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He told his mom details on our financial set up!

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ThisQuickJadeWasp · 23/01/2025 13:11

Heads up: this is a very long post with lots of background info.

I am a 25 year old woman old engaged to my fiancé who is a 29 year old man. We have been dating since I was 19 and he was 24. When I say we are madly in love with each other we are madly in love with each other. We are each others first relationships. We mesh together perfectly. We had a bit of a long engagement not due to any issues at all in our relationship just because I was in college and my fiance was still getting figured out in his career.

We both met when we both didn’t have a lot of money I was living at home with my parents and he was living with an older man that used to be his neighbor who was renting out a small spare bedroom. Since then we grown into our careers and adults lives together. He moved and we did long distance for 16 months until I got everything together and was ready to move together into our apartment and then we got a house. once we moved into the house together we decided to start sharing finances and viewing things as “our” money instead of “his” or “her” money. We have a joint account where we would put all the money in that goes towards necessities such as bills and home repairs and groceries and what not. Then based on percentages we would take out our respective amounts of the joint account for the necessities. We then have our own separate account which our “fun money” goes in and then another joint account of a budgeted amount that our savings goes in that we don’t touch.

Then this way we have the same amount left over for fun things such as he has his truck hobby with his pick up truck that he owns that he likes to tinker with and I get a pedicure and my hair colored now and again or dinner out with friends stuff like that. This is the obvious way to do it to me bc obviously we operate as a team and engaged and not roommates so we want to make sure each other has the same amount to “toy around with” so to speak. We weren’t nickel and diming each other. He makes a little over 2 times what I make not that I don’t work just as hard it’s just our chosen careers which we are both very passionate about happen to pay that amount.

We would base what we contribute financially based on percentage so we still have the same money left over and I wouldn’t be stuck with nothing or very little while he has a lot more left over. To us that’s what being a team and getting married means. He pays the mortgage and I pay utilities such as electric, water, internet, toilet trees, I pay for our home delivery meal service that comes for dinners 5 nights a week. I also am responsible for cleaning the house and if there are home repair issues or something needs to be renovated like for example our master bathroom recently got redone I handle all that. Finding the contractors to come out and manning the job and picking out what we want.

We never argue about money and we are both very happy with this financial set up and we both feel it’s very fair and equal. Multiple people have commented on how it’s beautiful we are so in love and have built our lives up together after meeting each other when we both basically had nothing or very little to our name and they can’t wait for us to be married.

The one thing we disagree about is his mother. I feel my fiancé involves her very heavily in his/our life. She lives 13 hours away and my fiancé is the oldest and she has 2 younger sons. She has a big family lots of friends and isn’t lonely by any stretch yet my fiance tells her at any given time the exact home repairs we are doing, if something goes wrong with our home, if we happen to have less money than expected. They talk everyday or just about and I feel like it’s a bit overbearing and strange given she isn’t lonely. I don’t meet that many adults who want their parents that heavily involved in their personal lives. I think I would cry and feel suffocated if my mom was that involved in the knowing of everything that happens. Well the icing on top of the cake for me was he told his mom our exact financial arrangement/set up. He told her how we have our accounts set up, who contributes what, who pays what. The only thing he didn’t tell her was how much we have in those accounts.

i cried when he told me this because I said finances and inlaws/family don’t mix. I said I understand you are close to your mom and fine even though I find it annoying that she has to know every detail of our lives telling her our exact financial set up is not ok. I said I’m beginning to feel like his mom is a third person in our relationship and there is no reason she needs to be privy to our finances and how we have it set up. I said a couple’s finances is between them and them alone and a possible financial advisor who is a professional and not a biased party like a parent and of course our bank. Unless his mom is giving us money which we are independent adults on our own two feet so she isn’t. So absolutely no reason she needs knowledge on our banking info. To me that hooks be common sense. My fiancé and I have such a solid and close relationship I also underneath the anger feel very hurt and betrayed that without me there or even checking with me he just told his mom all our financial info not even thinking about my feelings. For her to know about such private information I feel “exposed” not in the physical sense but the mental sense.

I said when we get married I don’t want to feel like your mom is the third person in our marriage. He did apologize and explain he told her because she was just talking about finances in general and it flowed with the conversation but I told him I was still upset and just needed some alone time. Not alone time to rethink the relationship obviously because every relationship has issues once in a great while but just time to calm down.

