Should the father of the 4 Hoath boys also be charged with manslaughter?

Others bear some culpability for her being allowed to have the boys in her care when she should not have had any contact with them, but she bears responsibility for their death.

I have pity for her but can not feel any compassion for her.

What’s really annoying about a lot of the finger pointers on this thread is that I bet they’d be the first to sneer at twins called Kyson and Bryson and comment on what they were dressed in and not stopped to consider that their situation at home was abject poverty with a mother only just holding it together and a pretty much absent father.

Everyone in those children's lives let them down. They were dealt a shitty hand in life. The 'step grandmother' who looks about 28 reading out the statement wtf

Like most things it’s more complex than that.

I would personally say that four children lost their lives because of numerous adults; not just her. Neglect and cruelty to children is a societal issue. There has not been one case in the last thirty years I can think of where the final outcome might have been the culpability of an individual or individuals but others bear responsibility too.

In this case it’s even less clear cut. It’s that chain of events, for want of a nail. My personal opinion is that she is deserving of both pity and compassion. But perhaps that’s a bit too uncomfortable.

Don’t be ridiculous. It’s on the mother. Some women on here will do anything to put the blame on a man.

She has a life- 4 children lost theirs because of her. It isn't just.

Indeed.

I do think it was a harsh sentence but I also think that it was exacerbated by the fact she lied about ‘Jade’ being inside. I understand this but I also think it’s harsh to judge for a moment of panic.

It's ten years per child running concurrently

I imagine it did as she has been given an incredibly short term for causing the death of four children, its only 2.5 years per child.

If you read the sentencing remarks, they make it clear how much she's suffered and is suffering, including in terms of ill health. The punishment is probably just. She's not going to come out of prison and live any sort of happy life, she already has a "life" sentence of sorts.

dont know what he was suppose to do to prevent her going out shopping an lying thhat someone was babysitting-people risked their lives ccheking for someone else

I was thinking exactly the same thing. Feels like the single struggling mum is always the one blamed. I feel so sad for the boys. Feel like the dad's family didn't care that much until it was too late.

I don't think the dad is culpable but I think her sentencing should have taken into account her psychiatric state, disabilities and lack of support.

I feel angry the way the dad is presenting himself as a victim when he was clearly very absent when it mattered. The victims are the boys.

This isn't how it works

Thankyou. I have a GC born in 2018 and the HV in the new area where my DD moved to in 2020 had no idea of his existence in 2022 when his brother was born. There were definitely gaps in safety nets because of the pandemic visits not done etc.
In our case DDs HV has since gone above and beyond with GS.

Why are we not prepared to take children away from parents like this and put them up for adoption as babies? 4 children died, needlessly, because of this couple and because of her actions. They could have been adopted as babies and living in safe homes where they were loved and cared for.

The father sounds hopeless and feckless- 7 children under 4 is not the sign of a responsible adult- but he did not cause the fire that killed them. He did not leave them alone with a candle burning. She should be locked up for life- secure hospital or prison.

I can not understand soc services allowing a woman with 'very complex psychiatric problems' to have residential care and responsibility for 4 small boys. I just can not understand it. They clearly had ongoing concerns about her over a significant period of time. Most people with good mental health and a stable relationship and support would find managing 4 small boys full-time a challenge.

Social services knew about the conditions and they'd been in the house. The teacher said the kids were clean and well turned out. Maybe it wasn't as obvious as we might think.

Her health visitor was concerned but she retired a couple of months before the fire and no one else had picked up the case.

Who has 4 kids and leaves them? If I had 4 kids that age I would not have coped. Lock him up as well.

I read she was on the phone chatting to a friend as she went shopping. Maybe that is the confusion?

You're right,it's easy to 'father'

The judge did say the grand parents, great grandmother and the father were helping to care for the children.

I think if you choose to be the RP you have to accept the responsibility just like the NRP does when they have the child/children in their care.

Ridiculous question.

Legally responsible isn't the same as morally responsible.

I'd definitely say he was morally reaponsible.