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She doesn't speak English - pointless meeting up

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Dannnyy · 24/01/2025 06:57

My brother recently got engaged, he and his fiancée are coming to visit next week, we have met her briefly but have no relationship with her really.
My parents really want us all to go out for a meal, however she speaks 3 languages none of which are English. I know my brother could just translate and I have school level knowledge of one language. However I think it would be extremely awkward, and just not very fun. Apparently she is learning English but my brother says she's not in any hurry to get "good" at it.

AIBU to think it's pointless meeting for a meal in these circumstances?

OP posts:
SuziQuinto · 24/01/2025 07:24

This is a good opportunity for you, then!

Dannnyy · 24/01/2025 07:23

Okay I appreciate I'm being unreasonable.

I've never left the uk, not even on holiday and I live in a very homogenous small northern town where there are very few non English people let alone non English speaking people. So this is a new experience for me.

OP posts:
RedToothBrush · 24/01/2025 07:22

Dannnyy · 24/01/2025 07:12

@NormaleKartoffeln

She grew up between France and Northern Italy, her dad is Swiss German.

She will have enough 'cross over' words in those three languages to understand a lot of what you say without being able to speak English.

The commonality within French, German and Italian with English is pretty high.

She WILL understand a lot of what you say and she will have foreign words with similar meanings that she can use that you will understand.

Trust me. You will be able to have a vague conversation with her even if she doesn't speak a word of English (which I suspect she will).

beAsensible1 · 24/01/2025 07:21

Jesus….

sparepantsandtoothbrush · 24/01/2025 07:21

How about you buy her these as a gift. They might not be brilliant (the reviews are good though) but it might break the ice and be a bit of fun

Ai translator

Sewverit · 24/01/2025 07:21

No excuse at all.

My dad is English, my mum is Dutch. He spoke no Dutch and my grandmother spoke no English. They still managed to communicate.

Of course you should meet.

ChannelFiveDrama · 24/01/2025 07:21

Can you not speak any French or German yourself? Even a few words of greeting? Get yourself on Duolingo in the interim.

NormaleKartoffeln · 24/01/2025 07:21

Dannnyy · 24/01/2025 07:12

@NormaleKartoffeln

She grew up between France and Northern Italy, her dad is Swiss German.

So she speaks Italian, French and Swiss German?
If she speaks German then she'll understand some English, I imagine, as there's similarities.
Could you learn a few phrases in one of her languages? Hello, nice to meet you. I don't speak [insert language] but [insert brother name] will help us out.

SuziQuinto · 24/01/2025 07:20

SlapTheMelon · 24/01/2025 07:09

Wow OP she sounds accomplished and will learn English fast. You sound petty and small minded. How many languages do you speak?

Exactly. Perhaps the OP has never travelled or met anyone non English speaking before. It seems strange, though.

romdowa · 24/01/2025 07:20

Im going to go against the grain a small bit here. I wouldn't meet them for dinner , maybe a coffee instead might be less awkward and of shorter duration 😅

Blue278 · 24/01/2025 07:20

The languages she speaks have enough commonality with English you’ll be fine. It’s not the UN with contemporaneous translation of every utterance needed.

SuziQuinto · 24/01/2025 07:19

You are going to avoid meeting her because she doesn't speak English? Have you never been in this situation before?
Go a long, be friendly. Listen to your brother and his translation.

ItsByThere · 24/01/2025 07:19

She is still a human being!! If they ever have children with your attitude you won’t be able to complain if they cut you out completely.

Elektra1 · 24/01/2025 07:18

You sound like Nigel Farage

GreatUser80 · 24/01/2025 07:18

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Theextraordinaryisintheordinary · 24/01/2025 07:18

Completely unreasonable. Life is not always about what you want to get out of it. We have to do things we don’t want to do at times.

Try and empathise. Imagine you’re her in this situation and what you might need to feel comfortable, safe and connected.

A warm smile and a hug can go a long way into welcoming someone but simply turning up is the best start and the most respectful thing to do.

PotaytoPotahhto · 24/01/2025 07:17

Wow. Sounds like you’re already jealous of your SIL and looking for reasons not to engage.

How nasty. Be a better person OP.

RedToothBrush · 24/01/2025 07:17

You're xenophobic.

