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She doesn't speak English - pointless meeting up

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Dannnyy · 24/01/2025 06:57

My brother recently got engaged, he and his fiancée are coming to visit next week, we have met her briefly but have no relationship with her really.
My parents really want us all to go out for a meal, however she speaks 3 languages none of which are English. I know my brother could just translate and I have school level knowledge of one language. However I think it would be extremely awkward, and just not very fun. Apparently she is learning English but my brother says she's not in any hurry to get "good" at it.

AIBU to think it's pointless meeting for a meal in these circumstances?

OP posts:
Birthdaycakewithwine · 24/01/2025 08:18

YABVU
Yes that's right, exclude the poor woman on the basis that she doesn't speak the language. Ridiculous! She will pick it up in her own time, just be kind and welcoming to her and that's all you need to do! Your brother will appreciate it a lot.

Ohshutupcolinyoutwat · 24/01/2025 08:16

How rude, of you.

SALaw · 24/01/2025 08:16

What a really sad attitude to your future sister in law, possible future mother of nieces or nephews. I know various families whether there are language barriers with in laws but they still spend time together and figure it out.

PatienceOfEngels · 24/01/2025 08:15

YABU

In any case I'm sure she speaks or at least understands some English.

When I moved to my DH's country 20 years ago I didn't speak the language (apart from counting to 10). My FIL couldn't speak English and my MIL very basic broken English (she's never learnt, only picked up from American soaps on TV). For them to refuse to meet me because I didn't speak their language - what would that have done to our relationship? Do you want a relationship with your brother?

Is it going to be challenging? Yes.

Should you go? Yes.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 24/01/2025 08:14

@Dannnyy Assuming that her English never improves, will you just avoid her for the rest of your life to save any potential awkwardness?

Enko · 24/01/2025 08:13

Sheaintheavyshesmymother · 24/01/2025 07:59

Why is everyone so against being spoken to slowly and loudly? Surely that is exactly what you should do if speaking to someone who speaks very little of your language?

I don’t speak my DCs father’s first language and most of his family don’t speak English ( I still manage to have a good laugh with them I might add) but I am working on it. And I absolutely love when his mother speaks slowly and loudly to me! Everyone gives her a hard time for it but I find it so helpful for my learner brain 😂

Because noone likes to be yelled at.

Look at my next point. Speak slowly but not overly so.

When you go "NAAAAAIIICEEEE. TOOOO MEEEET. YOOOOOOOUUUU" it comes across wrong.

If you go "Nice to meet you" it comes across as if you want to communicate and make friendly ties.

Stravaig · 24/01/2025 08:13

Top tip for OP and some others on this thread.

NEVER think communication is difficult because someone else doesn't speak English. It is ALWAYS because they don't speak English and you don't speak any of their languages.

You could do something about that.

AmaryllisNightAndDay · 24/01/2025 08:13

Of course it's worth it! A few smiles go a long way.

Your job as Big Sister is not to make stunning conversation, it's to make your little brother's fiancee feel welcome in the family. You don't need to speak the same language to do that. Just go along.

NewFriendlyLadybird · 24/01/2025 08:12

The fiancée’s English is probably only marginally less than fluent anyway.

Schoolchoicesucks · 24/01/2025 08:12

Well done for acknowledging YABU OP.
Go along and meet her, it is one meal. She will likely pick up the gist of a lot of the conversation and you can include her by using basic level language with please to meet you and how you are and is your food nice as well as your brother translating.
I assume they don't live in the UK, but her picking up more English is likely to come through social interactions like having meals with her DH's family.

mmsnet · 24/01/2025 08:11

dont ever go to a foreign country op as you might be shocked to learn they speak a different language

TruthThatsHardAsSteel · 24/01/2025 08:09

Dannnyy · 24/01/2025 07:09

Okay fair enough I'm being unreasonable.

I think a part of me is just surprised she doesn't speak English when she is from a Western European country and speaks 3 languages, I thought it was commonly taught in European schools.

The More I read, the more pissy your attitude is about this. Honestly! Have a word with yourself.

Youvebeenframed · 24/01/2025 08:08

😳😳😳 Really??!!
YABVVU … and very narrow minded 🙄
Google translate is your friend.

I do find it odd that a young girl that speaks 3 languages doesn’t speak any English 🤔

saraclara · 24/01/2025 08:08

LookItsMeAgain · 24/01/2025 08:01

Here's a novel idea - learn one of the three languages that she does speak. Then you and her can talk away about anything and everything.

I hate the idea that everybody has to know how to speak English instead of at least trying to learn another language. At least try for goodness sake.

OP already has school level knowledge of one. And to be honest I don't think she particularly needs to learn any more. She just needs to be welcoming and smiley and open to the fact that her brother translating is absolutely fine, instead of seeing it as an irritant.

Wonderi · 24/01/2025 08:07

It’s just about showing support towards your brother and welcoming her into the family.

If the evening is a little awkward because your brother is translating, then so be it.

You will be eating anyway.

Imagine how anxious she must feel, meeting the family and having a language barrier.

The least you can do is show up and be nice for an hour or 2.

I don’t think it will be as bad as you think.

