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He told his mom details on our financial set up!

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ThisQuickJadeWasp · 23/01/2025 13:11

Heads up: this is a very long post with lots of background info.

I am a 25 year old woman old engaged to my fiancé who is a 29 year old man. We have been dating since I was 19 and he was 24. When I say we are madly in love with each other we are madly in love with each other. We are each others first relationships. We mesh together perfectly. We had a bit of a long engagement not due to any issues at all in our relationship just because I was in college and my fiance was still getting figured out in his career.

We both met when we both didn’t have a lot of money I was living at home with my parents and he was living with an older man that used to be his neighbor who was renting out a small spare bedroom. Since then we grown into our careers and adults lives together. He moved and we did long distance for 16 months until I got everything together and was ready to move together into our apartment and then we got a house. once we moved into the house together we decided to start sharing finances and viewing things as “our” money instead of “his” or “her” money. We have a joint account where we would put all the money in that goes towards necessities such as bills and home repairs and groceries and what not. Then based on percentages we would take out our respective amounts of the joint account for the necessities. We then have our own separate account which our “fun money” goes in and then another joint account of a budgeted amount that our savings goes in that we don’t touch.

Then this way we have the same amount left over for fun things such as he has his truck hobby with his pick up truck that he owns that he likes to tinker with and I get a pedicure and my hair colored now and again or dinner out with friends stuff like that. This is the obvious way to do it to me bc obviously we operate as a team and engaged and not roommates so we want to make sure each other has the same amount to “toy around with” so to speak. We weren’t nickel and diming each other. He makes a little over 2 times what I make not that I don’t work just as hard it’s just our chosen careers which we are both very passionate about happen to pay that amount.

We would base what we contribute financially based on percentage so we still have the same money left over and I wouldn’t be stuck with nothing or very little while he has a lot more left over. To us that’s what being a team and getting married means. He pays the mortgage and I pay utilities such as electric, water, internet, toilet trees, I pay for our home delivery meal service that comes for dinners 5 nights a week. I also am responsible for cleaning the house and if there are home repair issues or something needs to be renovated like for example our master bathroom recently got redone I handle all that. Finding the contractors to come out and manning the job and picking out what we want.

We never argue about money and we are both very happy with this financial set up and we both feel it’s very fair and equal. Multiple people have commented on how it’s beautiful we are so in love and have built our lives up together after meeting each other when we both basically had nothing or very little to our name and they can’t wait for us to be married.

The one thing we disagree about is his mother. I feel my fiancé involves her very heavily in his/our life. She lives 13 hours away and my fiancé is the oldest and she has 2 younger sons. She has a big family lots of friends and isn’t lonely by any stretch yet my fiance tells her at any given time the exact home repairs we are doing, if something goes wrong with our home, if we happen to have less money than expected. They talk everyday or just about and I feel like it’s a bit overbearing and strange given she isn’t lonely. I don’t meet that many adults who want their parents that heavily involved in their personal lives. I think I would cry and feel suffocated if my mom was that involved in the knowing of everything that happens. Well the icing on top of the cake for me was he told his mom our exact financial arrangement/set up. He told her how we have our accounts set up, who contributes what, who pays what. The only thing he didn’t tell her was how much we have in those accounts.

i cried when he told me this because I said finances and inlaws/family don’t mix. I said I understand you are close to your mom and fine even though I find it annoying that she has to know every detail of our lives telling her our exact financial set up is not ok. I said I’m beginning to feel like his mom is a third person in our relationship and there is no reason she needs to be privy to our finances and how we have it set up. I said a couple’s finances is between them and them alone and a possible financial advisor who is a professional and not a biased party like a parent and of course our bank. Unless his mom is giving us money which we are independent adults on our own two feet so she isn’t. So absolutely no reason she needs knowledge on our banking info. To me that hooks be common sense. My fiancé and I have such a solid and close relationship I also underneath the anger feel very hurt and betrayed that without me there or even checking with me he just told his mom all our financial info not even thinking about my feelings. For her to know about such private information I feel “exposed” not in the physical sense but the mental sense.

I said when we get married I don’t want to feel like your mom is the third person in our marriage. He did apologize and explain he told her because she was just talking about finances in general and it flowed with the conversation but I told him I was still upset and just needed some alone time. Not alone time to rethink the relationship obviously because every relationship has issues once in a great while but just time to calm down.

