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Teachers I need solidarity before I leave the profession

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Soniastrumpet1984 · 24/01/2025 17:38

I love teaching. I have done it for 22 years.
I am sick of parents moaning. Today has put the tin hat on it.
Here's my situation (this is not exact but an approximation as close to similar as I can get it without putting actual details.)
Let's say I've been teaching French bakery recipes to my cooking club. A local French bakery has offered to host 5 students( in its tiny kitchen) on Saturday morning at 7.30am before they open so they can watch the pastry chef making the items. This is a total favour and just a nice thing they do not have to do. They did this as on my way to work, I was chatting whilst waiting to get my coffee. I as a teacher have agreed to give up my Saturday morning to take them. Every child in cookery club was offered the experience, by email with their parent copied in. It was NOT first come first served, they were clearly told if there's more than 5, we will draw out of a hat. There were more than 5 interested , so I wrote them all on pieces of paper and trotted next door to a different teacher, who came and drew 5 names out. Now I have Two parental complaints demanding to see photos of the slips and why didn't I video the draw and provide evidence. I know it's Friday and I'm tired but fuck I want to leave.

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Longma · 25/01/2025 08:50

TizerorFizz · 24/01/2025 22:44

Hmmm! Was an accident waiting to happen. All or nothing really. Don’t disappoint dc. They didn’t see it as fair. I get it’s a club but some of these dc probably get balloted out half thd time. One of my dc did. Never got the rub of rhd green. It maybe should have been two visits or no visits. It does feel horrible to Llose out. As a parent I would not complain though. I’d keep my thoughts to myself but I’d feel my dc had been left out when a bit of planning could have changed things.

By the way, clock watching snd professional don’t sit well together. Many professions have to go above and beyond. Just think of your pension.

Two visits would have been 10 out of 30, rather than 5 - why is that better? And why should the op give up two of her weekends, free of charge? Just so that you don't have to parent your child and help them to develop resilience.

Surely most children learn much younger that they don't always get to do everything every time?

discocherry · 25/01/2025 08:49

Soniastrumpet1984 · 24/01/2025 20:45

I think we should have a stricter email policy, they should all stream through the office and be filtered

This is how it is in my school. Our Head will categorically not allow parents to email us. They have a very brief contact form that goes to the office and any horrible ones just don’t go to us - they go to SLT who are pretty invariably supportive of staff. I was actually chatting to one of our assistant heads in the pub last night and he said that dealing with everyone’s difficult parents is the absolute worst thing about his job. He certainly has to have some very broad shoulders to hold it all.

Kurokurosuke · 25/01/2025 08:49

brummumma · 24/01/2025 20:52

Not at all

I'm just saying it wasn't the best idea and was always going to cause grief when such a small number of children could attend. Why make life harder for yourself?

So that some children could have a nice time! Life is full of events that not everyone can do. Why can the kids who didn’t go learn to be please for the ones who did? Surely this is a great opportunity for parents to teach their kids about this!

I think you are the answer to why so many teachers are leaving.

oakleaffy · 25/01/2025 08:47

Pomsy · 24/01/2025 17:57

I wasn’t a teacher, I was a TA. I have nothing but admiration for you and other teachers.
I don’t think people can fully appreciate the amount of effort teachers go to unless they have witnessed it.
I resigned because even as a TA I was under immense pressure. Particularly trying to support children with behavioural issues. I’ve been hit, kicked, bitten, spat at and was once hit so hard in the face my glasses broke. Some of those children had SEN but not all.The senior leadership team did nothing to support me, and parents just don’t care, many of them refusing to accept just how poor their child’s behaviour is.

TA's at one time did fun stuff - but now they need full body armour.

A friend really loved children and thought a TA role would be nice, but she too was attacked so badly by a child she 1:1 that she had to give up work.

Some really appalling behaviour about in schools nowadays.

Longma · 25/01/2025 08:47

Embroideryemma · 24/01/2025 21:37

In primary we were told to email the teacher. I emailed the teacher. The head called me out for emailing the teacher at 10:30 at night. As though I have a choice about when to squeeze life admin in.

In secondary (state) we have to email the admin office, who seem to delete all messages immediately as no one ever gets back to us ever. Even when my child was struggling with severe mental ill health. Yeh I get the you are busy, but either offer communication or don’t. Don’t offer it but not respond.

Why didn't you use scheduled send, and have it sent during working hours? On most email accounts it's a simple case of tapping 1 or 2 additional buttons before hitting send.

