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Teachers I need solidarity before I leave the profession

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Soniastrumpet1984 · 24/01/2025 17:38

I love teaching. I have done it for 22 years.
I am sick of parents moaning. Today has put the tin hat on it.
Here's my situation (this is not exact but an approximation as close to similar as I can get it without putting actual details.)
Let's say I've been teaching French bakery recipes to my cooking club. A local French bakery has offered to host 5 students( in its tiny kitchen) on Saturday morning at 7.30am before they open so they can watch the pastry chef making the items. This is a total favour and just a nice thing they do not have to do. They did this as on my way to work, I was chatting whilst waiting to get my coffee. I as a teacher have agreed to give up my Saturday morning to take them. Every child in cookery club was offered the experience, by email with their parent copied in. It was NOT first come first served, they were clearly told if there's more than 5, we will draw out of a hat. There were more than 5 interested , so I wrote them all on pieces of paper and trotted next door to a different teacher, who came and drew 5 names out. Now I have Two parental complaints demanding to see photos of the slips and why didn't I video the draw and provide evidence. I know it's Friday and I'm tired but fuck I want to leave.

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brummumma · 24/01/2025 20:32

It's not quite the same as a nativity is it though? Everyone has some part to play in the nativity and not everyone wants to play Mary most kids are happy with a reading or just a singing part not every kid wants a starring role. What you arranged was an activity that very few children could attend but you knew would be popular? Names in a hat is just a crap way of doing it as most kids (and obviously their parents!) think it's a bit of a rubbish system. Surely a baking competition would have been more appropriate?
I'm Not saying what the parents have done is right - it's batshit - but you've caused the issue here yourself.

converseandjeans · 24/01/2025 20:29

I think parent WhatsApp groups are exacerbating the issue. When mine were at primary it was FB used just for info, reminders & photos.

I think it's got worse since people got email access on their phones.

Maybe they could take the kids somewhere themselves?

Soniastrumpet1984 · 24/01/2025 20:29

Children being disappointed by something when they clearly knew it was a draw is mental.
Ever heard of a raffle?

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Soniastrumpet1984 · 24/01/2025 20:28

brummumma · 24/01/2025 20:24

As a parent to be honest I'd wonder why you would offer such an experience when only 5 out of 30 kids had a chance to go? The overwhelming majority of pupils are going to miss out and be disappointed and surely that's not the aim of it? I hate the whole "name out of hats" way of doing a draw - maybe because I've never won anything that way either 😂

Because the owner of the bakery has a very small kitchen.
So it's better that no one has a nice opportunity cos everyone can't
Better make sure the nativity has got 30 Marys in it next year. Also let's make every theatre have infinite seats so no.one ever has to not get a ticket for a sell out show

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Soniastrumpet1984 · 24/01/2025 20:24

I know what you mean , it sounds obviously crazy with a bit of distance, but when you've been busy all day, juggling the needs of everyone else and then one of 'those ' emails comes in, it just makes me want to cry

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brummumma · 24/01/2025 20:24

As a parent to be honest I'd wonder why you would offer such an experience when only 5 out of 30 kids had a chance to go? The overwhelming majority of pupils are going to miss out and be disappointed and surely that's not the aim of it? I hate the whole "name out of hats" way of doing a draw - maybe because I've never won anything that way either 😂

Detoxify · 24/01/2025 20:19

Solidarity OP. Am leaving this summer after 25 years. Hoping to get into retail!
I was in the staff room forum yesterday and a parent even had the nerve to give their 2 cents worth in there.
I wish I could LOL out some of the batshit crazy complaints!
Shame, because if I say so myself, I’m a good teacher. I get on with the pupils and get good results.
No one will want to do this job soon…

OfTheNight · 24/01/2025 20:19

I think teaching can be summed up by the fact that nothing you do is ever enough. You can give it everything you have emotionally, intellectually and physically, but it’s not enough for the kids, it’s not enough for their parents, it’s not enough for SLT and it’s not enough for Ofsted. And it just turns into one big drudge really.

Soniastrumpet1984 · 24/01/2025 20:15

God yes. There's also an unwillingness to really move your kids on. You can be shy/anxious/NT and STILL make progress, work on your own personal targets and yes, be expected to engage at some level. These can be really small incremental changes, and won't always be easy, but some discomfort in a fully supported way is good. Otherwise no one would ever do a driving lesson, go on a plane , or even cross a bloody road!

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MinnieCauldwell · 24/01/2025 20:12

We know how these kids are turning out, you only have to read the other boards about young adults, not working, expecting to live rent free and do sod all about the house. Then it's all 'oh but their brains are not fully formed until they are 25'

I don't know how teachers can stand it.

ThejoyofNC · 24/01/2025 20:11

It's just a sign of the selfish society we are living in these days. The constant "it's not fair" about anything and everything in life. Nobody gives a shit about the good of others anymore and it's all about them and their true/authentic/real self.

