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Living with a partner who is used to SAHM / homemaker dynamic

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glensof · 24/01/2025 17:08

Moved in together with a partner (6 months ago), and need advice.

Our relationship is brilliant in all respects, apart from one: he does absolutely zero "housework" of any sorts. Not only physical things (dishes, laundry, cooking, minor diy and such), but also no "mental load" of any sorts (doctor's appointments, bills, insurance, subscriptions - all his own). His level of competence in domestic duties / life admin is roughly at the level of a pre-schooler - I am serious.

All his previous partners / wives have been 100% homemakers (whether there were children in the relationship or not), and he doesn't have much experience living on his own, or with a woman who has to work for a living. He's been exceptionally financially successful in the past so it was no issue at all, but now his circumstances have changed quite dramatically and it is no longer the case.

I am the only breadwinner now, and it started to annoy me that after a long stressful work day I have a second shift picking his socks from the floor and collecting dishes / mugs from the house. We discussed it openly and he does fully understand where I am coming from, and is very apologetic. If I ask him explicitly to do something, he will do with absolutely no complaints - but I just can't constantly micromanage an adult to this level ("go and pick up your socks first darling, and then we'll discuss current affairs and geopolitics"). I feel like a nagging shallow bitch so I just do it myself. His problem is that he can't immediately unlearn nearly 40 years of previous coupled life - he's used to socks and mugs magically disappearing, the car somehow always being fully charged just when he needs it, fairies delivering a delicious dinner straight to the table each night and dentist appointments in his calendar just popping up when the time comes. He genuinely just doesn't see these tasks, understand how long they take or how frequently they need to be done - they don't even register with him as "something that needs to be done for my comfort by someone".

I love him to bits and I really, really want this to work. There's so much that is right about him, and I want this to be the last relationship in my life (in a good way). This post is not to complain, but genuinely to seek advice on how to fix the situation. I am quite a messy creature myself, and have a higher than average tolerance to domestic chaos - but it now started getting even to me, and I was a bit snappy several times.

OP posts:
category12 · 24/01/2025 19:06

glensof · 24/01/2025 18:52

He is not paying maintenance now for anyone as all children are adults. He's still supporting his youngest daughter (stepdaughter really, but he treats her as his own) through university.
His ex partners weren't left wanting - even in circumstances where there was no official marriage or joint children. If anything, he's probably on a generous side in that respect compared to an "average" man.

So you're basically supporting him and his stepdaughter financially?

Dontbeme · 24/01/2025 19:06

glensof · 24/01/2025 18:52

He is not paying maintenance now for anyone as all children are adults. He's still supporting his youngest daughter (stepdaughter really, but he treats her as his own) through university.
His ex partners weren't left wanting - even in circumstances where there was no official marriage or joint children. If anything, he's probably on a generous side in that respect compared to an "average" man.

It's easy for him to be generous when you pay all his bills, do all his life admin and feed and house him. How has he got to his 60's with a "successful" business but having to rent a mates spare room, have that mate's wife cook and clean for him before the lazy barnacle attached himself to you? Why was he not housing himself?

You are his retirement plan OP, you will be wiping his arse, paying for the toilet paper and be expected to plaster on a smile for the pleasure of doing so. Are you not angry that he's happy to see you going out to work everyday and he does nothing to ensure the home is clean, comfortable and a meal is ready for you at the end of a long working day? Are you not angry that he's so disrespectful of the efforts you make to care for him while he offers fuck all?

Gioia1 · 24/01/2025 19:06

@glensof Didn’t something click in your head when you heard that, prior to you, he had already had 3 relationships that lasted ten+ years?

Snapncrackle · 24/01/2025 19:04

CherubEarrings · 24/01/2025 17:40

This must be a windup. No woman would put up with this situation.

Sadly plenty of desperate women do put up with this shit

outerspacepotato · 24/01/2025 19:04

You have kids and you're letting this freeloader suck you dry? 😑

They don't live with you do they?

Littlemisscapable · 24/01/2025 19:04

Please get rid of this manchild what are you thinking ?

echt · 24/01/2025 19:04

I'm not sure why you've posted really, OP. Or even if this is real. You don't seem all that bothered really; you've made a rod for your own back.

Might be worth thinking about how things would pan out if your health fails.

BeTwinklyKhakiPanda · 24/01/2025 19:04

Tell him to treat it as a project to establish a new operation.
Buy him a book on housekeeping. Tell him to read it and really think about what is required to meet the objective of having a comfortable, clean home and come up with a plan.
Agree some KPIs
Dinner on the table at 8pm nightly, at least 4 different things, 3 of which must be plants. Something different every night, nothing repeated within 2 weeks unless you both agree.
Keep within budget
House fully cleaned weekly.

Adequate quantities of underwear available at all times
Cat fed and happy

Meet weekly to review

Branleuse · 24/01/2025 19:04

so hes fantastic apart from the fact hes lazy and useless

NutsForMutts · 24/01/2025 19:04

Maybe it would be better for him to live nearby and be in charge of his own mess? You're not going to change his dinosaur ways. You could try leaving him lists, as someone suggested. Or give him a list of expectations that he must abide too. But don't enable his nonsense, you will only resent it more over time. Speaking as someone who is enabling a dinosaur.

category12 · 24/01/2025 19:04

he's used to socks and mugs magically disappearing, the car somehow always being fully charged just when he needs it, fairies delivering a delicious dinner straight to the table each night and dentist appointments in his calendar just popping up when the time comes.