I use this for whenever I send anyone work-based or professional emails

Bringmeahigherlove · 25/01/2025 08:42

Soniastrumpet1984 · 25/01/2025 08:35

Thank you

The 'you can't win' quote sums it up.
When schools stop doing trips, visits, extras, clubs they go down hill.
Parents seem to think clubs are a right. They don't understand its a teacher giving up their break or after school

Completely agree. Some parents are so appreciative and go out of their way to thank you. It is the few who spoil it for the majority.

Disappointment is a normal human emotion and a one they are going to come across many many times in their life. It may sound dramatic but it genuinely feels like society is broken. The social contract is breaking down and individualism is taking over.

Superhansrantowindsor · 25/01/2025 08:42

I wouldn’t reply. Honestly. Let them waste their time taking it further if they want but I wouldn’t waste a single second on them.
No wonder kids have no resilience- disappointment is a normal human emotion we need to learn to cope with.

Longma · 25/01/2025 08:39

brummumma · 24/01/2025 20:24

As a parent to be honest I'd wonder why you would offer such an experience when only 5 out of 30 kids had a chance to go? The overwhelming majority of pupils are going to miss out and be disappointed and surely that's not the aim of it? I hate the whole "name out of hats" way of doing a draw - maybe because I've never won anything that way either 😂

If you were confused about the offer and concerned your child would be so disappointed, then you'd simply not enter their name and risk it surely?

Others can enter their child, explain that only very few can go this time and manage their expectations beforehand - parenting is the way forward.

There will be many times in a child's life, and as they grow to adults, where opportunities arise where only a handful, or even just one, person will get to experience it at a time. It's a good thing to learn.

Justwanttocomment · 25/01/2025 08:36

JMSA · 24/01/2025 20:56

Look at a recent thread on here. A kid pisses in a bin at school but it has to be someone else's fault. That's pretty much what we're dealing with these days.

Please link this thread!

Soniastrumpet1984 · 25/01/2025 08:35

Bringmeahigherlove · 25/01/2025 08:30

By willing to give up her Saturday morning so 5 children rather than none have a lovely experience?? Here we have it! A prime example of why so many teachers have had enough. You can’t win.

Thank you

The 'you can't win' quote sums it up.
When schools stop doing trips, visits, extras, clubs they go down hill.
Parents seem to think clubs are a right. They don't understand its a teacher giving up their break or after school

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Bringmeahigherlove · 25/01/2025 08:30

brummumma · 24/01/2025 20:32

It's not quite the same as a nativity is it though? Everyone has some part to play in the nativity and not everyone wants to play Mary most kids are happy with a reading or just a singing part not every kid wants a starring role. What you arranged was an activity that very few children could attend but you knew would be popular? Names in a hat is just a crap way of doing it as most kids (and obviously their parents!) think it's a bit of a rubbish system. Surely a baking competition would have been more appropriate?
I'm Not saying what the parents have done is right - it's batshit - but you've caused the issue here yourself.

By willing to give up her Saturday morning so 5 children rather than none have a lovely experience?? Here we have it! A prime example of why so many teachers have had enough. You can’t win.

twilightcafe · 25/01/2025 08:26

cheddercherry · 24/01/2025 17:44

Mentally my reply would be:

”dear parents, despite clear explanation of the procedure, it has come to our attention that some parents were dissatisfied with the process of selecting students for the extra curricular trip and as such we will no longer be running them and giving up our free time (unpaid) to do something lovely for your children to enhance their learning experience

merry Christmas and a fuck you too”

Send this (minus the 'fuck you' bit!

Soniastrumpet1984 · 25/01/2025 08:24

sadlater · 25/01/2025 08:16

In this circumstance the parents are being completely crap and I feel for you.

With the dietary requirements I do feel for the parents sometimes though. My daughter has coeliac and there have been so many times she’s been left to feel completely excluded and she knows fine well the staff moan about children with dietary requirements. I feel I could never say anything because the staff are doing a nice thing just not a nice thing for my child who is invisible to them most of the time anyway.

Say for example this trip had allowed unlimited numbers. My daughter would have been very likely unable to participate. That doesn’t negate that you have done a lovely thing to give up your Saturday morning but it wouldn’t have stopped her being the only one feeling sad at home either.

But your daughter feeling sad doesn't mean no one can have anything nice.

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Soniastrumpet1984 · 25/01/2025 08:22

EasternStandard · 25/01/2025 07:58

Tough one op, you clearly felt motivated by doing something extra. I’m not aware we’ve had any trips for a small group, they’ve always been for everyone

Also all emails go to a list eg attendance / office etc maybe you’d be better off that way

It's a Saturday nice extra

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Lookingfornewdirection · 25/01/2025 08:17

The way I see it is that kids get plenty of chances to be disappointed in life no matter what the adults around them do. They don’t need to not win competitions and what not to be taught about disappointment.

sadlater · 25/01/2025 08:16

Soniastrumpet1984 · 24/01/2025 18:05

I think the thing that drives me mad is that somehow I am always wrong.
If I do something nice like bring sweets in, I'll have a complaint that I didn't bring a range in that suits all the dietary requirements. If I do a class party, there'll be a complaint that a kid didn't get to have enough time on just dance , if I don't do a class party, a kid is disappointed as another class had one.

