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Living with a partner who is used to SAHM / homemaker dynamic

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glensof · 24/01/2025 17:08

Moved in together with a partner (6 months ago), and need advice.

Our relationship is brilliant in all respects, apart from one: he does absolutely zero "housework" of any sorts. Not only physical things (dishes, laundry, cooking, minor diy and such), but also no "mental load" of any sorts (doctor's appointments, bills, insurance, subscriptions - all his own). His level of competence in domestic duties / life admin is roughly at the level of a pre-schooler - I am serious.

All his previous partners / wives have been 100% homemakers (whether there were children in the relationship or not), and he doesn't have much experience living on his own, or with a woman who has to work for a living. He's been exceptionally financially successful in the past so it was no issue at all, but now his circumstances have changed quite dramatically and it is no longer the case.

I am the only breadwinner now, and it started to annoy me that after a long stressful work day I have a second shift picking his socks from the floor and collecting dishes / mugs from the house. We discussed it openly and he does fully understand where I am coming from, and is very apologetic. If I ask him explicitly to do something, he will do with absolutely no complaints - but I just can't constantly micromanage an adult to this level ("go and pick up your socks first darling, and then we'll discuss current affairs and geopolitics"). I feel like a nagging shallow bitch so I just do it myself. His problem is that he can't immediately unlearn nearly 40 years of previous coupled life - he's used to socks and mugs magically disappearing, the car somehow always being fully charged just when he needs it, fairies delivering a delicious dinner straight to the table each night and dentist appointments in his calendar just popping up when the time comes. He genuinely just doesn't see these tasks, understand how long they take or how frequently they need to be done - they don't even register with him as "something that needs to be done for my comfort by someone".

I love him to bits and I really, really want this to work. There's so much that is right about him, and I want this to be the last relationship in my life (in a good way). This post is not to complain, but genuinely to seek advice on how to fix the situation. I am quite a messy creature myself, and have a higher than average tolerance to domestic chaos - but it now started getting even to me, and I was a bit snappy several times.

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MrsElijahMikaelson1 · 27/01/2025 08:13

Pessismistic · 26/01/2025 15:29

If you read her earlier post she actually wrote she doesn’t want him to leave as she loves him so much so what’s her alternative?

There are actually many suggestions on this thread. And I suspect that however much OP loves him now and doesn’t want to leave him right now, that over time any love, passion and respect that she currently has for him will be eroded if this is not sorted out and she will be making him leave her home.

And in all honesty if she doesn’t have the conversation with him and he doesn’t reflect and step up to the plate then that will be soon. There is no passion and respect from (or due to) a man who thinks a woman should pick up his dirty socks from wherever he chooses to take them off and leave them.

Calliecarpa · 27/01/2025 08:04

Another poster used the word 'groupie', and the OP's updates brought the exact same word to my mind too. So now we know that the cocklodger amazingly awesome partner is in a creative field, perhaps quite famous even, or at least well known or renowned in his particular field. Seems as though for his entire adult life, women have been cooing 'Oh, isn't Johnny so wonderfully special and talented and unique? Of course he can't be expected to lower himself to caring about things like dirty cups and buying loo roll, lke ordinary people have to do. We'll take care of that for him! We're not worthy!' I can imagine that he's very charismatic and charming, and that some women easily fall under his spell, as the OP has done. Problem is though, after a few years the spell wears off, hence his pattern of cohabiting relationships for the last four decades that last roughly 10 years.

CortieTat · 27/01/2025 07:55

i wouldn’t say the age difference is outrageous, it is what it is, but it clearly puts you in a disadvantaged position. This was the exact age difference between my PIL. MIL met FIL when he was in his prime, a very successful career, living independently and amicably divorced. They’ve been together for a long time, raised children together and contributed equally to the household.

The age gap was still very obvious as FIL grew older and my MIL had become resentful and unhappy, it was obvious she deeply regretted her decision, although my FIL worked part-time till his death, was in relatively good health, cooked, paid for a cleaner, and managed a lion share of their life admin. Still, he was an old man with all the minor health issues of old men and very obviously at a completely different life stage than hers. She never had to become his carer and still the age gap put her at a disadvantage.

