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She doesn't speak English - pointless meeting up

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Dannnyy · 24/01/2025 06:57

My brother recently got engaged, he and his fiancée are coming to visit next week, we have met her briefly but have no relationship with her really.
My parents really want us all to go out for a meal, however she speaks 3 languages none of which are English. I know my brother could just translate and I have school level knowledge of one language. However I think it would be extremely awkward, and just not very fun. Apparently she is learning English but my brother says she's not in any hurry to get "good" at it.

AIBU to think it's pointless meeting for a meal in these circumstances?

OP posts:
Covidwoes · 24/01/2025 21:28

3 languages, wow! What a clever, interesting lady. YABVU OP. How many languages do you speak?

Clearinguptheclutter · 24/01/2025 20:47

Dannnyy · 24/01/2025 09:02

I actually messaged my brother just to clarify which language it would be best for me to pick up a few phrases in before meeting, this was his reply.

French or Italian probs if you want to make the effort but don’t stress her English is fine for light conversation. She’s shy tho so might prefer me to translate, don’t take it personally tho as she’s just nervous that her English sucks and that she won’t understand mam and dads heavy accents. But yeah a little French or Italian would be nice (my Italian is crap tho so don’t expect me to help if you take that route).

Great. Get yourself on duolingo.’

twlighteaser · 24/01/2025 20:22

Speaking another language to some people means being fluent. I can hold a full conversation in Italian, face to face or by phone and write an email but with some grammatical errors, however I was been told by an Italian friend that I speak a 'little bit' of Italian, in her opinion to speak it is to be 100% fluent. To non speakers I sound fluent as hell 😂

Normallynumb · 24/01/2025 18:57

Of course you go and meet them.
Be kind and welcoming, and do remember body language speaks volumes
Google translate exists nowadays! I'm not suggesting you use it at the table
I managed to get by in France by using my olevel French from my memory bank... yes I'm old!

mitogoshigg · 24/01/2025 18:53

Of course it is worth meeting up and as a bonus you get to practice your language skills.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 24/01/2025 18:51

User757373 · 24/01/2025 08:42

In OP's defence, it is extremely unusual and strange for someone to know three languages but none of it being English. Without giving away identifying details, my work involves a lot of languages and identifying the degrees of fluency. One thing that many, many people tend to lie about is how many languages they can speak.

When someone claims to speak "3 languages", it's usually just one language and they only have very basic or no skills in the other two. Language bragging is particularly common in people with lower education levels but who still want to impress others. They tell everyone they speak several languages because they know you cannot verify if that's true.

True trilingualism in the sense of being able to fluently speak, understand read, write and think in three languages is vanishingly rare. It requires a high level of academics and (usually) some sort of international background. As a result, one of those languages is invariably English as that's the most common denominator across the world. Before anyone gets triggered by the paragraph below, YES there are loads of people in the world who can speak 3 languages truly fluently but over 90% of them have English as one of the three.

So in this case, it's probably YABU not to meet a potential close relative due to communication problems but YANBU to question why she told your brother she "speaks" 3 languages but is in no hurry to learn English. That is a genuine red flag. Based on experience, many people who claim they speak 3 or more languages are simply lying about it impress others or to embellish their CV. It would make you question what other things the are faking about themselves to make themselves appear better.

Lots of people are berating OP here because they immediately believe the fact that this SIL can speak 3 languages. I would say you need to question that first. OP, if your family has never met this girl and you only have what your BIL told you about her, you need to dig a bit deeper to see if she really can do all the things she claims. We don't know more about her family or work background, so maybe there are unique factors that make sense. However simply going from a statistical perspective, it does not sound very plausible.

Might have missed some posts but it sounds like she grew up in Western Europe? English is always the second language taught in schools across Europe so something in her story doesn't add up.

Edited

If you read the OP's updates, the explanation for why she speaks three languages is clear. If you grow up between two countries and one of your parents speaks a third language as their mother tongue, you will naturally have to learn those languages out of necessity. It doesn't necessarily follow that you're a natural linguist and have an amazing ability to learn other languages.

SuziQuinto · 24/01/2025 18:49

Ponderingwindow · 24/01/2025 18:48

There are many reasons a first conversation with a fiancé may be awkward other than a language barrier. People might be nervous, have preconceived notions, carry family baggage that had nothing to do with the situation, or in my case, simply be autistic, this person is going to be part of your family. This is just one meeting and does not define your entire relationship. Yet, it must happen for the relationship to start and grow.

refusing to meet will define your entire relationship and it won’t be positive.

You're quite right of course, but as I understand it, she's going to meet up with her now.

Ellepff · 24/01/2025 18:49

Dannnyy · 24/01/2025 07:04

Can you expand on how it worked? I feel like the conversation is going to be very stunted as my brother will have to translate everything in both directions.

My inlaws all speak a language I don’t. If we are all at a meal sometimes someone talks to me in English or my husband translates a bit. I’ve picked some up now. Sometimes I’ll say something small. Sometimes I get a bit bored.

BIL is dating a girl with very poor English and none of the family language. She’ll do some chat in English and also play on her phone or with the kids. Or we two eat quietly.