Im sure we can all agree that given his mom that much access into our financial set up isn’t a good idea but AIBU to be this upset and worked up over it? I just feel there needs to be boundaries especially as an adult in a serious relationship. And maybe when you’re a teenager telling your parents every little thing is fine but I don’t want his mom living in our pocket.

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ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 03:15

the7Vabo · 24/01/2025 02:44

This. The whole we are so madly in love repeated several times when not needed to tell the story risks sounds controlling and/or competitive with his mother.

It cones across as if you feel defensive given your are paying less.

Lots of people call their mothers daily. It sounds like something he wants rather than anything to do with her being lonely.

How does expressing my love for my partner mean I am controlling or am in competition with his mother?

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RedMentor · 24/01/2025 03:12

Usually I am in agreement with the majority voice but very clearly I am the dissenting opinion here. My opinion is so far in the other direction I am almost speechless. I must say I am surprised that no one seems to be calling his mother out for her treatment of the OP. WTF are you guys on they own a whole ass house together and are engaged with a wedding date of course it's the expectation she would vacation with her fiance.

I think it's incredibly rude to tell someone their fiance isn't invited on a trip especially with it being mentioned it's not like they are paying for her fiance. He has long been moved out if they wanted to do one last hurrah the time to do that was before he moved out of his mom's home for good. He has already entered the next chapter as a man with his partner. So these vacations should really include her. If her son was young in high school or even just starting college and he lived at home I would get it a lot more. He is an adult in a relationship and at his age some people have children of their own that are nearly 10 years old. Seems his mother still has the umbilical cord tied to her son and still sees him as a young boy who can dictate who he brings and doesn't bring on a vacation. I am just trying to see how this played out since the OP mentioned at first her fiance thought she was invited. "Mom a vacation sounds like so much fun can't wait to tell OP" then what did his mom say back, "well no honey the woman you are married isn't actually invited." Like who says that? I've been married for 15 years now but once we bought our house together after being together for 6 years and any talks of vacations came up we just assumed we were invited together. We live together family functions/trips would naturally encompass both of us. The exception being like a girl's trip or a guy's trip but a whole family trip absolutely a partner/spouse should be invited. I would have been so thrown off if my BF's family was like nope you're not invited.

I personally think your future mother in law is being very rude maybe not so much in word but in action. She is sending a rude message loud and clear by leaving you off of Christmas cards instead of addressing the couple which is what you are and straight out telling your SO you aren't invited on the vacation when you guys have been together many years and are engaged with a set wedding date. That's definitely cold behavior and speaks volumes about what you will deal with for years to come because people don't suddenly change personalities and who they are after marriage. If your soon to be mother in law is excluding you now after how long you been with her son she isn't going to suddenly change after marriage. So I know you are very much in love with your guy and you feel he is the one and that's great I am happy for you but think long and hard because you will always be sidelined by his mother. His mother is his mother she isn't going away.

That being said the fact that his mother is still treating you this way leaving you out of holiday cards and vacations and basically ignoring your very existence and place in her son's life after all this time very obviously tells me that our fiance hasn't properly stood up for you or put you first in terms of his mother because I can guarantee with how close you describe them as being if your fiance did put his mother in her place and tell her to knock it off with being rude and shutting you out she would have stopped a long time ago because she wouldn't want to risk losing her relationship with her precious boy.

Also LOL at the comments that she is exploiting her fiance when OP mentions they both agreed together on their financial setup and she pays every single bill in that household, plus cleans the whole house by herself, cooks all the dinners without him ever pitching in. I agree someone is being exploited here and it certainly isn't her fiance. He is making out like a king here by treating OP like his servant rather than his partner by having her pay every single bill, clean the whole house, and cooking all the meals all to "make up" for the fact she makes less than him despite that she works full time therefore just as hard as he does. It's an absolutely disgusting way to treat your partner like they need to do chores despite the fact that their income is completely irrelevant to who has more down time at the end of the day/night. So I am not sure how the two correlate in terms of who makes more or less.

