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She doesn't speak English - pointless meeting up

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Dannnyy · 24/01/2025 06:57

My brother recently got engaged, he and his fiancée are coming to visit next week, we have met her briefly but have no relationship with her really.
My parents really want us all to go out for a meal, however she speaks 3 languages none of which are English. I know my brother could just translate and I have school level knowledge of one language. However I think it would be extremely awkward, and just not very fun. Apparently she is learning English but my brother says she's not in any hurry to get "good" at it.

AIBU to think it's pointless meeting for a meal in these circumstances?

OP posts:
Lovelyview · 24/01/2025 09:02

It will probably be less awkward than you think op. I assume the rest of your family (apart from your brother) don't speak any of these languages either so you can all have fun trying to make conversation. Try to ask her questions directly with your brother translating rather than just talking to him. Maybe bring a gift like some flowers to welcome her.

Dannnyy · 24/01/2025 09:02

I actually messaged my brother just to clarify which language it would be best for me to pick up a few phrases in before meeting, this was his reply.

French or Italian probs if you want to make the effort but don’t stress her English is fine for light conversation. She’s shy tho so might prefer me to translate, don’t take it personally tho as she’s just nervous that her English sucks and that she won’t understand mam and dads heavy accents. But yeah a little French or Italian would be nice (my Italian is crap tho so don’t expect me to help if you take that route).

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EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 24/01/2025 09:00

Im going to guess you think you are going to feel uncomfortable because they are living a very different life to you and (maybe) you feel a little provincial by comparison?

Christmasandallthetrimmings · 24/01/2025 09:00

Dannnyy · 24/01/2025 08:53

In all honesty I don’t know what her English level is, my parents have made it out to be very little past hi and bye but they’ve only met her 2 times and aren’t very chatty people. There is a chance it is school level English but rusty if she hasn’t used it much in adulthood. I only know what my parents have told me.

İf you've never left the UK then you won't realise that many people in France don't know more than a word or two of English. Just because it's taught in schools doesn't mean people can speak it. İt's kinda ironic that you're saying you're 'surprised' she doesn't know English, when you've already said communication isn't a possibility, despite you having learned French at school.

By the way language is only 7 percent of communication. I had a Ukrainian live with me for a few months and we had one of the strongest forms of communication I've experienced, despite only being able to use a couple of words together- we never stopped laughing after a couple of months.

ohmymyyiaz · 24/01/2025 08:58

Of course you go and make an effort! My SIL is from South America, it was chicken and duck when we first met but all in good fun!

Ilovegermany · 24/01/2025 08:58

@User757373 English is always the second language taught in schools across Europe so something in her story doesn't add up.

This is total BS, where I live in Germany, French is the second language. English isn’t taught until later in secondary school. I have plenty of friends that speak no English because they did apprenticeships at 14 and did not continue with academic education. So I’ve learnt German.

My parents don’t speak German, some of my other friends don’t speak German so I have to translate for my DP as he doesn’t speak English. We all manage and it can be fun. OP is YABU.

My own DD speaks and writes 4 languages fluently with C2 in three of them and C1 in the other.

Nottogetapenny · 24/01/2025 08:58

Translator app on your phone? There are some that even translate and change language as you speak.

DisforDarkChocolate · 24/01/2025 08:56

Sounds like she'll dodge a bullet if you don't.

She speaks three languages, she loves your brother. Learn a few welcoming phrases in one of them and practice using Google translate.

Ladamesansmerci · 24/01/2025 08:56

User757373 · 24/01/2025 08:42

In OP's defence, it is extremely unusual and strange for someone to know three languages but none of it being English. Without giving away identifying details, my work involves a lot of languages and identifying the degrees of fluency. One thing that many, many people tend to lie about is how many languages they can speak.

When someone claims to speak "3 languages", it's usually just one language and they only have very basic or no skills in the other two. Language bragging is particularly common in people with lower education levels but who still want to impress others. They tell everyone they speak several languages because they know you cannot verify if that's true.

True trilingualism in the sense of being able to fluently speak, understand read, write and think in three languages is vanishingly rare. It requires a high level of academics and (usually) some sort of international background. As a result, one of those languages is invariably English as that's the most common denominator across the world. Before anyone gets triggered by the paragraph below, YES there are loads of people in the world who can speak 3 languages truly fluently but over 90% of them have English as one of the three.

So in this case, it's probably YABU not to meet a potential close relative due to communication problems but YANBU to question why she told your brother she "speaks" 3 languages but is in no hurry to learn English. That is a genuine red flag. Based on experience, many people who claim they speak 3 or more languages are simply lying about it impress others or to embellish their CV. It would make you question what other things the are faking about themselves to make themselves appear better.