Im sure we can all agree that given his mom that much access into our financial set up isn’t a good idea but AIBU to be this upset and worked up over it? I just feel there needs to be boundaries especially as an adult in a serious relationship. And maybe when you’re a teenager telling your parents every little thing is fine but I don’t want his mom living in our pocket.

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reichs79 · 23/01/2025 16:40

Bleachbum · 23/01/2025 16:38

never asking about me, never reaching out to me, not acknowledging my birthday, still leaving me off of Christmas cards despite us being together for years engaged and living together, telling my fiance I’m not invited on family vacations

This is your issue OP, not the finance chat, that’s a red herring.

You need to speak to your FDH and tell him how much his DM excluding you and acting as though you don’t exist is hurting you.

If your FDH can’t see that your exclusion is a huge issue that needs fixing then you have many many years of hurt and arguments ahead of you.

Just a bit of advice from someone who is 20 years ahead of you….. I wouldn’t marry until you are on better terms with his DM.

This ^^

LazyArsedMagician · 23/01/2025 16:40

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 23/01/2025 14:32

Well remember I’m trash for not bringing in the exact same money to a T as my fiancé so I have to make myself useful somewhere. No nut in all seriousness it’s the arrangement we came up with. Since I did feel bad (which my fiance shut down right away) that my career choice paid less than his I agreed hey I’ll take care of the household burdens such as cleaning and keeping up with home repairs and arranging those. It’s an arrangement that works for us and we are both happy with our arenahemrnt from everything to finances to division of household labor.

Now if I did say it’s my fiancé’s home too he needs to help
clean everyone would be focused solely on the money aspect and say how dare you he carried the financial burden the least you could do is keep after the home. Feel like I can’t win on here.

You're being ridiculous.

You didn't like he discussed the finances with his mum, told him so and he said he won't do it again. What more do you want? He can't go back in time and change it can he? I don't even know why he told you as it seems it was just a general discussion.

But the fact he lets you do all the housework isn't great. He should be taking on half of the responsibility if he is such a great man and whatever. This might be fine while you're a young couple in love, but add a kid into the mix and you will not find it quite so good. That's the biggest concern I've read in your OP and you don't even seem to think it's an issue.

Suzuki76 · 23/01/2025 16:39

I don't think I've ever seen a thread where the word "marriage" has been used so much by one OP. It's not a magic wand and will not change your fiancés behaviour, nor will it devalue your MIL's opinion if he already trusts it (too much).

Bleachbum · 23/01/2025 16:38

never asking about me, never reaching out to me, not acknowledging my birthday, still leaving me off of Christmas cards despite us being together for years engaged and living together, telling my fiance I’m not invited on family vacations

This is your issue OP, not the finance chat, that’s a red herring.

You need to speak to your FDH and tell him how much his DM excluding you and acting as though you don’t exist is hurting you.

If your FDH can’t see that your exclusion is a huge issue that needs fixing then you have many many years of hurt and arguments ahead of you.

Just a bit of advice from someone who is 20 years ahead of you….. I wouldn’t marry until you are on better terms with his DM.

HollyKnight · 23/01/2025 16:38

Once your child is headed towards marriage and especially once engaged/married your advice should be given in support of the benefit of the team the relationship. Not just in the interest of your child.

Um no. A mother should put their child first always. If the relationship is in the best interests of their child, then they will support it. But if their child is in an abusive controlling relationship, they will support their child to leave that relationship. Is that your real fear? Does your future MIL think you are bad for her son? It would explain why she has no interest in you as a person, and it would explain your wild paranoia.

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 23/01/2025 16:38

Bleachbum · 23/01/2025 16:24

Why do you give your soon to be DH so little credit that you assume that his DM could influence him to screw you over financially with hypothetical advice? Why do you worry that he is lying to you when he says that she didn’t offer any advice? Where is all this mistrust coming from?

I know that my FIL advised my DH when we got together (very young) to protect his assets until we were married. I think he may also have mentioned a pre-nup as an idea.

My DH listened to the advice but decided that it wasn’t necessary. That he knew me and knew that if we ever split up, that I would only want what is fair and equitable. I wouldn’t be going after the family heirlooms!

