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Teachers I need solidarity before I leave the profession

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Soniastrumpet1984 · 24/01/2025 17:38

I love teaching. I have done it for 22 years.
I am sick of parents moaning. Today has put the tin hat on it.
Here's my situation (this is not exact but an approximation as close to similar as I can get it without putting actual details.)
Let's say I've been teaching French bakery recipes to my cooking club. A local French bakery has offered to host 5 students( in its tiny kitchen) on Saturday morning at 7.30am before they open so they can watch the pastry chef making the items. This is a total favour and just a nice thing they do not have to do. They did this as on my way to work, I was chatting whilst waiting to get my coffee. I as a teacher have agreed to give up my Saturday morning to take them. Every child in cookery club was offered the experience, by email with their parent copied in. It was NOT first come first served, they were clearly told if there's more than 5, we will draw out of a hat. There were more than 5 interested , so I wrote them all on pieces of paper and trotted next door to a different teacher, who came and drew 5 names out. Now I have Two parental complaints demanding to see photos of the slips and why didn't I video the draw and provide evidence. I know it's Friday and I'm tired but fuck I want to leave.

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noblegiraffe · 25/01/2025 17:54

Teachers shouldn't be put on a pedestal by expecting basic manners from parents. 👍

converseandjeans · 25/01/2025 17:53

@porridgebath

Just do your job then. No one asked you to be a martyr and take their kids away

Well that is basically what is happening. Teachers aren't up for spending 24/7 with a load of kids if they are not getting so much as a thank you & in some cases a load of moaning.

I think in primary staff are generally expected to take their class away. So I don't think they are being martyrs.

I think parents with your attitude aren't helping with the current situation where there's fewer teachers training than leaving. It doesn't take much to say thank you 🤷🏻‍♀️

converseandjeans · 25/01/2025 17:48

@porridgebath

Then don't do it. Seriously. I see so many teachers on here moaning and they don't have to be teachers. It's OK to admit you made the wrong career choice. Get an office job where you don't have to deal direct with clients or something if people annoy you so much

They aren't. Many young staff don't run trips or even agree to go. Lots of teachers are leaving.

It's not about the extra hours. It’s the parents complaining that is the issue!

I do quite a lot of extra curricular events & rarely see young staff taking kids out of school.

Soniastrumpet1984 · 25/01/2025 17:41

Fieldofunicorns · 25/01/2025 17:29

You don't get a job by having your name picked out of a hat, in fact nothing in life works this way. You try your best at the interview.
Teachers should maybe stick to teaching Monday to Friday.

Oh you're a joy

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sadlater · 25/01/2025 17:33

porridgebath · 25/01/2025 17:03

I think it's just one of those things you're going to have to teach your child they'll have to deal with. The world won't change for them and that's sad but it's the truth

Don’t worry we know this and she deals with it every day. We always try and provide when we know. We give treat boxes and then they don’t use them. It would be nice at school though if occasionally they made the tiniest effort to include her. The teacher buying something for her just once when she buys things for other children every Friday would mean so much to her.

Fieldofunicorns · 25/01/2025 17:33

MrsMurphyIWish · 25/01/2025 13:44

I haven’t run a trip since we got back from the theatre one night at 11pm and we stood for a couple of hours with a student whilst waiting for their parent to collect them as they’d fallen asleep and their phone was on silent. No apologies. My GCSE classes always ask if we can go and watch the modern play we study, I post a link to theatre tickets on our class Team and suggest their parents take them.

Sending a link on Teams sounds like a healthy boundary to have, teach during school hours and let parents do the rest.

Purpleturtle46 · 25/01/2025 17:31

You would have to be an absolute idiot to think that! 🤣

Fieldofunicorns · 25/01/2025 17:29

FallenRaingel · 25/01/2025 10:16

All your kids going to be unemployed then? They can't all get the job so don't bother going for an interview.

You don't get a job by having your name picked out of a hat, in fact nothing in life works this way. You try your best at the interview.
Teachers should maybe stick to teaching Monday to Friday.