Lots of people are berating OP here because they immediately believe the fact that this SIL can speak 3 languages. I would say you need to question that first. OP, if your family has never met this girl and you only have what your BIL told you about her, you need to dig a bit deeper to see if she really can do all the things she claims. We don't know more about her family or work background, so maybe there are unique factors that make sense. However simply going from a statistical perspective, it does not sound very plausible.

Might have missed some posts but it sounds like she grew up in Western Europe? English is always the second language taught in schools across Europe so something in her story doesn't add up.

Edited

Lol. The world does not revolve around English speakers. And it's actually reasonably common in some European countries to speak a couple of languages well. My partner is German, but grew up bilingual with Finnish. She speaks English to the standard of a native speaker (most don't know she's German) and studied her PhD in English. She grew up on the French Swiss border, so learned French from a young age, and was able to read French texts for her PhD. She knows enough Italian to get about, and Japanese as she lived there for a few months and was into Japanese music for years so made an effort. Most of her school friends spoke French well. Also you are thinking of Europe. It's not commonplace in a lot of Asian countries to learn English.

It is not OP's place yo be questioning someone else's language ability. Even if this lady doesn't want to learn English, so what? She doesn't have to. Brits are awful at making an effort with languages and the majority can only speak English because we just think everyone should learn our tongue.

Also, it's nothing to do with believing her about speaking three languages. Even if she only knew one, this would be very rude. People moan about others moving here and not learning the language, but people here make 0 effort to learn languages at all, so I think it's very rich when coming from your average Brit.

Whoarethoseguys · 24/01/2025 08:56

Dannnyy · 24/01/2025 07:09

Okay fair enough I'm being unreasonable.

I think a part of me is just surprised she doesn't speak English when she is from a Western European country and speaks 3 languages, I thought it was commonly taught in European schools.

And this attitude is why other cultures think English people are arrogant. I sometimes feel embarrassed to be English!

Wonderberry · 24/01/2025 08:55

Surely it's a good opportunity to practice the language that you know from school with her? You could also try some English if she wants to practice.

I see family who don't speak English. I learnt their language as an adult. It's doable for both of you to make an effort.

CleanShirt · 24/01/2025 08:54

Why don't you stop assuming things and taking second hand information from your parents and meet this woman with an open mind? It will be good for you to broaden your horizons.

PoltergeistsStartLowKey · 24/01/2025 08:54

NeedSomeComfy · 24/01/2025 07:12

If someone has a baby, would you refuse to meet it until it could talk on the grounds that 'it'll be awkward if it doesn't speak English'?

Valid point.

I went to Argentina to meet relatives I never knew I had. I don't speak Spanish, they don't speak English and yet we had a blast. It was hilarious and I fell in love with them. They are amazing people and I'm glad I have them in my life.

ThighsYouCantControl · 24/01/2025 08:54

Of course YABU she’s becoming part of your family it’s important to make the effort. She’s trying to learn English (not an easy language btw) which shows she’s trying to make an effort with her in-laws.

Sourisblanche · 24/01/2025 08:54

My German SIL doesn’t speak a word of English and I’ve known her 25 years. She does however speak Dutch because of her husband so we communicate in that language even though I’m very far from fluent.

It was a bit tricky at first I suppose but I felt it was on me really to learn some Dutch. Do you have any French op?

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 24/01/2025 08:54

With that background she will understand quite a lot of English even if she doesn't speak. So don't make remarks!

Dannnyy · 24/01/2025 08:53

User757373 · 24/01/2025 08:51

Ok fair enough. That's a very unique situation where it's believable she could be exposed to all three languages. Northern Italy was formerly Austria so it's a weird pocket of both Italian and German. It's still very odd that she doesn't know enough conversational English? Virtually everyone growing up there will have learned some in school.

In all honesty I don’t know what her English level is, my parents have made it out to be very little past hi and bye but they’ve only met her 2 times and aren’t very chatty people. There is a chance it is school level English but rusty if she hasn’t used it much in adulthood. I only know what my parents have told me.

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Fetburzswefg · 24/01/2025 08:52

YABU. You’ll never get to know her, and never make her feel welcome, if you won’t open your arms to her while she’s learning.

Go to the meeting, be warm and friendly, rely on your brother and translation apps. Learn some basic phrases in one of her languages so you can use those too. It might be a bit of work but surely it’s worth it for the person your brother loves, and to ensure your relationship gets off to the best possible start?

One day (probably soon as she’s clearly very intelligent and capable with languages) she will be able to speak English, and it will make a big difference to your relationship with her, your brother and any future kids they may have if she remembers that before she learned the language you made an effort and opened your arms to her, rather than turning the cold shoulder because you didn’t think it would be fun enough to meet her.

ilovesushi · 24/01/2025 08:52

You are being ridiculous and small minded.