Your situation is very different and you have already started at a much more unequal/disadvantaged position.

Cosyblankets · 27/01/2025 07:49

glensof · 26/01/2025 21:15

No, but those are really not material in my budget. Never even occurred to me to charge people living / staying with me for these.

He doesn't pay anything? Is your philosophy that the house is yours so you'd be paying the bills etc anyway? We have a situation like this in that my husband moved into my house so i was used to paying everything, except he pays his way.
Your bloke doesn't pay for food, doesn't pay any bills, doesn't do anything?

CameltoeParkerBowles · 27/01/2025 07:37

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Idontjetwashthefucker · 27/01/2025 07:35

Why did you bother posting OP because you're not listening to anyone

Lentilweaver · 27/01/2025 07:33

People are making suggestions the OP has already rejected. She doesn't want to live separately.
Hire a PA or maybe a virtual assistant and increase cleaner to daily as you say you don't want to keep tabs.

User7288339 · 27/01/2025 07:29

Baffled as to how you could not have noticed these traits before he moved in, and baffled how this doesn’t make him deeply unattractive to you.

Communication is key, you just need to sit him down and agree some expectations if it’s going to work. If he can’t change then go back to living separately.

maddiemookins16mum · 27/01/2025 07:27

And yet his utter incompetence clearly started with his parents and how he was raised. A lesson to those with boys cos let's face it, it's rarely girls who end up as grown women living like this.

BellaPizza · 27/01/2025 07:22

He casted a magic spell on you!

StormyWeather01 · 27/01/2025 07:13

Wow I am surprised at the 18 year age gap. That makes the set up you describe even more incomprehensible as in why oh why are you living with a man like this? and also it is even less likely he will ever change.

Lentilweaver · 27/01/2025 07:07

As pp said, the only answer seems to be to hire a PA for him and raise your cleaner hours. As you have rejected every other solution.

I am not sure why you are resistant to that idea.

Shinyandnew1 · 27/01/2025 07:04

I am not significantly younger than him to the point where it is outrageous, there's 18 years between us

That is pretty outrageous.

So, at the moment, you're funding him and cooking/cleaning for him. Soon, you'll be caring for him. Is that really what you want your future to look like?

kiraric · 27/01/2025 06:39

Are you sure you don't have low self esteem?

Why did you gradually take over his life admin starting before he even moved in with you?

To me that is textbook low self esteem - thinking that his time, even though he has much more of it than you, is more important than yours

GreenCandleWax · 27/01/2025 00:59

Your English is fine OP, and you make yourself very clear. If this relationship is to continue he will have to step up. Its no good just outsourcing the jobs because his attitude to "women's work" won't change, and you will spend your mid or later years as a virtual servant to an old man who expects to be waited on. So you need to have a deep and serious conversation with him, and he needs to understand that he bears half the domestic responsibilities including the mental load and admin. He will need
to honestly commit to this and make a genuine effort to do it, and he will need to be successful. Tell him in all seriousness that you are not prepared to continue being a servant and take everything on and he needs to change his mindset.
Then, to "train" him you could make list of everything that needs doing and start on say a third of it the first week and build up over a month. If you are lucky he will accept the need, and make the effort, and take responsibility for some tasks. I hope he is clueless rather than selfish, but it has to change. If he doesn't step up, your choice is quite grim .. 🍀

penelopelondon · 26/01/2025 23:42

@NutsForMutts What probably matters more is if he is a kind person with a good heart.

A kind person with a good heart doesn't let a partner working full time engage in plenty of free labour when she gets home after a long day and he's been playing with his thumbs.