How does making less money if you work the same amount of hours equate to having more or less down time so your fiance's logic isn't adding up here. I also don't give a crap if you agreed to this arrangement of doing all the domestic duties in the home he should have not taking advantage of you or said, "now wait a second honey that's not fair just because you make less money that doesn't mean you don't work just as hard." The fact he continued on with this dynamic means he views you as nothing more as a servant who "owes" him and he doesn't value you as his partner and his equal because a real man who loves his partner and values her wouldn't agree to those totally unfair terms.

And because she makes less which through no fault of her own that her job is underpaid also means she should have less money to play around with? How is that fair? If you are the higher earner in the relationship and you know that is the person you want to marry it should be absolute common sense to not allow your partner to end up in a position to where they can't accrue any savings of their own because they don't make a lot of money. So yes that should be cushioned with the other income as well because again a romantic relationship is a give and take a team effort. It would be awful to be like welp I make more than two times you make so I am going to have so much money left over that I am going to make out like a king and buy myself a brand new car while you are over here struggling to buy a few new needed shirts the next week or to keep afloat. I don't want to hear the, "well if she was single nonsense" because she's not so talking about hypotheticals is pointless.

You also more than have the right to have whichever relationship you want to have with your MIL and put out what she gives you. So if she shuts you out from her family well then guess what you don't have to consider her part of your family either. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Plan a vacation and tell her her partner isn't welcome and see if she is singing the same tune about how it's ok to exclude someone's partner.

Yourfootisinmysirachamayo · 24/01/2025 03:03

Wow, I feel sorry for this man.

the7Vabo · 24/01/2025 02:59

ImustLearn2Cook · 24/01/2025 02:50

FWIW Boundaries are about your choices in life, your decisions and your actions. Boundaries are not about controlling other people.

If my son or daughter got into a relationship at 24 with someone with such control issues I’d be very very concerned.

ImustLearn2Cook · 24/01/2025 02:50

FWIW Boundaries are about your choices in life, your decisions and your actions. Boundaries are not about controlling other people.

ImustLearn2Cook · 24/01/2025 02:47

@ThisQuickJadeWasp You have a lot of rules that you expect everyone else to follow, agree with and abide by. Not everyone lives by your rules and neither should they have to.

Yabu to be this upset with your partner for discussing your shared finances with his mother. He clearly didn’t know that it would bother you. So let it go.

Yanbu to communicate with each other and discuss each of your expectations of what is important to each of you in regard to what each of you want to be kept private within your relationship.

the7Vabo · 24/01/2025 02:44

PeppyGreenFinch · 23/01/2025 13:38

I asked him why is he more worried about rocking the boat when it comes to his relationship with his mother than he is when is comes to my feelings. I mean metaphorically his mother is living in our pocket with open access to our lives at any given time served up on a silver platter by my fiance.

Your choice of words is really creepy. Do you want him to tread on eggshells around you so as not to upset you? Because that’s what it sounds like.

She is not being served anything on a platter, she is your son’s confidante, and that’s good because I think he’s going to need one.

This. The whole we are so madly in love repeated several times when not needed to tell the story risks sounds controlling and/or competitive with his mother.

It cones across as if you feel defensive given your are paying less.

Lots of people call their mothers daily. It sounds like something he wants rather than anything to do with her being lonely.

SuperMaybe · 24/01/2025 02:30

This seems familiar...

OP, I speak to my Mum most days and my adult children speak or message me every day or so. Not sure if that means we are all too emeshed but it works for us. We get along well and enjoy keeping in touch.

We would all chat about finances but would leave out the details of exact amounts involved - basically just what your husband had done.

I do t understand why you are so territorial about it. It doesn't matter. You aren't in competition with his mum - the comment about you worrying about three people being in the relationship is silly especially when she lives 13 hours away.

You should enjoy your relationship and not worry about silly things. You don't need to be jealous of his Mum or the affection and closeness he has for her.

sandyhappypeople · 24/01/2025 02:29

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 02:21

I don’t think my fiancé considers the man he met when he was 18 close family. We are engaged why do you keep talking like we been dating 5 minutes? Or like his family is more important to him than me? You keep mentioning they are a family unit family unit but the mom and her husband could also split up just like me and my fiance can and then her husband is no longer family to my husband or his brothers bc he isn’t their dad.

We are engaged why do you keep talking like we been dating 5 minutes? Or like his family is more important to him than me?

no one is saying that.. literally no one, that is 100% your jealousy and insecurity talking.

you are the only one here that keeps saying his family should not be more important than you.. literally everyone on this post is saying it separate from you and not in direct competition.