My grandfather's third wife was effectively the only grandmother I knew growing up.

Neither of us spoke the same language. To compound it, my grandfather didn't speak her language and she didn't speak his (don't ask me how that really worked as being married is a whole different level!). They were together more than 15 years before he died.

It didn't matter. We had conversations despite this. It sounds crazy but we did. And we understood each other despite the language difference.

It's surprising how much communication is non verbal and how little of another language you need to be able to understand meaning. Stuff like emphasis and body language is hugely important.

You have nothing to lose by meeting up. You could learn a lot. It might be a disaster. But your brother will appreciate it and she's more likely to see a benefit to learning English if you do meet.

Honestly I find your tone and comments exceptionally narrow minded and bigoted.

40weeksmummy · 24/01/2025 07:16

How many languages do you speak?

olympicsrock · 24/01/2025 07:16

Blimey !!! Maybe OP you could just shout louder in English if she doesn’t understand? Surely that’s how the Brits do it best!?

Why on earth should all other nations learn English? Times have changed .

Or you could smile, laugh use facial expressions, gestures, brother translating . And maybe even learn a few words of her language. Like “I’m pleased to meet you, how are you? “

WaltzingWaters · 24/01/2025 07:15

Enko · 24/01/2025 07:01

Not worth welcoming the woman that will be your sister in law?
Not worth showing your brother you care about his happiness?

If she already speaks 3 languages she will pick up English soon enough. A huge amount can be shown through body language and intentions.

Edited

This. Make an effort.

Enko · 24/01/2025 07:15

Dannnyy · 24/01/2025 07:04

Can you expand on how it worked? I feel like the conversation is going to be very stunted as my brother will have to translate everything in both directions.

I can as someone who is married to a dh who doesn't speak my mother tongue.

Smiles.
Shake her hand/ hug on meeting
Lifting up dishes towards them and offering
She may not know the word for Good/great but she (and you) will likely understand Magnifique so use that to show you enjoyed it. Some words are more universally known.

Open body language not hunching up in a corner during dinner. Relaxed position.

Make eye contact when she tries to commuicate with you. Look at her when she speaks even if you have to wait for your brother to translate. Once bro has translated look at her as you reply. You are having a conversation with her not bro.

And you know show her silly penguin shorts dog cat whatever floats your boat for funny if she likes it too.

Dont speak slowy and loudly. Its so weird. And doesn't make the person understand ypu any better.
Speak slower when you use the language you know a bit but not excessively so. Like when you want to clearly pronounce something.

Don't do an exaggerated point towards your mouth as if asking if she is hungry it comes across as patronising.

Be open minded. One of my close friends married a Japanese woman. For their wedding her family and I were in the same hotel they spoke no English I no Japanese we managed as we were both willing.

A lot is your attitude. My family love dh we have been married 34 years next week. He has learned some of my 1st.language mainly a beer please and mother in law. My family like him.

NormaleKartoffeln · 24/01/2025 07:14

DeffoNeedANameChange · 24/01/2025 07:10

Of course the conversation will be stunted/awkward. But not so awkward that you can't even sit through one meal!

How many weeks of classes/what level of qualification will be considered worthy of your time?

Ps in my experience, whenever anyone says they "don't speak any English" they've always meant "my English is much better than your GCSE French".

When Gernan people say they don't speak English it means either of two things - they do speak it, very well, OR they really don't because they were brought up in a time when Russian was the second language and any English they were taught has never really been used.
One of my favourite actors started a video by apologising for his 'bad English' because he was 'from East Berlin' but then went on to speak very good English, albeit with an accent. He is technically from East Berlin however was 7 or 8 at the time of unification and would have learnt English at school.
I realise this is an aside.....🤣

MangoAndMelon · 24/01/2025 07:14

Dannnyy · 24/01/2025 07:09

Okay fair enough I'm being unreasonable.

I think a part of me is just surprised she doesn't speak English when she is from a Western European country and speaks 3 languages, I thought it was commonly taught in European schools.

Some do choices. Not everyone has English. I did English, my friend did German. She does not speak English past "hello, how you?".
Like not everyone in UK speaks French, innit

verycloakanddaggers · 24/01/2025 07:13

You're judging someone for speaking the 'wrong' three languages?

I think you need to have a think about why you have such an issue about this situation.

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