Parents only tell us we are doing wrong.

In this circumstance the parents are being completely crap and I feel for you.

With the dietary requirements I do feel for the parents sometimes though. My daughter has coeliac and there have been so many times she’s been left to feel completely excluded and she knows fine well the staff moan about children with dietary requirements. I feel I could never say anything because the staff are doing a nice thing just not a nice thing for my child who is invisible to them most of the time anyway.

Say for example this trip had allowed unlimited numbers. My daughter would have been very likely unable to participate. That doesn’t negate that you have done a lovely thing to give up your Saturday morning but it wouldn’t have stopped her being the only one feeling sad at home either.

sonnunny · 25/01/2025 08:14

What's wrong with kids being disappointed sometimes ? That's life

VodkaCola · 25/01/2025 08:13

blackbird77 · 25/01/2025 08:08

I once organised a school trip to the Houses of Parliament and Westminster Abbey for our students. Communication sent to parents that the coach would return from London to the school at approximately 7pm but that it could be earlier or later depending on traffic and was just an approximate time. I built in lots of buffer time too to account for rush hour traffic.

On the way back, traffic was heavy so at 6pm, got all students to text parents that the ETA would be closer to 7.30pm. Also sent a mass email out from my phone to all parents. Coach arrived at school at 7.25pm and the utter fury I was met with from parents who arrived that we were half an hour late was insane. Either that they were waiting around or had had their evening plans immeasurably disrupted by the change of timing. All the kids were grateful and said thank you but not one nice word from the parents apart from grumbling. Not even Nostradamus could predict to the exact minute when a coach will return in heavy traffic.

A colleague of mine was assaulted by a parent when the bus back to school broke down. The children were collected in another bus but were obviously late back.

blackbird77 · 25/01/2025 08:08

I once organised a school trip to the Houses of Parliament and Westminster Abbey for our students. Communication sent to parents that the coach would return from London to the school at approximately 7pm but that it could be earlier or later depending on traffic and was just an approximate time. I built in lots of buffer time too to account for rush hour traffic.

On the way back, traffic was heavy so at 6pm, got all students to text parents that the ETA would be closer to 7.30pm. Also sent a mass email out from my phone to all parents. Coach arrived at school at 7.25pm and the utter fury I was met with from parents who arrived that we were half an hour late was insane. Either that they were waiting around or had had their evening plans immeasurably disrupted by the change of timing. All the kids were grateful and said thank you but not one nice word from the parents apart from grumbling. Not even Nostradamus could predict to the exact minute when a coach will return in heavy traffic.

EasternStandard · 25/01/2025 08:07

MumChp · 25/01/2025 08:04

Tbh I wouldn't go if not all pupils had the offer.
Case closed.

I don't think our school would do it.

VodkaCola · 25/01/2025 08:04

Lookingfornewdirection · 25/01/2025 08:02

Or it’s another thing they don’t win as only one can win

But that's true of lots of things and it's something we all have to learn to deal with.

Not everyone will get the job/university place/house etc that they want. Sometimes other people will be more successful. It's hard but it's life!

MumChp · 25/01/2025 08:04

Tbh I wouldn't go if not all pupils had the offer.
Case closed.

Lookingfornewdirection · 25/01/2025 08:02

ThejoyofNC · 25/01/2025 08:01

Because competition is healthy.
And a child who is crap at sports and not very academic might finally have their chance to win something when there are things like the pumpkin competition.

Or it’s another thing they don’t win as only one can win

ThejoyofNC · 25/01/2025 08:01

Lookingfornewdirection · 25/01/2025 07:50

Why does there have to be competition so often for little kids? Can’t it be a pumpkin exhibition instead of competition? Or baking without selecting a winner - everyone can taste other kids stuff etc…these are just examples but I would love more this kind of thinking vs always making it a competition.

Because competition is healthy.
And a child who is crap at sports and not very academic might finally have their chance to win something when there are things like the pumpkin competition.

fiftiesmum · 25/01/2025 07:59

At my DC's school (a few years back) it was impossible to ever speak to the teacher. The receptionist was like a nasty version of GP receptionist and parents weren't allowed on the site.
Do we want to return to those dark days.

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