You can have a family unit (mum dad (or step dad), siblings etc)
You can have a separate family unit (spouse, partner, children etc).

While your priority will always be with your partner and children, one is not "more important" than the other, him loving them and wanting to spend time with them, doesn't mean he doesn't love you or want to spend time with you.

You keep saying he shouldn't need that other family unit because he has you.. that is what is controlling.

MermaidMummy06 · 24/01/2025 02:26

I haven't read the whole thread... But... I'd be setting clear boundaries about what information he can't share with his mother. Nothing personal, like your health info, or how much money you make/have. It's pretty common to discuss the bank account setup, as long as MIL isn't trying to change it.

What I noticed most was you being responsible for the cleaning, meals & maintenance. Sort that out now & make it shared. Otherwise you're in for a lifetime of being the primary cleaner, cook, and mental load carrier.

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 02:24

sandyhappypeople · 24/01/2025 02:11

It should either be all SO or none.

With regards to the two people organising it that is utter nonsense, if it the MIL and partner paying for and organising all this it would be assumed that they both would be going.. they are the parental figures and they have invited the children to go with them (plural), they were a family unit long before you came along and will be a family unit if you split up, and it would be perfectly normal for them to want to go on holiday as a family unit.

But.. lets follow the logic here.. all children should be free to bring partners, or NONE of them should, I agree with that, but that isn't what has happened, none were invited, and if all children bring partners you have turned a family trip of 5 people which is easy to accommodate, to a large trip of 8 (+ kids if the siblings have children), which is harder to accommodate, costs an awful lot more and will certainly not be as harmonious when you put 4 couples together who don't know each other very well.

But you haven't considered any of that, because you seem to only think about yourself and your own selfish wants and needs as more important than literally everything else, including your fiance or your relationship.

You don't want your future husband to discuss his day to day life with his mum in case he says something you aren't happy with, but you are quite happy to slag him off on here behind his back to anyone who will listen.

The double standards are incredible.

double standard that she expects my fiancé to view her husband as family and respect him enough to vacation with him while not respecting her son’s relationship. This man didn’t raise my fiancé. He barely even lived in the same home as him so no he isn’t a “family unit” with my fiancé and of course he is going to view his fiancé as more his family than his mom’s husband. Why would he view someone else’s partner as more his family?

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sandyhappypeople · 24/01/2025 02:22

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 02:05

Why is it concerning to consider our personal couple information private? Some people are more private than others that’s personality based.

its not walling off to have some boundaries as a couple. In fact most people would suggest it’s healthy for couples to have some degree of privacy about things that are for them as a couple.

also that’s part of healthy adult relationship with your parents as you grow older there is a sense of healthy adult separation. You are forming your own family and growing into an adult. The other extreme of over involvement form family is just as unhealthy.

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its not walling off to have some boundaries as a couple.

Except you don't have the same view on what those boundaries actually are, so no, you don't have boundaries 'as a couple', they are YOUR boundaries that you are forcing him to accept, you have decided for both of you where you draw the line and have cried and sulked until he has agreed with you and been forced to apologise.

It's not healthy behaviour, it's controlling, and it doesn't even mean he agrees with you, if he agreed with your 'boundaries' he wouldn't have shared that information in the first place, he has only apologised to keep the peace and to shut you up.

You are forcing him to modify his behaviour to please you, it is not the basis of a healthy marriage.

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 02:21

sandyhappypeople · 24/01/2025 02:11

It should either be all SO or none.

With regards to the two people organising it that is utter nonsense, if it the MIL and partner paying for and organising all this it would be assumed that they both would be going.. they are the parental figures and they have invited the children to go with them (plural), they were a family unit long before you came along and will be a family unit if you split up, and it would be perfectly normal for them to want to go on holiday as a family unit.

But.. lets follow the logic here.. all children should be free to bring partners, or NONE of them should, I agree with that, but that isn't what has happened, none were invited, and if all children bring partners you have turned a family trip of 5 people which is easy to accommodate, to a large trip of 8 (+ kids if the siblings have children), which is harder to accommodate, costs an awful lot more and will certainly not be as harmonious when you put 4 couples together who don't know each other very well.

But you haven't considered any of that, because you seem to only think about yourself and your own selfish wants and needs as more important than literally everything else, including your fiance or your relationship.