NewFriendlyLadybird · 24/01/2025 08:07

Dannnyy · 24/01/2025 07:04

Can you expand on how it worked? I feel like the conversation is going to be very stunted as my brother will have to translate everything in both directions.

Seriously, I had a whole morning alone with my honorary SIL when we first met. Neither spoke each other’s language. We talked all morning. A lot of smiling, laughing, pantomime, pointing at things and saying what they were in our own languages, ‘teaching’ each other phrases.

Decide to enjoy yourself and to like her and welcome her into the family. You’ll have a much better time than you think. Not that your enjoyment is actually the priority here.

dynamiccactus · 24/01/2025 08:07

Have you thought about starting to learn her language OP? How lovely it would be if you met her and could address her in a few words of her own language.

Rewis · 24/01/2025 08:05

Dannnyy · 24/01/2025 07:09

Okay fair enough I'm being unreasonable.

I think a part of me is just surprised she doesn't speak English when she is from a Western European country and speaks 3 languages, I thought it was commonly taught in European schools.

Like all the british kids forced to take french in school are so fluent that they can have a riveting conversation with the in laws? 😁

Really, what's the worst that can happen? You get food and be awkward. I think you'll live.

Anywherebuthere · 24/01/2025 08:05

Probably best if you dont go. Your vibes arent coming across very positive. She may not speak the language but your vibe will give a lot away.

Impressive that she speaks three languages. She'l pick up English quickly too. Or you could make an effort to learn the languages she knows.

You don't need to speak the same language to communicate.

I know a school mum who is deaf. She is so lovely. We communicate through smiles, facial expressions and body language. I speak, she doesnt and I know nothing about official sign language.

I know another lovely mum who speaks a totally different language. We both speak our own langugages, with smiles, facial expressions, body language and the odd words of English from her.

Lwrenn · 24/01/2025 08:05

Oh fuck off nobody is this unwelcoming surely 😂

my dc has a little pal who’s mum doesn’t speak much English and if her dh isn’t with her to translate we just use our phones.
She is now my friend, she always hugs me, we send little gifts to one another and we stand together in the school yard.
We know we have a language barrier and both put in the effort to understand the other one and try to make sure the other understands what we’re saying.
Its really minimal effort to have a lovely friend. Why wouldn’t anyone do that for their own brother?

PigInAHouse · 24/01/2025 08:03

YRGAM · 24/01/2025 07:54

I do think it's reasonable to expect some knowledge of English in certain situations, though. Would I expect a Catanian nonna to speak English? No. Would I expect a trilingual young Western European woman (all four of these demographics are overrepresented in multilinguals) to speak at least some English? I'd say it's highly unlikely she wouldn't.

I think for some British people there's an element of embarrassment/guilt/self hatred that we've 'cheated' somehow by already speaking the world's lingua franca from birth. There has to be a global/regional common language (and there has always been one throughout history to some extent, whether it's French, Latin, Greek, Persian in Asia, whatever), we are just lucky we don't have to learn it.

Putting it another way - if a Hungarian goes on holiday to France, would you call her lazy for speaking English there?

Edit - I'm getting off topic a bit really. It's VVVU of the OP not to want to make her feel welcome and meet her, and it's good he (I assume given the name) has seen the error of his ways

Edited

No I wouldn’t, but again you’ve entirely missed the point I was making.
The OP has never bothered learning a single other language, yet is disgruntled that the brother’s girlfriend doesn’t speak hers, despite speaking 3 others.
I travel a lot around Europe with my job, and have spent time living in 3 other European countries, and I’ve found that more and more people don’t speak English nowadays, for a variety of reasons. I would never expect anyone else speaks English. Not only does the OP expect the girlfriend to speak English (maybe reasonable, to some extent), she’s actually disgruntled that she doesn’t (unreasonable).
Not sure why we’re arguing about this though, it’s just my opinion.

Twaddlepip · 24/01/2025 08:03

Did you and your much younger brother have very different upbringings?

MangoAndMelon · 24/01/2025 08:03

Why is everyone so against being spoken to slowly and loudly? Surely that is exactly what you should do if speaking to someone who speaks very little of your language?

You speakimg loudly and slowly yo someone who barely speaks language will not magically make them understand vocabulary they don't know....

MumonabikeE5 · 24/01/2025 08:02

Wow.

she’s joining your family.
how you treat her now will determine how closely you can maintain connection to your brother, how close youll be with their children later.
your brother loves this woman
he will want to create a family,
a life, memories with this woman.
and if you don’t make an effort to welcome her, to be hospitable, to be generous and patient then she will withdraw, taking your brother with her.

as is true for so many sons when they marry.
it’s very often the women of a family that maintain connections, that arrange get to gathers.

and you are suggesting there is no point in trying to get to know this woman.

if language really is an issue, then there are other ways to foster warmth and connection.
walking together, visiting tourist spots where there are things to point to, or nature.
you could cook together.
go to ballet/dance/theatre performances
things where you can share an experience if not the language to talk about it .

id be gutted if my family didn’t want to find ways to welcome my new partner.

Pigsinblankets13 · 24/01/2025 08:02

Knobbish attitude

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