Cakeandusername · 25/01/2025 17:23

If all teachers said no there would be no trips or clubs.
That’s a pretty joyless experience for children, most remember their yr6 activity holiday as a highlight of primary school.
Plus the longer term impact of kids not getting opportunities to develop resilience and skills.

rainbowsandcloudyskies · 25/01/2025 17:18

Don't mind not being thanked. Just feel sad for the children who are not developing life skills because of parents that step in / give in / blame everyone else and expect teachers to do the same. Developing the skills to manage disappointment, disagreements, unfairness, sadness etc are so important and we are growing humans that are deficit in these skills. A bit of rough play, a disagreement with friends, not being chosen, not winning, losing, finding your own lost cardigan, trying a food you are not keen on, having a go at something you don't enjoy or find challenging, sitting next to someone who is not your best friend, problem solving yourself to sort out an issue etc etc etc - are all necessary, important skills. Parents should be teaching their children these life skills. Most teachers (even with children as young as four) are doing their best to develop this independence for the pupils in their class (alongside all the other shit). Some (definitely not all) parents are hindering social development by stepping in at every tiny issue and also modelling complaining, confrontational, blaming behaviours to their children.

It's not really about the thank you.

Cakeandusername · 25/01/2025 17:04

sadlater · 25/01/2025 16:53

We would if we knew they were giving them out. We've always asked for a heads-up and we have handed in multiple things to be given out whenever but it rarely happens. We try incredibly hard to make things easy for people but we are not mind readers.

For our coeliac guide we obviously buy what she can have as far as possible but have asked mum to provide a snack box for cupboard just in case. I’d ask school if you can do similar then if someone brings in sweets or chocolate to share she can have something safe.

MumChp · 25/01/2025 17:04

sadlater · 25/01/2025 16:53

We would if we knew they were giving them out. We've always asked for a heads-up and we have handed in multiple things to be given out whenever but it rarely happens. We try incredibly hard to make things easy for people but we are not mind readers.

Most schools do better than this if a child has diet needs. At my daughter's primary school the lady in charge of the kitchen has responsibility for providing snacks/sweets at speciel occassions. She knows how to handle it and the teachers can consult her.
I would consider attending another school.

porridgebath · 25/01/2025 17:03

sadlater · 25/01/2025 16:53

We would if we knew they were giving them out. We've always asked for a heads-up and we have handed in multiple things to be given out whenever but it rarely happens. We try incredibly hard to make things easy for people but we are not mind readers.

I think it's just one of those things you're going to have to teach your child they'll have to deal with. The world won't change for them and that's sad but it's the truth

porridgebath · 25/01/2025 17:01

whyhere · 25/01/2025 16:26

On the contrary - there are no pedestals high enough!

(Non-teacher here who has done a lot of work in schools and has the greatest possible respect for the teaching profession.)

Can't believe how many of 'those' parents there are on this thread. Absolutely zero self-awareness.

I'm not one of those parents if you're referring to me.

Teachers really aren't that special

sadlater · 25/01/2025 16:53

MumChp · 25/01/2025 16:16

Why don't you hand the teacher an Easter Egg to pass your daughter?

The teacher might not know what is safe to buy. I am no milk and gluten diet - often people don't want to leave me out but don't no the options.

We would if we knew they were giving them out. We've always asked for a heads-up and we have handed in multiple things to be given out whenever but it rarely happens. We try incredibly hard to make things easy for people but we are not mind readers.

MumChp · 25/01/2025 16:49

Cherrysoup · 25/01/2025 15:47

Think we’re all aware of this, but being in charge of 40 students 24/7 is a bit different from doing unpaid overtime. One residential I supported, not me in charge, we had one child who had a severe reaction and mum had to collect. She had extremely sensibly stayed in a nearby hotel. The next night, we had one who couldn’t cope with being away so again, parents collected, one who disclosed something really serious so we were up all night ensuring he was ok.

