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She doesn't speak English - pointless meeting up

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Dannnyy · 24/01/2025 06:57

My brother recently got engaged, he and his fiancée are coming to visit next week, we have met her briefly but have no relationship with her really.
My parents really want us all to go out for a meal, however she speaks 3 languages none of which are English. I know my brother could just translate and I have school level knowledge of one language. However I think it would be extremely awkward, and just not very fun. Apparently she is learning English but my brother says she's not in any hurry to get "good" at it.

AIBU to think it's pointless meeting for a meal in these circumstances?

OP posts:
ladymalfoy45 · 24/01/2025 17:30

Find out what her post-grad is. Three languages and completing an MA? Or could be PhD if you ask your DB. A SiL with a brain the size of a planet and you're worried about a language difference?
I hail from a mining/ceramic town and we aren't as insular as your place seems to be.
AND I get by in France,Italy and Spain with language skills. Because I have a GCSE in French and taught myself Italian and Spanish . Because I'm not a knob.

SuziQuinto · 24/01/2025 16:58

It's strange that a Northern town is so mono cultural. There's usually minority groups living in them.

NewFriendlyLadybird · 24/01/2025 16:56

Dannnyy · 24/01/2025 09:02

I actually messaged my brother just to clarify which language it would be best for me to pick up a few phrases in before meeting, this was his reply.

French or Italian probs if you want to make the effort but don’t stress her English is fine for light conversation. She’s shy tho so might prefer me to translate, don’t take it personally tho as she’s just nervous that her English sucks and that she won’t understand mam and dads heavy accents. But yeah a little French or Italian would be nice (my Italian is crap tho so don’t expect me to help if you take that route).

I love that you did that, OP, and I bet your brother was (secretly) thrilled. I’m sure you’ll all have a great time.

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 24/01/2025 14:55

CharityShopChic · 24/01/2025 11:35

Imagine being so parochial that you've never left the UK and don't want to meet a future member of the family.

Mind boggled.

Not everyone wants to travel. My overseas holidays consist of one to Corfu and a few to the US and I hope I never have to set foot in an airport again, travelling is too much hassle.

I would however meet my future sister in law - although it might be hard work to start with I'm sure it would improve.

fairycakes1234 · 24/01/2025 13:49

Cluelessbee · 24/01/2025 13:42

God, you're miserable, poor woman!

How quick to judge without taking the time to read all the ops responses, btw she sounds like a lovely person unlike you 😘

RampantIvy · 24/01/2025 13:44

Cluelessbee · 24/01/2025 13:42

God, you're miserable, poor woman!

Please read the OP's updates.

Cluelessbee · 24/01/2025 13:42

God, you're miserable, poor woman!

fairycakes1234 · 24/01/2025 13:39

I can see where you're coming from, I've done it with brothers in laws and they didn't speak English and it was bloody painful and awkward even though we tried to make it fun so yanu for not wanting to go but I feel you kind of have to go if she is to become your sis in law and as support for your parents, best of luck

LondonLawyer · 24/01/2025 13:32

User757373 · 24/01/2025 08:42

In OP's defence, it is extremely unusual and strange for someone to know three languages but none of it being English. Without giving away identifying details, my work involves a lot of languages and identifying the degrees of fluency. One thing that many, many people tend to lie about is how many languages they can speak.

When someone claims to speak "3 languages", it's usually just one language and they only have very basic or no skills in the other two. Language bragging is particularly common in people with lower education levels but who still want to impress others. They tell everyone they speak several languages because they know you cannot verify if that's true.

True trilingualism in the sense of being able to fluently speak, understand read, write and think in three languages is vanishingly rare. It requires a high level of academics and (usually) some sort of international background. As a result, one of those languages is invariably English as that's the most common denominator across the world. Before anyone gets triggered by the paragraph below, YES there are loads of people in the world who can speak 3 languages truly fluently but over 90% of them have English as one of the three.

So in this case, it's probably YABU not to meet a potential close relative due to communication problems but YANBU to question why she told your brother she "speaks" 3 languages but is in no hurry to learn English. That is a genuine red flag. Based on experience, many people who claim they speak 3 or more languages are simply lying about it impress others or to embellish their CV. It would make you question what other things the are faking about themselves to make themselves appear better.

Lots of people are berating OP here because they immediately believe the fact that this SIL can speak 3 languages. I would say you need to question that first. OP, if your family has never met this girl and you only have what your BIL told you about her, you need to dig a bit deeper to see if she really can do all the things she claims. We don't know more about her family or work background, so maybe there are unique factors that make sense. However simply going from a statistical perspective, it does not sound very plausible.

Might have missed some posts but it sounds like she grew up in Western Europe? English is always the second language taught in schools across Europe so something in her story doesn't add up.

Edited

I don't have professional experience here @User757373 but I do know a fair few people who are fluent in 3 languages (or more) but not English. Quite a few of those are DH's extended family. They tend to underplay rather than overplay it - if one of his relatives says (s)he speaks three languages it's a fair bet that it's actually more. DH's grandfather and DH spoke to each other in English - and grandfather had learned 6 other languages fluently before he started on English.

DH has a fair few relatives who speak 3/4 languages but not much or any English - a couple of great aunts, for example. He had one great aunt who he couldn't speak to directly much, because although he speaks reasonable French (he's bilingual, but French is a third), her French tended to be mixed up with other languages and he couldn't always follow.

