To think we need to re-think security for children's schools and clubs following Southport

If the OP's suggestion was to just do this for your kids, that little individual datum would be relevant. But she's talking about something being for all children. So it isn't.

My children aren’t stressed by any security and safety measures, they barely notice them.

I think all schools in the UK have security doors.

My DC are 18 & 19 and when they attended beavers, cubs and scouts both the outside and inner doors of the community centre were locked with a doorbell to each. At pickup parents queues outside until a leader let them in.

Any parties in church halls and community centres were locked, karate club locked, swimming door locked, all with doorbells.

I run a girlguiding unit. I keep the doors locked at all times. Open at the end of sessions when i can see parents and hand each girl over. We have done this since before covid though so not new for us.

We haven't managed to put safety and security measure in place to date without stressing children out, why do you think this would somehow be different?

No. We are already overegulated to the hill it’s smothering. If someone really wants to do something bad …. Unfortunately they will.

All the clubs my children go to have fairly stringent security measure in place. All sent updated risk policies and security measures following Southport.
My children have no idea of this. They go, have a good time and leave. No anxiety.

Reasonable and proportionate measures can be put in place without it being stressful for children. There is zero need for adults to say we are doing x in case y happens.

YABU. The constant stress and worry we put our children under with the current focus on safety and security is worse for them, overall, than the risks of rare violent attacks.

Mental health disorders, especially anxiety, are rampant in children nowadays and it is disastrous for them. Making even more moves that send the message they are at constant risk is not in their best interests.

It really, really isn't. So many drama llamas on this thread.

Everywhere? How would that work exactly

Hmm how would that work with places like forest schools. Where most activities are outside

My children’s primary school had a lot of security but there are times when anyone could have walked in, for example when it was the nativity play or school fair and the doors were open with parents queueing. Similarly, anyone can just walk into the leisure centre when there are loads of children there for gymnastics and swimming.

I think everywhere needs round-the-clock security now.

Britain is lawless.

Don't be so obtuse, I deliberately said what do you do on things like buses? In parks? In swimming pools? The list is endless of places that you can't lock them up in, it's the opposite of being 'that simple'?!

Nope don't want it. They'll always be a risk but I don't want to be reminded everyday of it. Being hyper vigilant and making kids the same is conducive to anxiety.

The chances are still very minute.

My heart goes out to the Stockport victims and their families.

The issues that need addressing are how people become radicalised online and how radicalised people can slip through the net.

Not focusing on locking our children away. If there are people determined to cause these atrocities they will find a way.

I don't want my children growing up terrified without any freedom. Violence like this is incredibly rare.

2009 was 16 years ago!

They would because it would be thought to be a delivery.

Schools in the UK are considered targets of terrorism.

There as I've worked in office buildings were you weren't allowed personal deliveries due to the hassle involved in checking them before they gave them to you.

If the door had been locked it would just have happened somewhere else.
You just cant legislate for that kind of act.

Prevention is the ONLY way. Police and security services need better resources to follow up all these leads.

Security measures are all well and good but I would imagine in most schools anyone buzzing to come in holding a package under their arm would be given entry.

These events are vanishingly rare. More kids get killed by cars every month than by this kind of attack in a decade. Why aren't we doing more to control car drivers?

How were you right? Nothing would have happened if your child had stayed there. Has anything happened at any club there since that day?

Private security with armed guards .

The club I run is not secure. Without changing venue, it's not possible as it's used by multiple clubs of all ages. Putting security would be tricky and expensive.
Not sure what the answer is, but it's definitely something we discussed as a team.