Circumcision should be banned.

Most FGM is type 1 2 or 3 which are all much worse. Type 4 is more comparable but that's the least common.

As I said above, there are different types of FGM, some of which are 'less bad' than typical male circumcision.

Would you recommend rescinding the ban and "mandating pain relief and medical oversight" for less radical forms of FGM too?

The argument used is that FGM is probably much worse,,which is true and that the benefits of banning circumcision don't outweigh the costs.

I think other methods like mandating pain relief and medical oversight would work better.

Male circumcision should be banned (unless for medical reasons). FGM is already banned in the UK, quite rightly. Religious and cultural customs don't trump human or animal rights. For example Pagans are free to practice their religion but they're not allowed to sacrifice animals on an alter.

Multiculturalism is less important than the rights of children and animals. Where religion and cultural practices encroach on these rights, there should be a red line drawn.

Though it isnt in the Quran.

It doesn't matter if it's in the Torah, Old Testament or Quran or if it's just the cultural practices of particular communities.

What matters is that this is the UK and the rights of children and animals should take priority. Otherwise why don't we legalise FGM?

It's in the Old Testament/Torah. God tells Abraham to circumcise his male descendants ever after. It's a key mitzvah (commandment) in Judaism for this reason.

I get your point
If I was to have a party and invite loads of friends round and then someone with no medical qualifications cut some loose skin off my baby with no anaesthetic and not necessarily in a sterile environment then quite rightly SS would want to be involved
Why should that not be the case if I say I am Muslim or Jewish?

Probably because we know if it was an acceptable Christian and/or white practice then we'd be ok with it, because it would be the accepted norm. The uncomfortable truth.

I know this is an old post but I had to comment.

I’ve always disagreed with this. FGM is basically a tool to subjugate and control girls and young women, male circumcision, although used differently, is still totally unacceptable if it is done to children - with or without their consent. The fact it’s done for some archaic religious purpose is irrelevant. We don’t stone women for adultery here and wouldn’t tolerate it. There are many things that were done a very long time ago that were part of our own indigenous culture and religion that have been rightly discarded. This is surely a human rights issue - how can it not be?!

Ppl are up in arms when babies have their ears pierced, but this is somehow tolerated bc it’s in the scary realms of ethnicity and religion. Fuck that.

Circumcision is unnecessary mutilation or body modification, to put a more sanitary spin on it. Once it’s done - that’s it, forever. How can it ever be justified?!

How can the imposition of such a significant alteration to another person’s genitalia be approved and carried out by qualified surgeons - if they’re ‘lucky’?

This should not even be up for discussion and should not be tolerated here or anywhere else for that matter - it should carry the same stigma as FGM - I’m amazed it doesn’t.

Ppl like the poster I am quoting sum up the view a lot of ppl seem to share - they don’t want to be seen to be critical of another culture or religion. So child abuse should be tolerated if it’s done by a non-British/christian parent? We’ve managed to outlaw child brides and raised the age to 18 but for some reason physical abuse via non-medical surgery is acceptable ?! What if it was part of a culture to have sex with your brother at the age of 16, or FIL before getting married? Or having your fingernails removed at birth?

I cannot understand why ppl would rather not say or do anything for fear of being labelled a racist at the expense of protecting vulnerable babies and children. But then the whole child grooming travesty highlights the gross hypocrisy we have as a society for turning a blind eye to child suffering and abuse in specific circumstances.

It has to stop.

I don't get the religious argument. Is this just custom, or in the bible does it say 'thou must cut bits of your children's genitalia'?

I agree it's awful but I worry that if it got banned, it would still happen outside of hospitals and be even more dangerous.

I had to be present for one ( in a nursing capacity). No anaesthetic at all. Horrific

Could you provide the source of this information?

Most men in USA are circumcised, irrespective of religion

So there are no Jews in america?????????