You can compliment food or a dress without knowing much in the language. And she is learning English and you know a bit of her language so you’ll muddle through.

Go for your parents if not your brother.

SuziQuinto · 24/01/2025 18:49

saraclara · 24/01/2025 18:47

Nowhere is 100% monocultural of course. But it's weird that some people think that the whole of the north is basically Bradford!

No indeed. Did someone say that the whole of the north is basically Bradford! I must have missed that. How silly, and what a ridiculous sweeping remark.
I see that Alnwick is about 4.4% which is quite low.

Ponderingwindow · 24/01/2025 18:48

There are many reasons a first conversation with a fiancé may be awkward other than a language barrier. People might be nervous, have preconceived notions, carry family baggage that had nothing to do with the situation, or in my case, simply be autistic, this person is going to be part of your family. This is just one meeting and does not define your entire relationship. Yet, it must happen for the relationship to start and grow.

refusing to meet will define your entire relationship and it won’t be positive.

saraclara · 24/01/2025 18:47

Nowhere is 100% monocultural of course. But it's weird that some people think that the whole of the north is basically Bradford!

randoname · 24/01/2025 18:47

Dannnyy · 24/01/2025 07:04

Can you expand on how it worked? I feel like the conversation is going to be very stunted as my brother will have to translate everything in both directions.

A little yes, but that’s not the end of the world is it?

SuziQuinto · 24/01/2025 18:44

saraclara · 24/01/2025 18:17

I know you're not sleeping me, but how about Harrogate? Skipton? Whitby? I could go on...

I'm not sleeping you, it's true 😄
Harrogate and Skipton? I've heard other languages spoken there, I don't know if it was Polish or otter eastern European.
Anyway. It doesn't really matter - the OP hasn't come across it, so she obviously doesn't mix in those circles. Whatever.

SuziQuinto · 24/01/2025 18:39

MangoAndMelon · 24/01/2025 18:26

Many small tpwns have 0.1% of foreign born. It shouldn't be a surprise. Immigrant always first moved where jobs were aka bigher cities with industries

Edited

You don't have to be "foreign born" to be a member of an ethnic minority group, and speak another language.

RampantIvy · 24/01/2025 18:27

Rothbury, Alnwick, Morpeth, Ashington

MangoAndMelon · 24/01/2025 18:26

SuziQuinto · 24/01/2025 18:14

Right. Which towns are these?

Many small tpwns have 0.1% of foreign born. It shouldn't be a surprise. Immigrant always first moved where jobs were aka bigher cities with industries

MangoAndMelon · 24/01/2025 18:25

saraclara · 24/01/2025 18:22

After posting above, I was interested enough to have a quick Google. Apparently the North East of England has the fewest immigrants in the UK (by quite a long way).

Might be the accent😂

I was top of the class through school and high-school. I had total breakdown after arriving to mid south england area because I did not understand what people were saying😂 As PP said. RP English at schools.

On a serious nkte, maybe industry. Lots of immigrants came in for industry jlbs or even were brought in. More Midlands iirc

saraclara · 24/01/2025 18:22

After posting above, I was interested enough to have a quick Google. Apparently the North East of England has the fewest immigrants in the UK (by quite a long way).

Cm19841 · 24/01/2025 18:17

So wildly ignorant it must be trolling.

Embarrassing.

saraclara · 24/01/2025 18:17

SuziQuinto · 24/01/2025 18:14

Right. Which towns are these?

I know you're not sleeping me, but how about Harrogate? Skipton? Whitby? I could go on...

SuziQuinto · 24/01/2025 18:14

RampantIvy · 24/01/2025 17:45

Some are though. DH is from Northumberland and the towns nearest to his village have very few people that are obviously from ethnic minorities.

The main reason is lack of work opportunities.

Right. Which towns are these?

SuziQuinto · 24/01/2025 18:14

dynamiccactus · 24/01/2025 17:55

There are some very odd posts on this thread.

Lots of northern towns are largely monocultural. They aren't all Lancashire mill towns that now have large non-white populations.

And it's entirely possible for someone to speak three languages fluently and not English. I could for example easily imagine someone Spanish speaking Catalan and Italian alongside Castilian but not English.

Which northern towns, in your experience, are largely mono cultural?

dynamiccactus · 24/01/2025 17:55

There are some very odd posts on this thread.

Lots of northern towns are largely monocultural. They aren't all Lancashire mill towns that now have large non-white populations.

And it's entirely possible for someone to speak three languages fluently and not English. I could for example easily imagine someone Spanish speaking Catalan and Italian alongside Castilian but not English.

RampantIvy · 24/01/2025 17:45

SuziQuinto · 24/01/2025 16:58

It's strange that a Northern town is so mono cultural. There's usually minority groups living in them.

Some are though. DH is from Northumberland and the towns nearest to his village have very few people that are obviously from ethnic minorities.

The main reason is lack of work opportunities.

PinkSparklyPussyCat · 24/01/2025 17:36

AND I get by in France,Italy and Spain with language skills. Because I have a GCSE in French and taught myself Italian and Spanish . Because I'm not a knob.

So if you can't 'get by' in France, Italy and Spain with language skills you're a knob? And the OP isn't a knob if you bothered to read her last update 🙄