Should the father of the 4 Hoath boys also be charged with manslaughter?

I had to stop reading when it said they were found under beds. The news is just awful today.

Not with manslaughter but maybe with abandonment leading to neglect.

If he didn't know that's another neglect charge right there

If you knew he was unstable and that the living conditions were as they were but wilfully left the children in his care and ignored it, then yeah
Has it been made public that he knew?

Don’t be daft OP.

The system should have intervened and removed the children from her. The fact she neglected and killed them (and lied) is not the dad’s fault.

But it's not a straight choice is it. Social Services exist and those children could have been removed from their mother. And they weren't. I very much doubt if the actual correct procedures were followed, in sequence. I also don't doubt that all the correct procedures were being followed up to a point. In my experience there is a big difference between the two. So often I read in serious case reviews that despite evidence that the parent was not following the child in need plan the plan stayed in place , sometimes for years. The next step it to escalate not to keep doing the same thing.
Sounds simple but it seems to be a lot harder in real life.

If you knew he was unstable and that the living conditions were as they were but wilfully left the children in his care and ignored it, then yeah.

I disagree. Ultimately their mother was the person who was at the forefront of the tragedy - but she was also at the forefront of everything else by default no and so that stands to reason. I think multiple failures must have led to this situation, from multiple people - no incident happens in isolation.

Legally, I don't know how the law would be changed, but philosophically absolutely the father walking away and leaving his children in this environment is negligent at the least.

So if your childrens dad murdered your children, or locked them in a house with candles burning and they were killed, do you agree that you should also be considered responsible for their death and charged with manslaughter?

I think I agree actually.

Furthermore why aren’t men who refuse to pay for or see their children routinely charged with neglect/Child Abandonment/neglect?

It always amazes me when randoms on the internet believe they know more than the professionals directly involved in a case.

I disagree in that she clearly was a poor mother and was rightfully punished. Like there’s a difference between a struggling single mum and being neglectful

Yep

More info here: Mum who left sons home alone jailed for fire deaths www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5ye7p34235o

The judge said that the mother was bringing them up by herself. He said that she had reached out for help, said she couldn't cope, but no help had been forthcoming.

So yes, I'm going to blame the dad for being a shit parent.

He must have known the state of the house, but what did he do? Did he take the dc to live with him? No. Send like he did nothing at all.

So some of this is on him.

I don't know enough about the case to have an opinion, I have only read the headlines. Is anyone else finding the news almost too much these days? I know the media focuses on bad news but there seems to be no end to these cases of children losing their lives in horrific circumstances. All those lives ended before they had barely begun

The basic premise that fathers should in some circumstances be held partly or wholly responsible I support. Just as long as it applies to all absent fathers, for example the late Cecil Parkinson or if anything happens to them, the children of Boris Johnson whose mothers he had not lived with.

Agree.

It's always the same.

They always come out of the woodwork after the kids have died, saying how heartbroken they were.

Very rarely have they actually been involved and trying to prevent the inevitable happening.

I always think it's surprising how little people talked about Peter Connolly's father in the huge attention the Baby P case got. He testified that the last time he saw him he was visibly injured and screaming in distress at going back to his mother's home - and he just handed him back over. I don't think it takes away any of the responsibility of those who tortured and killed Peter to say that his father badly let him down to a degree that I would call criminal.

Has the friend been charged with anything?
Surely any adult involved should be held responsible.

Don't be so fucking stupid.

Honestly 🙄

With their mother.

The squalor in the house and leaving them alone are two different things. He is just as responsible for the day to day lived experiences of those boys, but she is the one who left them home alone to die. It would be the same if a babysitter had left them home alone - he or she would be responsible.

He left them in the house full stop.

This.