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She doesn't speak English - pointless meeting up

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Dannnyy · 24/01/2025 06:57

My brother recently got engaged, he and his fiancée are coming to visit next week, we have met her briefly but have no relationship with her really.
My parents really want us all to go out for a meal, however she speaks 3 languages none of which are English. I know my brother could just translate and I have school level knowledge of one language. However I think it would be extremely awkward, and just not very fun. Apparently she is learning English but my brother says she's not in any hurry to get "good" at it.

AIBU to think it's pointless meeting for a meal in these circumstances?

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StMarie4me · 24/01/2025 07:36

romdowa · 24/01/2025 07:20

Im going to go against the grain a small bit here. I wouldn't meet them for dinner , maybe a coffee instead might be less awkward and of shorter duration 😅

A lot more talking required though!

WineseCuisine · 24/01/2025 07:36

And here I thought blatantly colonial 'better than thou' attitudes had gone out of fashion some time ago. OP, what you're suggesting is disrespectful to the extreme.

As for the astonishment that someone from a Western European country does not speak English: Germany, France and Italy all have population sizes similar to or greater than that of the UK. (And their own colonial pasts and xenophobic attitudes, but let's not get into that right now.) Most people there can go through their entire lives just fine without speaking anything but their native language, if you can imagine it. And they certainly do not see speaking English as anything to aspire to.

Have you ever tried to order a coffee in English in Paris without at least making the effort of starting with 'Bonjour'? I can only recommend you try it, and see how it feels to be on the receiving end of your own attitudes.

sashh · 24/01/2025 07:35

I've had conversations with people when we don't speak the same language. Go for the meal, just smile and be nice.

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NigelHarmansNewWife · 24/01/2025 07:35

This is the perfect opportunity for you to broaden your horizons. Don't rely on your brother to translate - use body language, pictures and photos on your phone, etc to communicate. Much more fun and open.

ThreeLocusts · 24/01/2025 07:34

OP what a pile on. Sounds to me like your issue could be with being asked to care about a brother you were never close to.

And if he was the little prince and your mother seems overinvested in his happiness, I understand. (Speculating I know.) But perhaps it's a chance to meet as grownups, on a different level?

Have deepl translation open on your phone. I'd want to ask her about food, they must have interesting dishes in that border region.

CurlewKate · 24/01/2025 07:34

Probably one of the most British posts I have ever read!

YRGAM · 24/01/2025 07:34

PigInAHouse · 24/01/2025 07:26

My BIL doesn’t speak much English. I don’t speak much of his language. BIL and SIL have been together 11 years now, and we still manage to meet up for a 2 week holiday every year (they live in his home country). It’s fine, and we get by, helped by the fact that both of us speak a decent amount of a third language.
The thing that stands out is that you expect her to speak multiple languages but you only speak English. Why do you have higher expectations of her than you do of yourself?

Edited

I understand the sentiment but English is in a category of its own as the global lingua franca. Especially in Europe, I think it's reasonable to select English as the most likely shared language to hold a conversation in, so comparing her not knowing English to him not knowing Fr/De/It isn't a fair comparison, in my opinion.

AlteredStater · 24/01/2025 07:34

YABVU OP. Please make the effort, she will be your SIL soon and her opinion of you will be far better if you try rather than not bother going. Extend the hand of welcome, you don't need to speak the same language to show her friendliness!

In the past I travelled with my then-husband to a country where I didn't speak the language to meet his family, but it was good (if quite tiring at times) and there was no lack of warmth or welcome, I was sad to say goodbye!

Theextraordinaryisintheordinary · 24/01/2025 07:33

This is great then, you can embrace this as a new opportunity. Show her love. You’ll feel good inside and it’ll make your brother proud to show you off! Take a small gift.

‘peace starts with a smile’

Thecomfortador · 24/01/2025 07:31

MrsSkylerWhite · 24/01/2025 07:25

Just speak slowly and shout. Oh, and make sure you all go to a restaurant where you can order a full English or fish and chips …..

And don't forget to gesticulate wildly.

Anyway, she might be nice and you might find you connect with her. If not, then at least you've made her feel welcome in the family if you make an effort to engage with her which hopefully she'll appreciate.

Maurepas · 24/01/2025 07:31

OP - now you want to start off with a good will attitude. Anyway it may be a blessing she doesn't speak English. You need to go with the flow on this and be your charming self.

itsgettingweird · 24/01/2025 07:31

Dannnyy · 24/01/2025 07:09

Okay fair enough I'm being unreasonable.

