Should the father of the 4 Hoath boys also be charged with manslaughter?

@Zebedee999
A separated parent cannot insist on seeing inside the other parent's home. He would have no right to inspect her home.
It's too easy to lay blame on him when we just don't know the facts.
Maybe he is a useless feckless father but we don't know the full circumstances.

Manslaughter, no. But neglect definitely if he knew how his children were living and wasn’t doing all he could to get them out of it. Hard to prove though I imagine.

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I live 10 minutes drive from the house. It is a tiny terrace and I can guarantee that every neighbour knew too - the next front door is about 8 feet from hers. Nobody did anything to help and if they did no-one was listening.

After they died they were painting bloody murals of the kids in the little park opposite and releasing fucking balloons in their memory. All too fucking late.

I believe (but would have to check) he left when the younger twins were a week or two old.

I quite agree. The absent father should be expected by law to be ensuring his children are in a safe and comfortable environment. It is unfair that everything is dumped on the woman. Too many men run away but expect full rights when it suits them.

They were 3 and 4, not under 2.

I found it odd the relative condemned her but there was no mention of the father.

Who knows? But the point is it's just completely unworkable and ridiculous to suggest he should be prosecuted.

Good question.
There's a case reported in Scotland yesterday, where a 6 year old girl was found dead alongside her father. Today it is reported that she was murdered. If he murdered her, should her mother be charged with manslaughter? Should the mother have known the father was a danger?
There is not sufficient support available to families who are struggling. Not helped by austerity closing Sure Start, fewer health visitors etc.

Why wouldn't he? He'd know what she was like for at least the period it took to father four children.

It clearly did make her a danger to her children, though - otherwise they'd still be alive.

This, and on the relatives all coming out to condemn the mother, but who did nothing to help or intervene.

She is not the first mum to have to cope with 4 children under 4. That she would find it extremely difficult I can understand but it doesn't in any way excuse leaving kids of that age alone to go shopping for non essential.

Why the heck is the father blamed for this utter maddening and selfish decision?

Don't know much about the case, but did her psychiatric problems predate the children?
Four children under the age of four, whilst coping alone, is a tremendous burden on anyone. Depressive disorders do result from that.
Yes, the father is a fucking disgrace, but society doesn't judge men who walk away from their children. People just say 'as long as he pays', as if responsible fatherhood can be boiled down to a monthly paycheck.

They were living in utterly disgusting conditions and had not been to school in weeks.

Yes, I think other people are responsible for what happened, and not just those paid to care.

Surely he'd have noticed her mental state at some point, maybe even seen the state of the house when collecting the children EOW as any responsible non resident parent would do if they couldn't get or do 50:50?
Why would he have noticed her mental state and/or assumed that 'state' made her a danger to her kids?

Sorry but is this thread based on any facts O haven't read yet, orissa it just an opportunity to once again put the blame on fathers for any wrongdoings no matter what?

It's a such an awful case.

The absolute crisis of our broken public services lacking any resources to help it seemms, is shown in this tragedy.
Also agree with everyone else saying these bereaved dads coming out after their kids have died should bear some investigation of why they neglected their parental duties when they knew their ex partners were struggling.

Just awaiting the usual statement from ss that 'lessons having been learned blah blah..'

@Inkyblue123
UABU in that we don't know the full circumstances.
What were the arrangements for care between the parents?
Did any other adults ever visit Rose's home?
Was the father aware of Rose's mental health issues?
What was the involvement of SS, MH services, GP or HV?
Were the children attending school or nursery?
Once more information is available then and only then can it be judged if their father neglected them.

I don't know. She had significant MH issues and it stands to reason that would spill over into other areas of her life. I suspect that whenever they broke up, she would likely have made things very difficult for him to see them - possibly partly as a way to cover up their living conditions, I don't know.

Nobody else here seems to have considered the absolute overwhelming and expensive minefield that 'going to court' entails for a significant portion of the population. Legal aid is a joke, it's long, stressful and many don't have the money or even know the right questions to ask, and there's no guarantees. And some people in some circles just don't know what their options are legally - to the point where it doesn't even occur to them that they might be able to fight the situation. Low income, disadvantaged people are largely ignorant of things like family law.

Statistically, yes, it's likely he just walked away, wriggled out of maintenance, and didn't bother with them. But I don't think making blanket assumptions and damning him to hell based on those assumptions is right.

I mean, she probably would not have been struggling so much with her mental health had she not been left in sole charge of two sets of twins under the age of two. Poor bloody woman must not have slept for literally years.

But he did leave them with the person who left them on their own with candles on. I wonder when he last saw them.

Surely he'd have noticed her mental state at some point, maybe even seen the state of the house when collecting the children EOW as any responsible non resident parent would do if they couldn't get or do 50:50?

If he didn't know that's another neglect charge right there
Mmm many nrp are not allowed in the house of the resident parent. That especially when indeed, the house is a mess. He couldn't force entry.

I'm still confused about what facts we know to point the finger at him.