Dunno why we do it, come to think of it, it’s getting far too stressful. Genuinely wondering if I want to do next year’s. I might hand it over if anyone else wants to do it. My boss has refused to residentials for years. Don’t blame him.

As a postscript, I do about 3 hours extra a day outside of class. I dread to think how much that adds up to, but it’s just normal for most people, in or out of teaching. I know emergency services don’t even get food/toilet breaks.

No it's isn't that special. Don't go if you don't want to.
If you don't want to be a teacher. Retrain. Di another job.
Don't expect people to be impressed of your work.
Lots of people work as hard as teachers do. Without a thank you.

Soniastrumpet1984 · 25/01/2025 16:41

porridgebath · 25/01/2025 12:58

I think you'd have been better off not doing it. 5 kids get to go and they could end up being the kids who already get advantages in life so it's not like you're trying to level the playing field. If you can't see how this isn't fair or even necessary then yeah teaching isn't for you.

Literally ridiculous

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whyhere · 25/01/2025 16:29

porridgebath · 25/01/2025 15:54

Yes

Well read it again!

whyhere · 25/01/2025 16:26

porridgebath · 25/01/2025 14:32

I would but those two things are not comparable. Teachers shouldn't be put on a pedestal

On the contrary - there are no pedestals high enough!

(Non-teacher here who has done a lot of work in schools and has the greatest possible respect for the teaching profession.)

Can't believe how many of 'those' parents there are on this thread. Absolutely zero self-awareness.

MumChp · 25/01/2025 16:16

sadlater · 25/01/2025 15:50

Of course it doesn't but the reality is that at school (and elsewhere) she gets so many less nice things than she would get if she did not have a serious medical condition despite our best efforts. When a teacher gives Easter Eggs to every child but mine she feels left out. She never gets anything at school when others don't. Today all her friends are going out for dinner to somewhere she can't go. Tomorrow she will be at a Christening and will take food but for a child their own food is never as nice as the buffet. Food is a very social thing and serious food allergies are hard. Having to check labels, ask questions in restaurants, and constantly worry about being very ill is not fun. And that's without the realities of a restricted diet.

If the staff all went out for a party tonight to a place that excluded only you you might be okay about that but many wouldn't. A teacher thinking one child should be left out of an activity which everyone else is attending without a second thought I find difficult and certainly in my work setting we would not think this was okay.

Why don't you hand the teacher an Easter Egg to pass your daughter?

The teacher might not know what is safe to buy. I am no milk and gluten diet - often people don't want to leave me out but don't no the options.

MumChp · 25/01/2025 15:59

Cherrysoup · 25/01/2025 15:48

Not saying we are, but a quick thank you as they collect their child would be very much appreciated. Blimey, no wonder people are leaving the profession in droves!

Of course we say thank you.

Our childen have only gone away with the unpaid scouts never the school. I always thank them and give them 1 kg sweets to their tea after the kids are at sleep.

porridgebath · 25/01/2025 15:54

Cherrysoup · 25/01/2025 15:53

Have you even read the thread?

Yes

Cherrysoup · 25/01/2025 15:53

porridgebath · 25/01/2025 15:53

Because they aren't being thanked?

Have you even read the thread?

porridgebath · 25/01/2025 15:53

Cherrysoup · 25/01/2025 15:48

Not saying we are, but a quick thank you as they collect their child would be very much appreciated. Blimey, no wonder people are leaving the profession in droves!

Because they aren't being thanked?

Cherrysoup · 25/01/2025 15:52

porridgebath · 25/01/2025 15:49

Then don't do it. Seriously. I see so many teachers on here moaning and they don't have to be teachers. It's OK to admit you made the wrong career choice. Get an office job where you don't have to deal direct with clients or something if people annoy you so much

Are we forbidden from occasionally moaning about our jobs? Jesus, there’d be barely any threads on here if we are going to be dictated to about subject matter!

Wrong career choice? After 31 years, I definitely didn’t! I love teaching, I don’t love some of the attitudes.

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