You don't want your future husband to discuss his day to day life with his mum in case he says something you aren't happy with, but you are quite happy to slag him off on here behind his back to anyone who will listen.

The double standards are incredible.

I don’t think my fiancé considers the man he met when he was 18 close family. We are engaged why do you keep talking like we been dating 5 minutes? Or like his family is more important to him than me? You keep mentioning they are a family unit family unit but the mom and her husband could also split up just like me and my fiance can and then her husband is no longer family to my husband or his brothers bc he isn’t their dad.

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LondonLawyer · 24/01/2025 02:12

"Extreme over involvement" might well be a bad thing (extremes are almost always bad by definition, surely?) but I struggle to see anything you've said as being "extreme". "This is how we structure our finances" doesn't appear to me to be remotely over involved, especially as you say no figures were mentioned, just principles. Chatting to your Mum regularly doesn't appear to me to be "extreme" either.

My parents and my DH get on very well, and always have done, but obviously I want to spend more time with my family than he wants to spend with his in-laws. My Mum and I took our sons away for a week in Greece last summer - neither my Dad nor my DH came with us. No tantrums by anyone, we had a fantastic time, and Dad and DH were happy for us.

sandyhappypeople · 24/01/2025 02:11

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 01:10

It’s not entitled it’s being consistent. If her partner gets to go the dynamics are already changed. Maybe to my fiancé his step father who he isn’t close with changes the dynamic of being with his mom and brothers. It should either be all SO or none. Of course it isn’t law they have to invite me but cmon now you have to see how it’s in poor form and rude to exclude me when her son is nearly 30 and treating his relationship like some 16 year old relationship rather than her adult son being in an adult committed relationship engaged with a wedding date and living together. It’s just super weird to tell someone they flat out can’t bring their partner. What if we never got married and were together many many years should I always be excluded? Of course my fiancé is going to put our relationship first and decline the invite when his fiancé is excluded especially bc it really upset me. So him going would be saying despite my mom rudely excluding my fiancé who will soon be my wife and it upsets her I’m going to go is giving her the green light and signing off on his mom’s rude behavior.

whine if it was reverse and my fiancé said he was planning a family trip and told his mom I’m invited and her and his brothers but she can’t bring her partner. Everyone would have his head for that and say wait no their relationship needs to be respected.

this is crazy the lengths you guys are going to justify her excluding me. She is paying for herself and her husband but not for my fiancé. He is paying his own way. Even if she was it would be super weird to pay his way and not us as a couple. You just don’t do that at this stage in the relationship

It should either be all SO or none.

With regards to the two people organising it that is utter nonsense, if it the MIL and partner paying for and organising all this it would be assumed that they both would be going.. they are the parental figures and they have invited the children to go with them (plural), they were a family unit long before you came along and will be a family unit if you split up, and it would be perfectly normal for them to want to go on holiday as a family unit.

But.. lets follow the logic here.. all children should be free to bring partners, or NONE of them should, I agree with that, but that isn't what has happened, none were invited, and if all children bring partners you have turned a family trip of 5 people which is easy to accommodate, to a large trip of 8 (+ kids if the siblings have children), which is harder to accommodate, costs an awful lot more and will certainly not be as harmonious when you put 4 couples together who don't know each other very well.

But you haven't considered any of that, because you seem to only think about yourself and your own selfish wants and needs as more important than literally everything else, including your fiance or your relationship.

You don't want your future husband to discuss his day to day life with his mum in case he says something you aren't happy with, but you are quite happy to slag him off on here behind his back to anyone who will listen.

The double standards are incredible.

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 02:05

LondonLawyer · 24/01/2025 02:04

I talk to my mother most days. She's not lonely or weird, and neither am I. I actually like my Mum! Why wouldn't we be close? I talk to my Dad a fair bit, too, but not as often, he's not the chatty-by-phone type.

Discussing personal finances widely is very uncommon in the UK, I think, but discussing financial arrangements less so - how you arrange your money is different from the pounds, shillings and pence detail.

I don't see anything over-sharing here, and I'd be more worried about your determination to wall yourself off as a couple from his mother.