User757373 · 24/01/2025 08:51

Dannnyy · 24/01/2025 08:47

Oh no I’m fairly certain she does speak all 3 languages. Her mum is French and her dad Swiss German, she grew up mostly in Italy but a little in France. I asked my brother once what is her first language and he said “her phones in Italian, we speak in French but she speaks to her family/siblings in a mix of German and Italian. They met in France, she was doing a post grad their and her undergrad she did in Italy so I think it’s safe to assume her French and Italian at very least are to a very high standard.

Ok fair enough. That's a very unique situation where it's believable she could be exposed to all three languages. Northern Italy was formerly Austria so it's a weird pocket of both Italian and German. It's still very odd that she doesn't know enough conversational English? Virtually everyone growing up there will have learned some in school.

NormaleKartoffeln · 24/01/2025 08:49

Mixedmix · 24/01/2025 07:57

Only French is commonly taught in state schools. Italian isn't taught. I'm not sure if Swiss German is different to German. However, OP should learn French to communicate with her SIL. Really surprised that she lives in England but she's never come across anyone other than English.

Spoken German dialects are all quite different, across and within the German speaking countries, although many dialect speakers will also understand and speak standard German. Written German tends to be more standard although not completely. The two state schools where I live teach French and one or two other languages.

Whoarethoseguys · 24/01/2025 08:48

You are being very unreasonable, why can't you make an effort, for your brother. use Google translate communicate in broken English/one of the languages she speaks/speak through your brother.
My DS in-laws speak a language we don't, we have met them several times and manage to communicate fairly easily. We feel we know them quite well. It is possible. And you will be going out for a meal so there will be plenty of distractions anyway

Zonder · 24/01/2025 08:47

@User757373 given that she has loved in France and Northern Italy and has a German speaking dad it's not hard to imagine she speaks 3 languages. I'm not sure anyone has actually claimed she is trilingual.

It's also easy to see why English isn't one of them.

I speak 3 languages well enough to spend an evening in each, read books comfortably and watch TV, listen to the radio. I don't claim to be trilingual.

Dannnyy · 24/01/2025 08:47

User757373 · 24/01/2025 08:42

In OP's defence, it is extremely unusual and strange for someone to know three languages but none of it being English. Without giving away identifying details, my work involves a lot of languages and identifying the degrees of fluency. One thing that many, many people tend to lie about is how many languages they can speak.

When someone claims to speak "3 languages", it's usually just one language and they only have very basic or no skills in the other two. Language bragging is particularly common in people with lower education levels but who still want to impress others. They tell everyone they speak several languages because they know you cannot verify if that's true.

True trilingualism in the sense of being able to fluently speak, understand read, write and think in three languages is vanishingly rare. It requires a high level of academics and (usually) some sort of international background. As a result, one of those languages is invariably English as that's the most common denominator across the world. Before anyone gets triggered by the paragraph below, YES there are loads of people in the world who can speak 3 languages truly fluently but over 90% of them have English as one of the three.

So in this case, it's probably YABU not to meet a potential close relative due to communication problems but YANBU to question why she told your brother she "speaks" 3 languages but is in no hurry to learn English. That is a genuine red flag. Based on experience, many people who claim they speak 3 or more languages are simply lying about it impress others or to embellish their CV. It would make you question what other things the are faking about themselves to make themselves appear better.

Lots of people are berating OP here because they immediately believe the fact that this SIL can speak 3 languages. I would say you need to question that first. OP, if your family has never met this girl and you only have what your BIL told you about her, you need to dig a bit deeper to see if she really can do all the things she claims. We don't know more about her family or work background, so maybe there are unique factors that make sense. However simply going from a statistical perspective, it does not sound very plausible.

Might have missed some posts but it sounds like she grew up in Western Europe? English is always the second language taught in schools across Europe so something in her story doesn't add up.

Edited

Oh no I’m fairly certain she does speak all 3 languages. Her mum is French and her dad Swiss German, she grew up mostly in Italy but a little in France. I asked my brother once what is her first language and he said “her phones in Italian, we speak in French but she speaks to her family/siblings in a mix of German and Italian. They met in France, she was doing a post grad their and her undergrad she did in Italy so I think it’s safe to assume her French and Italian at very least are to a very high standard.

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Ladamesansmerci · 24/01/2025 08:47

Why don't you try learning one of her languages rather than judging for not being in a rush with English when she already knows 3 others?

My wife is German. Her mum lives in Germany, but is native Finnish. I speak neither (well I've learned some German now!). My wife translates and it's fine. A little odd but fine once you're used to it.

You're obviously being unreasonable here.

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