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Circumcision should be banned.

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ArabellaScott · 24/01/2025 14:44

https://www.secularism.org.uk/news/2025/01/judge-and-parents-call-for-boys-to-be-protected-from-circumcision

Article describes an upsetting case of two doctors performing these ops without anesthesia, and with sometimes serious side effects. One boy nearly died.

The National Secular Society is running a concurrent campaign to ban all 'religious cutting' - that includes both FGM and male circumcision. I wholeheartedly agree that no baby or child should suffer in this way. More info:

https://www.secularism.org.uk/religious-surgery/

YABU - circumcision for religous reasons is fine
YANBU - circumcision should be banned (unless there is a medical reason)

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OnWednesdayswewearpinkIYKYK · 24/01/2025 15:33

You are being extremely unreasonable to associate circumcision with FGM.

Iwanttoliveonamountain · 24/01/2025 15:32

bournevilleismyfavourite · 24/01/2025 15:29

Yes it should be done on medical grounds only. I understand it’s a religious thing but we need to move with the times. We shouldn’t be modifying bodies without medical reasons or at least that person’s consent.

Edited

It’s not a religious thing in USA

randomchap · 24/01/2025 15:31

SquaredShoulders · 24/01/2025 15:23

Attempting to yoke male circumcision together with FGM is trolling, a bit. The former is a pretty small procedure with trivial hygiene/health benefits and no lifelong downsides. It’s also impractical to outlaw it whilst it remains a religious practice for two major world religions.

There are downsides. The foreskin contains between 20000 and 100000 nerve endings. The glans is meant to be protected too.

It's not a small procedure. Don't minimise it just because you agree with it, that's dishonest

bournevilleismyfavourite · 24/01/2025 15:29

Yes it should be done on medical grounds only. I understand it’s a religious thing but we need to move with the times. We shouldn’t be modifying bodies without medical reasons or at least that person’s consent.

FrippEnos · 24/01/2025 15:29

male circumcision doesn't cause any issues going forward once healed.

There are several anti circumcision groups that disagree with you

TheLargestToblerone · 24/01/2025 15:28

Macrodatarefiner · 24/01/2025 14:48

It's a difficult issue. I think genital cutting highlights the challenges of multiculturalism as being about far more than food and music. I think on one hand it is possibly wrong, and supremacist to impose my moral beliefs on others who belong to radically different cultures. On the other hand, I really really don't like it, I think it's cruel and unnecessary.

If you think it's cruel, and that cruelty is being inflicted on a child, then surely that goes beyond a moral belief? There is no religious or cultural belief that should ever trump actual bodily harm or cruelty to a child. I don't think it's supremacist to hold that position.

Icanttakethisanymore · 24/01/2025 15:27

Macrodatarefiner · 24/01/2025 15:23

Who decides that our moral limits trumps that of others. As I said, the name for that attitude is supremacism

Possibly, but I think there are some things we can be sure of. Does disagreeing with the death penalty for adulterers make me a supremacist for example?

Iwanttoliveonamountain · 24/01/2025 15:27

99% of men in the USA are circumcised

MrsTerryPratchett · 24/01/2025 15:26

As I said, I disagree with both.

I'm not going to go into the various types of FGM on here because they are horrifying and triggering to many. But if you'd like to Google the levels of FGM you can. The most severe totally disable the women concerned, making sex painful and unpleasant forever. Below (and you've been warned) why it's different.

Can involve total removal of the external genitals, including the clitoris, and narrowing the vaginal opening (by making a flap and sewing shut), removing pleasure, and introducing dreadful pain.

HolyGrailSeeker · 24/01/2025 15:26

Runnersandtoms · 24/01/2025 15:19

Although I agree circumcision shouldn't be allowed apart from for health reasons, male circumcision doesn't cause any issues going forward once healed eg pain, sexual dysfunction etc. FGM can make sex impossible or impossibly painful and cause severe and dangerous lifelong consequences for girls and women, aside from the dangers of infection and extreme pain at the time.

Unfortunately it can cause very severe issues of pain and sexual dysfunction for men who were circumcised as young children. It’s rare, but it does happen.