Caroparo52 · 26/01/2025 23:40

Don't fall for this op. He's looking for a mother/housekeeper/cook and bottleceasher not a partner.
Move on. It will never change

NutsForMutts · 26/01/2025 23:31

I think the OP probably can bring about some basic changes where he does a bit more and maybe they muddle through. Probably unrealistic that he will become a house husband after years of privilege/entitlement. I don’t think that is the end of the world either but as mentioned earlier I tend to suck it up myself with my own basket case DH. In the OP’s defense I think it’s unfair to say she has to see if he loves her or respects her enough to change. I don’t think clueless or incapable men don’t love or respect enough, they can just lack the programming or don’t really understand the necessities of daily life and grow accustomed to others dealing with such things. I don’t think it’s a measure of love or respect. Not everyone has that insight or empathy to understand how it can make the other person feel because to them it’s a bit of a non issue in the first place. What probably matters more is if he is a kind person with a good heart.

friendlycat · 26/01/2025 23:29

There is an age difference of 18 years and this will become more apparent as time goes on. I speak as a daughter who witnessed this with my parents.

But come on it’s really not normal that he’s not financially contributing to your household. Nobody can live rent free and then you are saying he doesn’t clean and cook and clear up after himself. Really this isn’t normal.

blueshoes · 26/01/2025 23:10

Come to think of it, his ex-wives and partners are probably glad he has you so they don't have to worry about caring for him once he starts to lose it.

Maboscelar · 26/01/2025 22:52

glensof · 26/01/2025 22:23

The part about this being a kind thing to do actually does resonate with me. Yes, there is some discomfort now and the very purpose of the thread was to make sure it doesn't fester into something more toxic with time.
I am not significantly younger than him to the point where it is outrageous, there's 18 years between us.

An 18 year age gap IS outrageous. It's a huge gap.

Bobafett2020 · 26/01/2025 22:51

glensof · 26/01/2025 20:00

I am reading and there were a couple of very useful suggestions. "Unfuck your habitat" a PP suggested looks like a very useful approach - similar to the pomodoro approach, but with detailed checklists.
I did not expect such a pile up, so I avoided participating since. I am not new to mn, it was a name change so I did expect some criticism, but I did not expect such outright hostility and people making up shocking stories in their head - and then attacking me based on that. I can't really believe someone suggested domestic abuse counselling or invoicing a person you love for household chores, so can't really engage with these contributions in good faith. I don't have self esteem issues, I don't have a history of abuse in previous relationships, my own children are well provisioned for and I find a suggestion that as a single parent in my early 40s I need to put all my free money into their inheritance rather than paying for a cleaner for myself to make my life a bit more comfortable quite funny - are there people who seriously prioritise like this?

If you "need to put all your free money into their inheritance rather than paying for a cleaner " why are you spending it on supporting this waster?

penelopelondon · 26/01/2025 22:48

glensof · 26/01/2025 22:27

I would prefer to live with him, but without extra work 😁
Or find a way how extra work can be outsourced to the max. The issue here is that the things that started to grate on me are not the ones easily outsourceable, i.e. have to be done by someone living in the house. The "mental load".

If that's the only issue then just hire him a cleaning woman and a personal assistant, if money is not an issue for you nor his freeloading ways so why just not hire help? problem solved. You'll be soon hiring a nurse too, that's going to be another chore so add her to the staff.

Mirabai · 26/01/2025 22:44

glensof · 26/01/2025 20:00

I am reading and there were a couple of very useful suggestions. "Unfuck your habitat" a PP suggested looks like a very useful approach - similar to the pomodoro approach, but with detailed checklists.
I did not expect such a pile up, so I avoided participating since. I am not new to mn, it was a name change so I did expect some criticism, but I did not expect such outright hostility and people making up shocking stories in their head - and then attacking me based on that. I can't really believe someone suggested domestic abuse counselling or invoicing a person you love for household chores, so can't really engage with these contributions in good faith. I don't have self esteem issues, I don't have a history of abuse in previous relationships, my own children are well provisioned for and I find a suggestion that as a single parent in my early 40s I need to put all my free money into their inheritance rather than paying for a cleaner for myself to make my life a bit more comfortable quite funny - are there people who seriously prioritise like this?

You’re 10 years younger than me and I wouldn’t consider a partner 10 years older with these habits. There’s nothing less attractive than an old man who behaves like a child. Surely this is not your only option? You’re still young.

snowflakelake · 26/01/2025 22:41

You are young enough to be his kid.
OP seriously this is now so daft I'm wondering if it's fiction.
But I'm going to assume it isn't and ask you to think about why you have such a low bar for relationships and to really work on that.
This is very dysfunctional.