It’s ok and normal for people to talk to their parents, sound them out on things, get advice and perspective. They don’t have to act on the advice though!

But knowing how his mother been towards me why would he want to get advice from someone so cold and unwelcoming to his partner? That’s the million dollar question to me. Super common sense as he is a very smart man kicks in to say hmmm she hasn’t exactly bent the most welcoming to my fiancé her advice would only benefit me and wouldn’t be in favor of my partner at all. That’s why I’m very hurt with my fiancé

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Jewel52 · 23/01/2025 16:37

CautiousLurker01 · 23/01/2025 15:34

Am British and so is DH. I am not sure that at any stage in our 33 years his parents have known anything about his finances. We are close as a family and I discuss everything happily with my InLaws, but our finances are just not spoken off. They have no idea whatsoever how much DH earns, has saved etc. They can make an educated guess based on the house value, though.

That said I wouldn’t be in the least bit upset if DH told them - however, I know he would be if I discussed them. Beyond ‘do you need anything’ or ‘do you have enough’ he feels it’s not their business.

So, I think the issue is not that it’s cultural but it’s a boundary you’d prefer to observe. I think you are perfectly at liberty to explain that you prefer to keep your finances private. He can discuss his own (how much he earns/saves etc) if he wants to, but he’s not to discuss your financials. Ever.

My DH doesn’t call his mother (or father) pretty much ever. We have a whole family whatsapp where we share memes and pics; he fires off a private email to his dad if he wants advice. We see them twice a year for 3-7 days and had a few holidays with them when our kids were young. We love each other dearly but don’t live in each other’s pockets. I’m the person most likely to call his mum with news about the kids etc.

So I think it’s fair enough to want to assert your personal boundary on financial matters. But I’d broach this calmly with fiance and I’d keep the emotion/anger/drama out of it - just state where those boundaries are for you. And, I think that you may have others that you’ve not rubbed up against, so I do wonder whether relationship counselling isn’t wise before marriage? He DOES sound overly enmeshed with his mum and if you don’t clearly delineate with him which aspects of your life are off limits, there will be seepage. For example, if you start a family will he expect/allow her to move in briefly post birth, to ‘help’, and will he back you up if she takes over, makes remarks you feel are critical? If he gets a job offer, perhaps for an overseas move, will he discuss it with her before you, will her opinion override yours?

Finally, you talk in emotive terms about being ‘madly in love’. To me this hints at a love/relationship that is not necessarily mature. Forgive me, but it’s the way teenagers talk about love. I love my husband, yes, but the ‘madly in love’ thing was the initial buzz. I’ve never used that phrase about anyone, not even my DH. By 5 years it had matured into something else. After 33 years its deeper, based on shared values, shared history, surviving the tribulations of SEN kids and losing friends we loved dearly, joint enterprise (kids, our home, joint dreams about how will will spend our retirement years if we ever get shot of the kids, how we would support his family as they age, etc).

I wonder whether you need counselling, together, to explore precisely what you both want out of life and whether your joint goals and values genuine do mesh? And this includes understanding how his relationship with his mother dovetails with that with you.

This is such sane pragmatic advice, particularly the part about deciding on shared boundaries so that her partner understands her concept of privacy. Hope the op takes it on board as I can’t see in any of her posts that she’s talking honestly with her partner.

dynamiccactus · 23/01/2025 16:36

BendingSpoons · 23/01/2025 13:27

I personally don't find the level of detail strange. We are quite open with both sets of parents about things like finances, costs of repairs etc.

Yes I've always been very open with my parents about finances as well. Well, with my mum. My dad would tell me I had more money than sense whatever I bought :)

DH less so.

mumuseli · 23/01/2025 16:35

He does sound closer to his mum than most men tend to be… but you could see that as a positive thing, as my theory is that the way men treat their mothers is often a reflection of how they will treat you further down the line…

MangshorJhol · 23/01/2025 16:35

You are still avoiding the main question. You are fixated on how your MIL should behave.

Surely your MIL would be a non issue if you were 100% confident that your DH would have your back every single time.

Abracadabra12345 · 23/01/2025 16:35

Sorry about the lack of quotes!