Why is it concerning to consider our personal couple information private? Some people are more private than others that’s personality based.

its not walling off to have some boundaries as a couple. In fact most people would suggest it’s healthy for couples to have some degree of privacy about things that are for them as a couple.

also that’s part of healthy adult relationship with your parents as you grow older there is a sense of healthy adult separation. You are forming your own family and growing into an adult. The other extreme of over involvement form family is just as unhealthy.

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LondonLawyer · 24/01/2025 02:04

I talk to my mother most days. She's not lonely or weird, and neither am I. I actually like my Mum! Why wouldn't we be close? I talk to my Dad a fair bit, too, but not as often, he's not the chatty-by-phone type.

Discussing personal finances widely is very uncommon in the UK, I think, but discussing financial arrangements less so - how you arrange your money is different from the pounds, shillings and pence detail.

I don't see anything over-sharing here, and I'd be more worried about your determination to wall yourself off as a couple from his mother.

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 01:48

HollyKnight · 24/01/2025 01:37

Who says she wants her relationship respected? Maybe she's like the rest of us and just gets on with it without expecting other people to worship her relationship with her partner. You are not her daughter. When you marry her son, you will still not be her daughter. She didn't choose you. Her son chose you. That is who you are in a relationship with. That is who you will be creating a family with. No matter how much you hate it, her son will always be her son. Nothing you do will change that.

It's interesting how you think you will control her seeing her grandchildren. Will your partner not get a say in that? You better be careful. If you go too far with your manipulation and control, he might wake up and see you for what you are.

Please stop implying her relationship with her son trumps my relationship with my fiance. You keep saying her son her son putting my relationship as his fiance in a secondary position to her relationship to her son. You want to talk about manipulation and control sure we can have that conversation. Controlling who her adult son brings on vacation which is a sign she can’t cut the apron strings. Saying he will regret it later on bc he simply told her she needs to moving forward include me as his fiancé in Christmas cards. What about her transgressions? She isn’t innocent here either. Of course he will get a say in who sees the kids but I’m saying me myself I won’t be considering her part of my family with my husband and children if she says I’m not family. But yet she will be crying to my husband my DIL doesn’t keep things equal between the families in terms of the GC. Well the response to that would be why should she you made it clear she isn’t family and you haven’t respected her relationship with her husband so why should she? My fiancé already tried to show a united front in telling her that she excluded me and she needs to not do that so you think my husband will continue to be as close if she continues to push me out?

interesting how I need to respect his relationship and bond with his mother but she doesn’t need to respect our relationship as his fiancé and my bond with him.

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HollyKnight · 24/01/2025 01:37

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 01:28

Yes but my point is she wants her relationship respected but doesn’t want to respect her son’s. We are engaged and live together family functions and trips we should be a package deal for. If it was just a mother and son trip totally get it. My fiancé and I are family to each and other we been through a lot together and the relationship should be respected. Just like she is free to invite whoever she wants her son is free to decline as well. He is an adult. He did decline and she got very upset. If my fiancé is paying for himself he should be able to bring his fiancé.

I am really shocked so many think this is perfectly ok or normal behavior. Clearly by doing this my FMIL isn’t looking at the big picture for years to come. People don’t tend to forget how people made them feel that doesn’t just go away and welcoming her son’s partner into the family before he is about to get married by slamming the door in her face once last time before the wedding isn’t the way into her DIL’s good graces. Clearly it’s already negatively affecting her relationship with her son since he told her he wasn’t going somewhere where his soon to be wife wasn’t welcome and to not leave me off of holiday cards/gfits. Also when grandchildren are born maybe I won’t be so quick to consider her part of my new little family since she doesn’t consider me part of hers or is not respecting her son’s relationship with his fiancé. I won’t be chomping at the bit to give her grandchildren time and why should I? I’m not family remember? So she’s not my family either. How you treat people has a funny way of coming back to bite you in the ass and what goes around comes around.

Who says she wants her relationship respected? Maybe she's like the rest of us and just gets on with it without expecting other people to worship her relationship with her partner. You are not her daughter. When you marry her son, you will still not be her daughter. She didn't choose you. Her son chose you. That is who you are in a relationship with. That is who you will be creating a family with. No matter how much you hate it, her son will always be her son. Nothing you do will change that.

It's interesting how you think you will control her seeing her grandchildren. Will your partner not get a say in that? You better be careful. If you go too far with your manipulation and control, he might wake up and see you for what you are.