I think a part of me is just surprised she doesn't speak English when she is from a Western European country and speaks 3 languages, I thought it was commonly taught in European schools.

Maybe she finds it weird you do t speak any of the 3 languages she does?!

Go. Learn her mother tongue and she's already started learning yours.

Then you'll be able to speak half the number of languages she does Wink

NormaleKartoffeln · 24/01/2025 07:30

Labrawindow · 24/01/2025 07:28

If you have some knowledge of one of the languages can you learn some more of that? I'm doing duo lingo at the moment, with French, a language I learnt at school. It's surprising how quickly it's coming back and I'm learning new words each day now as well.

I started German and Spanish with Duolingo. It's great for basics, including 'My bear is doing Yoga'. Seriously though, there are loads of learning resources out there.

YRGAM · 24/01/2025 07:30

Given where she's from and the languages she knows, when she says she doesn't speak English she might just mean she doesn't speak it to the standard of the other languages she knows. I'd be astonished if a young woman from that part of the world who is open minded enough to have a foreign boyfriend knew no English at all. Anyway, it's good you've recognised you were being unreasonable - hope you enjoy the evening!

Owly11 · 24/01/2025 07:30

Yabvvu - of course you should meet her. It's not about you.

NormaleKartoffeln · 24/01/2025 07:28

Dannnyy · 24/01/2025 07:23

Okay I appreciate I'm being unreasonable.

I've never left the uk, not even on holiday and I live in a very homogenous small northern town where there are very few non English people let alone non English speaking people. So this is a new experience for me.

I get that it's a bit scary.
Smile lots, be friendly. Say hello in one of the languages. She might be nervous too!

Labrawindow · 24/01/2025 07:28

If you have some knowledge of one of the languages can you learn some more of that? I'm doing duo lingo at the moment, with French, a language I learnt at school. It's surprising how quickly it's coming back and I'm learning new words each day now as well.

sesquipedalian · 24/01/2025 07:28

As others have said, translation apps on Google etc are very good. We were once in an Italian village; we don’t speak Italian and the Italians speak very quickly, but we managed and had a great time! OP, I think you just feel a little daunted by the situation, but I promise you, it’ll be fine! After all, you’re your DB’s family - don’t you think she’ll be a bit nervous meeting his family for the first time? Just be friendly, and remember that a smile and eye contact go a long way!

RedToothBrush · 24/01/2025 07:26

Dannnyy · 24/01/2025 07:23

Okay I appreciate I'm being unreasonable.

I've never left the uk, not even on holiday and I live in a very homogenous small northern town where there are very few non English people let alone non English speaking people. So this is a new experience for me.

This is a brilliant opportunity for you. Honestly you might not be able to have a standard conversation but you WILL be able to communicate.

It's a valuable experience in its own right.

PigInAHouse · 24/01/2025 07:26

My BIL doesn’t speak much English. I don’t speak much of his language. BIL and SIL have been together 11 years now, and we still manage to meet up for a 2 week holiday every year (they live in his home country). It’s fine, and we get by, helped by the fact that both of us speak a decent amount of a third language.
The thing that stands out is that you expect her to speak multiple languages but you only speak English. Why do you have higher expectations of her than you do of yourself?

Peaceandquietandacuppa · 24/01/2025 07:26

Are you joking?? If not, YABVVVVVVVU.

Communication is about so much more than speech. Fine if he will be translating, you can still read smiles, how they are together.

You sound a very negative person though so maybe it’s best you don’t meet. For their sakes.

Whyherewego · 24/01/2025 07:25

Dannnyy · 24/01/2025 07:09

Okay fair enough I'm being unreasonable.

I think a part of me is just surprised she doesn't speak English when she is from a Western European country and speaks 3 languages, I thought it was commonly taught in European schools.

Her standard of "not speaking English" is probably going to mean she will speak a bit! If she speaks German and Italian she will be able to muddle along with words

Enko · 24/01/2025 07:25

Dannnyy · 24/01/2025 07:23

Okay I appreciate I'm being unreasonable.

I've never left the uk, not even on holiday and I live in a very homogenous small northern town where there are very few non English people let alone non English speaking people. So this is a new experience for me.

Embrace it. It may turn out fun.

Having a sense of humour about it all is a good thing.

You are not unreasonable in feeling awkward many would in your situation. But let it slide and allow the awkwardness it will soon go.

She may turn into a good friend in time.

MrsSkylerWhite · 24/01/2025 07:25

Just speak slowly and shout. Oh, and make sure you all go to a restaurant where you can order a full English or fish and chips …..

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