Abracadabra12345 · 23/01/2025 16:33

ThisQuickJadeWasp
I see it the opposite way. Her DIL will have to deal with her MIL always being there involved in her relationship sticking her nose where it doesn’t belong only acknowledging her son while ignoring her DIL being the third person in their marriage. Acting like his relationship with his mother comes first and is more important than the one he has with his own wife.

*"So you don't trust him then.

Everything you have said leads to the fact that you don't like her and don't trust him to do what is best for you as a couple.

Do you think you should even be getting married?*

I've read the whole thread (so far) and now the fiancé won't be allowed to discuss their finances so that will bring a hesitation into the conversation with mil. But this:
"Her mil always being there, involved in her relationship, sticking her nose in where it doesn't belong....acting like his relationship with his mother is more important than the one he has either his own wife."

I agree with the pp. Far from being a perfect relationship, it's in big trouble.

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 23/01/2025 16:32

MangshorJhol · 23/01/2025 16:26

Ok so his mom thinks they should be baptized. Will he do it because his mom says so? Then you have a DH problem.

His mom says a carpet is better. Maybe a carpet IS better. But will he not consult you or ignore you? Then it is HE who is the problem not your MIL.

If you think she will influence him then as a 30 year old man if he’s so easily ‘influenced’ to do things that would hurt others including his wife then that shows that he’s a weak man.

I know you are trying to make this a MIL problem but I suspect you have a DH problem, you know it, and you are trying to deflect it on to a third party.

It is your MIL’s job to look out for the best interest of her child. But it is his job to filter out unwanted advice or advice that goes against your values as a couple. If he can’t then you have a DH problem!

my parents look out for both of us. A DIL becomes a member of the family and the possible mother of your GC. Once your child is headed towards marriage and especially once engaged/married your advice should be given in support of the benefit of the team the relationship. Not just in the interest of your child. So if she gives financial advice it should be hey I think doing this may help your marriage or give you more disposable income hey maybe cut back on here. Not here’s what can help you but screw her.

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MangshorJhol · 23/01/2025 16:30

So then why has this wonderful man not pulled his mother up for her terrible treatment of you?!

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 23/01/2025 16:29

MangshorJhol · 23/01/2025 16:20

It seems like the person you don’t trust is actually your DH. If you have been together for 5 years and you are so in love surely you know by now if he disregards your interest for hers? And if in the future he will do so.
If he does btw that is HIS problem and HIS fault. Not his mother’s.

If you think she’s treated you badly and he hasn’t stood up for him, then he’s not a good man. If you think his mother is giving him financial advice that will be detrimental to you that he will implement, then he’s not a good man.

I just expect 100% transparency in our marriage in things that affect both of us so if he is going to heed financial advise that his mom or anyone really gives him yes I have the right to expect I will be in the know about that since it will naturally affect us. I don’t know maybe the advice is you could spend less on takeout. Ok great advice but if I’m not privy to it how do I know the agreement is to spend less on takeout? I can’t make better what I don’t know. But if the advice is solely in his favor then that’s a problem since we are a team so people giving advice should view us as such. Not just what is going to benefit person A or person B but what is going to benefit them as they start their marriage to make their marriage the healthiest. My parents take on a view of this is the person my daughter loves and cherishes more than anyone let’s support them together. Where as with the way his mom has excluded me (never asking about me, never reaching out to me, not acknowledging my birthday, still leaving me off of Christmas cards despite us being together for years engaged and living together, telling my fiance I’m not invited on family vacations) I’m not so sure her motives would be beneficial for us as a couple but rather just solely in her son’s favor. Where as my parents once they saw we were serious were very much inclusive of my husband in every way.

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LAMPS1 · 23/01/2025 16:28

I thought you said he absolutely loved you …both perfectly in love you said.
Why on earth are you getting upset about an imaginary situation whereby he might want to benefit financially from advice from his mother - to your detriment.
That’s crazy!

I now think, not only that you are a tad controlling but that you don’t trust him and aren’t as wonderfully in love as you make out.
Take a hold of yourself OP. Lighten up for goodness sake before you spoil that perfect love idyll.
You are letting your imagination run right away from you.

YourWildAmberSloth · 23/01/2025 16:28

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 23/01/2025 16:20

I see it the opposite way. Her DIL will have to deal with her MIL always being there involved in her relationship sticking her nose where it doesn’t belong only acknowledging her son while ignoring her DIL being the third person in their marriage. Acting like his relationship with his mother comes first and is more important than the one he has with his own wife.