Actor Tom Rosenthal has talked about the problems he has faced following childhood circumcision and how he is against the circumcising of children.

SquaredShoulders · 24/01/2025 15:23

Attempting to yoke male circumcision together with FGM is trolling, a bit. The former is a pretty small procedure with trivial hygiene/health benefits and no lifelong downsides. It’s also impractical to outlaw it whilst it remains a religious practice for two major world religions.

eurochick · 24/01/2025 15:23

I can't vote as I am on the app but I don't think it should be allowed for non-medical reasons. It is frankly pretty extraordinary that it is still common in 2025.

Macrodatarefiner · 24/01/2025 15:23

Icanttakethisanymore · 24/01/2025 15:14

Whilst I agree it can be difficult, I think respect of different cultures does have moral limits. Physically harming another person is a moral absolute imo.

Who decides that our moral limits trumps that of others. As I said, the name for that attitude is supremacism

oakleaffy · 24/01/2025 15:19

ArcticBells · 24/01/2025 15:04

I had to be present for one ( in a nursing capacity). No anaesthetic at all. Horrific

That must have been excruciatingly painful for a young baby
They General Anaesthetise an adult / teen - a baby will feel equal pain, surely.

It’s like when piglets are castrated- brutal poor little things cry so hard. ( Pets are GA)

Runnersandtoms · 24/01/2025 15:19

Icanttakethisanymore · 24/01/2025 15:12

In what way do you consider them different?

Although I agree circumcision shouldn't be allowed apart from for health reasons, male circumcision doesn't cause any issues going forward once healed eg pain, sexual dysfunction etc. FGM can make sex impossible or impossibly painful and cause severe and dangerous lifelong consequences for girls and women, aside from the dangers of infection and extreme pain at the time.

Ohshutupcolinyoutwat · 24/01/2025 15:18

Totally agree, how on earth can it still be allowed in this day and age. Tradition and faith are not reasons to mutilate a child.

Raininginparadise2 · 24/01/2025 15:16

Mutilating a girls body through FGM without consent is abuse. Why is mutilating a boys body through circumcision without consent not abuse?

Icanttakethisanymore · 24/01/2025 15:14

Macrodatarefiner · 24/01/2025 14:48

It's a difficult issue. I think genital cutting highlights the challenges of multiculturalism as being about far more than food and music. I think on one hand it is possibly wrong, and supremacist to impose my moral beliefs on others who belong to radically different cultures. On the other hand, I really really don't like it, I think it's cruel and unnecessary.

Whilst I agree it can be difficult, I think respect of different cultures does have moral limits. Physically harming another person is a moral absolute imo.

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 24/01/2025 15:13

Icanttakethisanymore · 24/01/2025 15:12

In what way do you consider them different?

My answer to this is above

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 24/01/2025 15:13

Also I don’t think it should be legal to pierce children’s ears when they’re very young - although probably the age for that could be lower.

Icanttakethisanymore · 24/01/2025 15:12

MrsTerryPratchett · 24/01/2025 15:01

I don't think FGM should be lumped in with male circumcision, even though I disagree with both.

In what way do you consider them different?

GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing · 24/01/2025 15:12

I think that it shown be allowed for males over 16 if they choose, but not for babies.

I totally agree that FGM is in a different league to circumcision (of males, which is what the word means) and it’s important to stop saying that. I used to have a boyfriend who was circumcised and it didn’t affect his sex live at all (either in our relationship, before or presumably afterwards!)

TallulahBetty · 24/01/2025 15:11

12% think it should be kept - any of those want to justify that? Shocking

OurChristmasMiracle · 24/01/2025 15:09

for a child- not unless medically needed
for an adult able to consent- personal choice but not NHS funded unless medically needed.

oakleaffy · 24/01/2025 15:08

ArcticBells · 24/01/2025 15:04

I had to be present for one ( in a nursing capacity). No anaesthetic at all. Horrific

That’s awful!
A teenaged boy I know had a nasty zip injury that scarred ( he panicked and yanked the heavy jeans zip)

He was treated by Urology dept and given a general anaesthetic.

He said when he came round afterwards and woozily checked his dressings, the lovely nurse said “ Don’t worry! It’s still there!