He'll figure it out if his socks remain dirty, his car hasn't got any charge and his teeth fall out. You don't have to rush in to fill those spaces where it's stuff that affects only him.

And where it affects both of you, like meals - just alternate and say "your turn to make dinner". If it's beans on toast so be it. He might develop a liking for cooking once he starts.

Stop picking up his slack.

waitingforthehallmarkedman · 24/01/2025 19:04

I absolutely could not find someone attractive who did fuck all round the house and expected me to do it. He's bone idle, wants a maid as a partner and you're enabling it.

Hotflushesandchilblains · 24/01/2025 19:03

OP, check out Fair Play - there are a set of cards which cover all aspects of running a home and life - you can talk them through and decide who will do what. And what doing that job actually means.

Betchyaby · 24/01/2025 19:02

Betchyaby · 24/01/2025 18:57

Ok so what is your problem then? Looks like you're pissed off the cleaner isn't doing all of the cleaning so you don't have to.

Sorry replied to WRONG THREAD

Imbusytodaysorry · 24/01/2025 19:02

glensof · 24/01/2025 18:49

He was living 2+ hours away to be closer to his daughter who was finishing school. I had kids at home too. Then also covid times (remember that)?
No, he did not move with me when his fortunes turned, they turned pretty much very soon after we started (casually) dating. I knew him for aroung 5 years (more or less) before that.

These question are to try figure out the best advice.
You clearly have your mind made up so why snap at posters here. .

As a side note who pays for the cleaner ?
Did you need /use a cleaner before ?

Need to for a bitchy reply OP more just food for thought for you.

PeggyMitchellsCameo · 24/01/2025 19:01

Getting in extra help well you already have help is going to cost a small fortune.
And I am sorry but he’s clearly a capable man if he can run a business he can make a dental appointment.
While you say your friends are very happy for you, I would be very concerned if you were my friend.
Again, it’s not rocket science to handwash a few dishes, put a load of washing on or change a bin.
He’s behaving like teenagers I see in threads on here who treat their homes like a hotel and think it all comes for free.
I don’t think he has respect for you at all. I think he’s had his way his whole life. Imagine staying in a friend’s house, and your friend’s wife doing all the work? It would be a CF thread on here, too.
And if he’s in his 60’s he will get more stuck in his ways and you will just become a nurse with a purse.
Not sure how old you are OP, but your earnings should be going on protecting your future, too, not on hiring in more cleaners because this man can’t move a sock or a cup.
The best thing would have been for him to live on his own.
How does he cope with being a father?
And finally, at least don’t marry him..

AwaitingFreedom · 24/01/2025 19:00

This is the best relationship I had in my life.

You need to do ThecFreedom Programme. And soon.

Betchyaby · 24/01/2025 18:57

glensof · 24/01/2025 18:30

He makes me very happy and therefore all my friends are also very happy for me. This is the best relationship I had in my life. Honestly, I must be really shit at painting the situation as most posters seem to read something different from what I was intending to say. English is not my first language, so maybe that's the problem.

Ok so what is your problem then? Looks like you're pissed off the cleaner isn't doing all of the cleaning so you don't have to.

PinkyFlamingo · 24/01/2025 18:57

glensof · 24/01/2025 18:30

He makes me very happy and therefore all my friends are also very happy for me. This is the best relationship I had in my life. Honestly, I must be really shit at painting the situation as most posters seem to read something different from what I was intending to say. English is not my first language, so maybe that's the problem.

No people are reading it exactly as it is, you are in complete denial. You clearly have had a history of shit relationships if this is the best one you've had. If he's fit enough for "great sex" then he's got enough to do stuff for himself. And god knows why this would take 3 years!

BoringPackedLunch · 24/01/2025 18:57

glensof · 24/01/2025 18:56

Me, yes. He's native English. From Yorkshire, not sure if it is a hotbed of misogyny.

My husband is 55 and from Yorkshire. Does all the cooking and shares domestic duties more than equally. Not an excuse.

OP, do you believe he wants to change and do better?

glensof · 24/01/2025 18:56

Smokesandeats · 24/01/2025 18:53

Are you or he from a culture or background where women are automatically expected to do all the domestic stuff?

Me, yes. He's native English. From Yorkshire, not sure if it is a hotbed of misogyny.

OP posts:
Sophiasguitar · 24/01/2025 18:55

Even if he’s never had to do this before, are you genuinely ok with him knowing he’s causing you frustration and not working out for himself how to resolve that?

IsawwhatIsaw · 24/01/2025 18:55

FantasiaTurquoise · 24/01/2025 18:19

Don't laugh at me, but could you afford a course of CBT for him to change some of his thought patterns around housework and responsibility?

I’ve heard it all now. Unbelievable

VonHally · 24/01/2025 18:54

I wonder if his daughter "looked after him" during the partnerless fallow periods in his life. I'm guessing he stayed with his friend whose wife picked up for him because daughter had gone to Uni/travelling/work away/got married or something.

Could be totally wrong, but there's a pattern there somewhere of female guardian angels flapping their wings around him!

OhBow · 24/01/2025 18:54

OP I guess just do what you can with him, if living separately doesn't suit you.

But I hope this thread is useful for other women who are in a dynamic like this and are unhappy. I think it was reading this kind of thing on MN that gradually helped me wake up to what I was doing, though it took years to exit the fog.

And I'd never judge a woman in an unfair relationship, I don't like the "golden cock" comments, some of us were trained in childhood that we don't deserve any better than to be used and constantly prove our worthiness to the point of exhaustion.