If this is what is happening, your MIL isn't the problem.

MangshorJhol · 23/01/2025 16:26

Ok so his mom thinks they should be baptized. Will he do it because his mom says so? Then you have a DH problem.

His mom says a carpet is better. Maybe a carpet IS better. But will he not consult you or ignore you? Then it is HE who is the problem not your MIL.

If you think she will influence him then as a 30 year old man if he’s so easily ‘influenced’ to do things that would hurt others including his wife then that shows that he’s a weak man.

I know you are trying to make this a MIL problem but I suspect you have a DH problem, you know it, and you are trying to deflect it on to a third party.

It is your MIL’s job to look out for the best interest of her child. But it is his job to filter out unwanted advice or advice that goes against your values as a couple. If he can’t then you have a DH problem!

Bleachbum · 23/01/2025 16:24

Why do you give your soon to be DH so little credit that you assume that his DM could influence him to screw you over financially with hypothetical advice? Why do you worry that he is lying to you when he says that she didn’t offer any advice? Where is all this mistrust coming from?

I know that my FIL advised my DH when we got together (very young) to protect his assets until we were married. I think he may also have mentioned a pre-nup as an idea.

My DH listened to the advice but decided that it wasn’t necessary. That he knew me and knew that if we ever split up, that I would only want what is fair and equitable. I wouldn’t be going after the family heirlooms!

It’s ok and normal for people to talk to their parents, sound them out on things, get advice and perspective. They don’t have to act on the advice though!

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 23/01/2025 16:23

sandyhappypeople · 23/01/2025 16:19

You are completely paranoid.

She didn't give him any advice, he spoke to her conversationally about how your finances work (which is pretty normal for people that share a lot about their lives I think), and no advice was given or opinions or anything!

If he told her about some of your wedding plans, or plans for the future would you have this same reaction or would you think he has no right to tell her personal information that partly belongs to you?? Or would you assume he has gone to her for advice and is keeping it secret from you what she said??

People talk about things for no other reason then to share that part of their lives, it doesn't mean anything, why are you so paranoid about it?

Again there was one poster on here who said it’s ok for him to keep the financial advice his mother gave him (she didn’t but if she did) secret from me when it involved our joint account. Which is very problematic view of a relationship going into a marriage. Why should I be kept in the dark about financial changes that affect both of us. It was so outlandish I’m almost wondering if that poster was being sarcastic or is a you know what. (T)

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sandyhappypeople · 23/01/2025 16:22

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 23/01/2025 16:20

I see it the opposite way. Her DIL will have to deal with her MIL always being there involved in her relationship sticking her nose where it doesn’t belong only acknowledging her son while ignoring her DIL being the third person in their marriage. Acting like his relationship with his mother comes first and is more important than the one he has with his own wife.

So you don't trust him then.

Everything you have said leads to the fact that you don't like her and don't trust him to do what is best for you as a couple.

Do you think you should even be getting married?

HollyKnight · 23/01/2025 16:22

Why are you marrying someone you think is so easily influenced by other people? Do you control his friendships too?

RoastDinnerSmellsNice · 23/01/2025 16:22

Janbluesuary · 23/01/2025 13:36

Surely this is a reverse of the post the mother posted yesterday where she was told to butt out

I thought this too!

OolongTeaDrinker · 23/01/2025 16:22

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 23/01/2025 13:31

Im American so I do accept maybe it’s an American thing to be more private about a couple’s finances. Good to know in other cultures people are more open about it. I appreciate that perspective. That gives me food for thought.

All my American friends are much more upfront about their finances than my British friends. I don't see he has done anything wrong really, it's not like he is telling her your intimate bedroom secrets or anything like that. Wouldn't it be nice if one day your future son is as close to you as your boyfriend is to his mum? From what you've said and her living 13 hours away, I think you are being quite melodramatic to say she is the third person in your relationship over this.

Completelyjo · 23/01/2025 16:22

Your partner will be influenced by a whole host of things throughout the course of life. The opinion of a coworker, the outcome of chatting to a friend, an article he read and shock horror yes by the opinion of family. You aren’t the only person in his life, he is allowed other people and thoughts that aren’t entirely vetted by you.
You can’t control every single thing that might influence his thinking!

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