFirmino · 24/01/2025 21:56

She doesn't have decades. I'm sorry to be blunt but it's more likely to be one decade. The damage was done a long time ago and on top of that, she has MS.

I'd get her the cigs.

The MS is well managed and slow progressing. Yes it may shorten her life slightly on its own, but not by much apparently. The only real effect it's had over the last 20 years is that she can't walk long distances any more. She uses an electric chair to get round town for example.
But she moves around her home unaided, has no carers or anything like that.. just me dropping by every few days. So she's actually in a decent condition health wise apart from her lungs.
She really could live decades more if she took more care of her health and followed the doctors advice.
And she's not saying to me "oh ill be dead soon anyway".. she's got all these plans, she wants to live. But she's in denial about how frail the chain smoking is making her each winter. She's a shadow of her usual self after this pneumonia. And this happened last year as well... but she got back to full health.. as I'm sure she will this time. But what about next winter?? The doctors basically said that she's lucky not to have died and that next time it could be her last... if she doesn't take more care of her lungs.
This isn't someone on their deathbed.. this is someone who could have good quality life left but is throwing it away

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RobertaFirmino · 24/01/2025 21:56

She doesn't have decades. I'm sorry to be blunt but it's more likely to be one decade. The damage was done a long time ago and on top of that, she has MS.

I'd get her the cigs.

Couldbysunny · 24/01/2025 21:56

85PercentFaithful · 24/01/2025 21:38

Not sure I agree with this statement. Being overweight influences multiple diseases, you may not have them yet, and have determined because you don’t you are healthy. It’s not like there aren’t endless leaflets and advice about losing weight yet you haven’t.

I’m being provocative to reflect back things you’re saying.

You don’t have to enable her but consider she has MS and is in a wheelchair. Of course it’s bad for here but maybe she sees it as a comfort (as well as addiction). Would you say she’s generally happy with life and gets pleasure in lots of other things?

You have to be more careful with your health as you get older.
I don't suppose I'll be able to eat this badly when I'm in my 60s no. Let's hope I find the will to get a grip on it!
But tbf as I said previously, my DH gave up smoking in his 40s because the GP told him it was effecting his blood pressure. And his blood pressure is back to normal now.
Your body can handle things when it's younger that it can't when it's older.
I'm mid 30s and currently have no health issues.. I know as I age ill have to take better care of myself in order to remain healthy.
We should all take advice to alter things when we have to..
I'm not the fun police. I'm not trying to make my mum miserable. She was told by a doctor she'd die if she keeps smoking. Not as an abstract "oh one day it will catch up with you!" But as a concrete "you have damaged your lungs and they won't be able to take another infection"

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Couldbysunny · 24/01/2025 21:49

Poppyseeds79 · 24/01/2025 21:42

My DM is still smoking away, chest infection hospital stint and first thing she did at home was light up a ciggie. She says it's the only enjoyment she has left now, 84, housebound, v poor health.

We do buy them when she runs out, as she's an absolute cow without them 😅 It's her life/choice really.

Well at 84 I understand! You could go any time.. what's the point in stopping what you enjoy just to have a couple more years?
But my mum is mid 60s.. it's not age to go really

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