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 01:28

HollyKnight · 24/01/2025 01:19

It wasn't your fiancé's bloody holiday. It doesn't matter that he isn't related to his mother's partner. It wasn't his holiday. It was his mother's and her partner's holiday. Do you not understand that you and your fella are not the centre of the universe? Other people's existence isn't in relation to you or your fiancé.

Yes but my point is she wants her relationship respected but doesn’t want to respect her son’s. We are engaged and live together family functions and trips we should be a package deal for. If it was just a mother and son trip totally get it. My fiancé and I are family to each and other we been through a lot together and the relationship should be respected. Just like she is free to invite whoever she wants her son is free to decline as well. He is an adult. He did decline and she got very upset. If my fiancé is paying for himself he should be able to bring his fiancé.

I am really shocked so many think this is perfectly ok or normal behavior. Clearly by doing this my FMIL isn’t looking at the big picture for years to come. People don’t tend to forget how people made them feel that doesn’t just go away and welcoming her son’s partner into the family before he is about to get married by slamming the door in her face once last time before the wedding isn’t the way into her DIL’s good graces. Clearly it’s already negatively affecting her relationship with her son since he told her he wasn’t going somewhere where his soon to be wife wasn’t welcome and to not leave me off of holiday cards/gfits. Also when grandchildren are born maybe I won’t be so quick to consider her part of my new little family since she doesn’t consider me part of hers or is not respecting her son’s relationship with his fiancé. I won’t be chomping at the bit to give her grandchildren time and why should I? I’m not family remember? So she’s not my family either. How you treat people has a funny way of coming back to bite you in the ass and what goes around comes around.

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HollyKnight · 24/01/2025 01:19

It wasn't your fiancé's bloody holiday. It doesn't matter that he isn't related to his mother's partner. It wasn't his holiday. It was his mother's and her partner's holiday. Do you not understand that you and your fella are not the centre of the universe? Other people's existence isn't in relation to you or your fiancé.

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 01:19

Runingoncaffeine · 24/01/2025 01:14

Are you sure you want to marry him? I know you are in love, but marriage is a serious commitment, and you need to be rational here.

To be fair he did back me up on the vacation thing and the Christmas card thing and showed a united front by saying if my fiancé isn’t welcome then I’m not attending and told his mom we are engaged about to be married and living together cards should acknowledge both members of the couple unless it’s my birthday. But holiday cards yes. She did pitch a fit over the card and laid the guilt trip on him which many posters are conveniently overlooking by saying she is his mother and he will regret setting that boundary with her and blood is thicker than water. And the guilt trip didn’t work on him. He also said blood is thicker than water yet your partner isn’t my blood or your blood yet invited on this family vacation where as you are telling me at nearly 30 years old to leave the woman at home who I love and this is putting me in a bad position bc this will understandably so hurt and upset her and again not make her feel welcome. She wouldn’t budge. She isn’t paying for my fiancé either. This shows her true feelings for me and shows that she is willing to start off our relationship as MIL/DIL off on the wrong foot. I’m curious if I will suddenly be importantly to her once her grandchildren are born. Funny how I’m sure I will be family enough to where she will want open access to my children bc it’s her “right” as the grandmother.

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Runingoncaffeine · 24/01/2025 01:16

I wouldn’t proceed with marriage at this time. There are far too many red flags here.

ThisQuickJadeWasp · 24/01/2025 01:14

SomethingStinky · 23/01/2025 22:52

She planned a vacation with her, her husband, my fiance, and his brothers (we were engaged at the time and living together so rude I wasn’t invited) and when he said I will have to check our schedules she said she was only doing it the five of them

Were the other brothers partners invited or was it some quality time alone with their children? If either it was meant for just their children, or your fiance is the only one paired up, then it would make sense for it to just be them.

He is the only one paired up but his mom gets to bring her partner? Who is not any of the kid’s father but her son who is a grown man living in an adult relationship with his partner can’t be his? It’s not like this man raised him since birth my fiancé was 18 when he came into the picture so it’s hypocritical that she can bring her partner but he can’t bring his. To my fiancé I’m a lot more family to him than this man he met at 18

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Runingoncaffeine · 24/01/2025 01:14

Are you sure you want to marry him? I know you are in love, but marriage is a serious commitment, and you need to be rational here.

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