Toolardy · 24/01/2025 13:08

Makes me laugh when english people always think it is every one else's responsibility to learn their language. Sign up to Duolingo and improve your french. It's free. Be a bit adventurous and do something out of your comfort zone. Maybe you and your new sister in law can get together and help each other out.

boringingoring · 24/01/2025 13:04

Fair play to you, OP, for taking the answers on board and being willing to give it a go. Some posters clearly haven't read the whole thread before replying!

@Enko

He has learned some of my 1st.language mainly a beer please and mother in law.

This is adorable! 😁

Cherry8809 · 24/01/2025 12:40

Don’t be cunty. Make the effort to welcome her into your family.

RampantIvy · 24/01/2025 12:33

students are typically exposed to RP or American accents, so she may find it challenging to understand yours. While it might feel frustrating, the closer you can adjust your accent to standard English pronunciation, the easier it will be for her to follow.

That resonated with me.

I have A level French and used to do French evening classes to keep up with it.

We holidayed in the south of France several years ago, and the French spoken there bore no resemblance to the French I learned at school.

For example, the way they said twenty (vingt) sounded more like vingty than vant.

What region of French are we taught here - Parisian?

Enko · 24/01/2025 12:32

Sheaintheavyshesmymother · 24/01/2025 07:59

Why is everyone so against being spoken to slowly and loudly? Surely that is exactly what you should do if speaking to someone who speaks very little of your language?

I don’t speak my DCs father’s first language and most of his family don’t speak English ( I still manage to have a good laugh with them I might add) but I am working on it. And I absolutely love when his mother speaks slowly and loudly to me! Everyone gives her a hard time for it but I find it so helpful for my learner brain 😂

If mil just spoke slowly in a normal level.tone you would get it too wouldn't you?

Unrepentantfarter · 24/01/2025 12:30

Dannnyy · 24/01/2025 07:23

Okay I appreciate I'm being unreasonable.

I've never left the uk, not even on holiday and I live in a very homogenous small northern town where there are very few non English people let alone non English speaking people. So this is a new experience for me.

Fair play to you. I wonder whether you have some anxiety about certain social situations and feeling awkward?

There was a great post above by the pp with a dh who didn't speak English - good tips there.

Combustivechicken · 24/01/2025 12:19

Let your DB translate the conversation. It works in our family even though it’s a bit of a pain for the translator. A lot is communicated with smiles, gestures and as time goes on it should get easier. I was brought up that anyone who is a bf, gf, partner or potential partner who is introduced into the family is shown they are welcome and that we all make the effort to show that they are.

Bertgotkinky · 24/01/2025 12:06

You have a terrible attitude and you’re being very unreasonable. It is probably better you stay away as clearly you have no interest in meeting her or showing some support for your brother. I would say things will go very well with your absence. It’s not really their loss.

Beeloux · 24/01/2025 12:02

I would still go, it will look bad if you don’t.

Most of XH family couldn’t speak hardly any English but still had an enjoyable time at gatherings with them. If she can speak 3 languages already that’s great, not many English people could!

Nothatgingerpirate · 24/01/2025 11:59

As a Czech citizen, therefore English not being my first language, I'm saying YANBU.
I wouldn't bother either, funnily enough.
Maybe 25 years ago, when they accommodated myself and my difficulties, everything was different.

HipToTheHopDontStop · 24/01/2025 11:59

Dannnyy · 24/01/2025 07:23

Okay I appreciate I'm being unreasonable.

I've never left the uk, not even on holiday and I live in a very homogenous small northern town where there are very few non English people let alone non English speaking people. So this is a new experience for me.

But you expect her to speak a fourth language to accommodate you? 🤨

Seriously, go somewhere. Anywhere. It's not the 1850s

Howmanycatsistoomany · 24/01/2025 11:54

CharityShopChic · 24/01/2025 11:35

Imagine being so parochial that you've never left the UK and don't want to meet a future member of the family.

Mind boggled.

And expect everyone to speak English.

LittleScampi · 24/01/2025 11:54

I bet her level of English is much better than she is letting on.

I live in Switzerland, everyone I know is bilingual (minority language area so they have to be), lots are trilingual and many speak 4+ languages. The amount of people who say they only speak a little bit of English, then start talking in complicated sentences 😂

Be kind and patient, a smile speaks a 1000 words

S0upertrooper · 24/01/2025 11:53

I sat beside a Japanese woman this week who constantly apologised that she couldn't speak English. We had a really interesting conversation, in English.

In my experience, people who do not have English as their first language always underestimate their ability. I say this as someone who teaches English as a second language.

Have a bit of patience and show an interest in her culture. You might learn something.

SoNiceToComeHomeTo · 24/01/2025 11:50

Dannnyy · 24/01/2025 09:02

I actually messaged my brother just to clarify which language it would be best for me to pick up a few phrases in before meeting, this was his reply.

French or Italian probs if you want to make the effort but don’t stress her English is fine for light conversation. She’s shy tho so might prefer me to translate, don’t take it personally tho as she’s just nervous that her English sucks and that she won’t understand mam and dads heavy accents. But yeah a little French or Italian would be nice (my Italian is crap tho so don’t expect me to help if you take that route).

It sounds fine, and this woman's English is probably better than she thinks by now, because of having a lot of contact with an English speaker, even if they often use other languages. Good point that strong Northern accents will make it harder for her. Hope it goes well.

Christmasandallthetrimmings · 24/01/2025 11:50

I've made this thread, inspired by the OP, for anyone learning or wanting to learn a language...

www.mumsnet.com/talk/mature_students/5259480-a-language-learning-thread-for-all-abilities