Soniastrumpet1984 · 24/01/2025 20:05

Normal human behaviour is not expected of children anymore. We have allowed them to opt out of all societal norms like talking to an adult in a normal, not horrible way. Teachers have become expected to absorb everything

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forgotmyusername1 · 24/01/2025 20:05

Not teaching but went to a children's judo competition at the weekend

Was watching a match being refereed by a 14 year old and one lad lost. His dad lost his mind, called the junior ref a racist and went off on one for about 20 mins. The kid was fine about it. These were children about 9 years old. Saw him in the hall putting in an official complaint. Absolutely insane- especially as everyone else was looking perplexed as he did actually lose and we all agreed with the refs decision.

Hate entitled parents

WearyAuldWumman · 24/01/2025 20:00

One of our pupils went shoplifting whilst on a school trip.

The parents applied for a place for him on a school trip abroad. HoD declined, given the previous behaviour.

The parents complained. HT told the HoD that he had to include the thief.

On the ferry to the Continent, the kid was caught shoplifting.

bouper · 24/01/2025 19:56

I'd love to give some stories, this week alone I could give a handful of ridiculous requests or complete minimising of awful behaviour, but i worry they are too identifiable.
I work in a great school, in a lovely area. The increasing self-centredness of parents, and absolute refusal to accept or tackle any issues with their children is shocking, and increasing every year.
It does genuinely concern me.
It is still a minority parents, but a growing minority and it takes up so much time.
What worries me is there is a real recruitment issue, and no one in poweris accepting that this is a major part of it, so coming up with solutions around to help.

WearyAuldWumman · 24/01/2025 19:54

babiesinthesnowflakes · 24/01/2025 18:41

Are all schools as bad as this? I would never in a million years dream of sending an email like this and I can’t imagine any of the parents I know sending something like this either. But maybe I’m being naive and the other parents are actually a lot more batshit than they let on…

Edited

I’m now retired - theoretically I’m on the LA supply list, however.

When I was a middle manager, I spent a great deal of time dealing with entitled parents and I see middle managers in schools where I’ve worked as supply dealing with the same.

BookRecsPleaseAndThankYou · 24/01/2025 19:54

FreshAirForwards · 24/01/2025 18:10

“Sadly due to GDPR regulations we are unable to take footage including the names of other pupils. Thanks for your email.”

"...GDPR and Keeping Children Safe in Education..."

That ought to do it. 👌

EnidSpyton · 24/01/2025 19:52

I get it. Solidarity from one teacher to another.

The only time you ever hear from parents is when they want to criticise. All of the stuff you do for their kids out of the kindness of your heart, giving up your free time to do so - as well as often spending your own money - goes completely unacknowledged. It's incredibly discouraging.

I do loads at my school, Trips, competitions, festivals, school productions, you name it. Never has a parent emailed to say thank you, despite the hours of weekend and evening time this takes up, and that I don't get paid for.

However, if a child doesn't like the part they got given in the school play, or the coach from the trip gets stuck in traffic and we're ten minutes late back to school, or their child's work didn't get chosen to go in the art exhibition, I'll hear about it, and some. Every fucking time.

I just don't reply to those emails now. I delete them on receipt. I don't give them any headspace or energy. I choose to focus on the fact I'm not doing what I'm doing for the parents - I'm doing it for their kids. And they do say thank you, at least.

But tonight, you are entitled to feel fed up and ready to chuck in the towel. You organised a wonderful event and the kids who attend will love it. Have a glass of wine, bash out the email response you really want to send to the parent, delete it, then delete the parent's asinine email, and forget all about it.

Teaching can be bloody thankless but it's also the best job in the world, really. I say this as someone who's done many other jobs - teaching offers a satisfaction and purpose like nothing else if you're in the right school. And there are thoughtless, selfish people everywhere I'm afraid - leaving teaching won't free you of them!

Philandbill · 24/01/2025 19:39

babiesinthesnowflakes · 24/01/2025 18:41

Are all schools as bad as this? I would never in a million years dream of sending an email like this and I can’t imagine any of the parents I know sending something like this either. But maybe I’m being naive and the other parents are actually a lot more batshit than they let on…

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They are now. I've been teaching for over thirty years and the level of entitlement has become ridiculous from some parents. There are many lovely folk but those that think the school exists only for their child really grind you down. It's exhausting.

Soniastrumpet1984 · 24/01/2025 19:35

It's actually not about whether I reply or not. It's the constant drip drip of the only correspondence being negative. I have a lovely kid in one class. They were chosen to go and be an ambassador at a local community hub as past of a school project. Whilst they were there we had done hot chocolates for other students, the parent complained that her child missed out on a hot chocolate.

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coxesorangepippin · 24/01/2025 19:20

have Two parental complaints demanding to see photos of the slips and why didn't I video the draw and provide evidence.

^

One word

No

noblegiraffe · 24/01/2025 19:20

Parents wonder why kids don't go on so many school trips these days. Honestly they are not worth the bother of organising because there's always some sort of batshittery like this.

Feelingleftoutagain · 24/01/2025 19:13

This is why I left teaching, the long hours with management continually on your back to batshit parents who believe their little precious can do no wrong.

Bringmeahigherlove · 24/01/2025 19:13

Imagine what this generation of children are going to be like as parents! The absolute entitlement and selfishness of people is unbelievable. You have my sympathy.

pimplebum · 24/01/2025 19:06

Dear parent
thank you for volunteering to run a school trip
the owner of the bakery is expecting you at
6 am next Saturday
many thanks