Should the father of the 4 Hoath boys also be charged with manslaughter?

It would be interesting to find out how many night time feeding or nappy changes this stud has done in the last seven years.

She was clearly struggling and had actually tried to get help.

The father was not in the house all the same...

Not sure that shows a great sense of responsibility
Again, assumptions. We don't know. He might have paid for all and seen his 4 eldest regularly.

Or not....but we don't know and assumptions remain just that. Let's not turn them into facts.

The Judge stated she suffered domestic abuse. A totally distressing event all round. The step grandmother crying on tv hardly had anything to do with them. She has gone after the mother without looking at their own door and her step
son. Like people have mentioned before. All over her face book. Scummy family indeed.

What???

Speculation?

This guy had 7 kids under 4.

7 under 4 just taking that in....

Not sure that shows a great sense of responsibility.

Mum did wrong. Totally. Not arguing with that.

I said exactly the same. She is clearly mentally ill, but was left to try and cope and couldn’t. Where was he and all the rest of the family

Unfair to comment on this without knowing all the facts. Social workers had closed the case should they be accountable?

The fact remains they are his kids as well and it's not all on the mother.

And if he has even more kids, he's even more to blame.

He needs to keep it in his trousers.

However, with all those kids to keep it wouldn't be sensible to lock him up, he needs a job and to pay for the ones he's got left.

The pp was trying to equate leaving a child with a childminder with a dad (or mum) dumping the child(ren) on the other parent.

It isn't the same.

The father is unlikely to win any parenting awards, but if social workers beleived the children were safe in the mothers care, then what is the father guilty of?

I’ve seen cctv footage of her in Sainsburys on the evening of the fire. She is alone.

@Fireangels I know about the friend she invented. But in a report I saw it says she went with a friend and it must be on CCTV? So I thought this was an actual person, separate from this 'jade'. If not then I presume it was bad reporting.

No, same father. He does have younger children as well with another woman.

There was a previous thread about this case (before the trial) as I remember it the two sets of twins had different fathers?

So many assumptions portraying him as the bad guy and her a poor victim of circumstances without any evidence of either.

That's why MN is being accused of lacking Impartiality and being sexist.

Nobody knows the circumstances and what parent either of them were. All we really know is that a mum left 4 children 4 and younger alone to go and buy non essential products. Everything else is pure speculation.

No, we know they separated when the younger twins were 6 months and he soon had kids with another partner. But either way, anyone worth their salt would be proactive about getting a support system in place, not saying oh well if she'd asked I'd have popped round to help

Edit: and if he was a shitty enough partner that splitting to be alone with 4 infants was the better option, well, that says a lot about him too

Do we know that he is the one who walked away? Everyday on MN we read threads where posters are advised kick their useless partners and that no matter the hardwork, it's better for the kids. Could that have potentially be similar?

I agree both made bad decisions from the outset. But he walked away, doubling the burden of their joint bad decisions on her. She stepped up, took 100% responsibility for their joint bad decisions and is now taking 100% of the blame.

The mum gets ten years prison punishment for being completely unable to cope in a way that is completely predictable
This is unbelievable! She didn't get 10 years because of actions directly linked with her not caring!

She got 10 years because she left 4 children alone to go shopping for unnecessary items. That's nothing to do with not caring. That's just plain irresponsible behaviour that is not defensible.

It is no different to overworked and srressed parents who leave their kids sleeping in the car so they have an hour break and find the child dead from the heat.

Do you find this excusable if the parent is overwhelmed?

Exactly that. Heartbreaking situation.
Honestly I hope they can review her sentence somehow. The responsibility for not letting this situation get so dangerous feels so much more collective.

The mum gets ten years prison punishment for being completely unable to cope in a way that is completely predictable. She had already said she couldn’t cope, and she asked for help from her GP. None came. Social services must have known about the family. What help did she actually get?

We don’t know how involved the father and his family were, nor if she had any wider family or if they were involved, but the fathers family public statements don’t mention how they were helping the mum to care for the kids very regularly. It’s painful to think of how failed these young kids were.

She failed her children but she and they were failed by a lot of other people.

They were at one point. At one point she had newborns and one year olds. The next year she had one year olds and two year olds.

she is clearly at fault, but oh my gosh, reflect on that, she had four babies under two. That surely would break even the best resourced family, never mind a single mother living in poverty.

she must have been totally overwhelmed, depressed, and making very poor decisions.

The judge's sentencing remarks can be viewed online and give a fuller picture - https://www.judiciary.uk/judgments/rex-v-deveca-rose/