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AIBU to be surprised that when you renew a British Passport, you have to send any passports off you have from other countries?

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PassportQuestionxoxo · 23/01/2025 10:05

Just renewing British passport. In the last few years, have gained an Irish passport. I was surprised to find that in order to renew my British passport, I need to send my Irish passport to the British Passport office as well. The only alternative to sending off the Irish passport, is to do a colour photocopy of all the 30+ pages, which would be a massive task.
Is anyone else surprised by this or is it just me? I had thought that one of the advantages to having a second passport is that you can use it when the other one is not available. Yes, I know that I could photocopy the second passport if desperate, but what a faff, and why does the British Passport Office want my Irish passport anyway?

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PassportQuestionxoxo · 24/01/2025 18:23

LoneAndLoco · 24/01/2025 04:44

It isn’t 1976 - photocopying isn’t onerous or expensive. Most people have home printers or maybe jobs where you can do a quick bit of copying. It’s not cheap to renew a passport, just accept this is part of the cost. You are in a privileged position having two passports.

Well if you had read the thread, you would have realised that I have already sent the passport off, so I'm not sure of the value of your contribution!

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PassportQuestionxoxo · 24/01/2025 18:13

sashh · 24/01/2025 04:29

If you decide to copy it do it this way.

Take a photo with your phone of each page. Then using word or another word processor make a table with 30 slots.

Paste each photo into one of slots. You might need to resize the table or use more than one on different pages.

Make the table outline disappear.

Print out the 3 - 4 pages.

That's a cool way of doing it! Great idea. I've sent the passport itself to the passport office already this time though 😊

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HipToTheHopDontStop · 24/01/2025 11:42

Porridgeislife · 24/01/2025 05:37

Day to day, yes, but not in your passports. The UK will only issue a passport in the same name as your foreign passport. There’s limited exceptions for situations where e.g. your foreign passport issuing authority won’t accept a name change but you have to evidence it fully.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/names-aligning-names-on-foreign-documents/names-aligning-names-on-foreign-documents-accessible#:~:text=Customers%20must%20apply%20for%20a,may%20not%20be%20able%20to.

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You can have a British passport in your usual name and an Irish passport in the Irish version of your name, which can be quite different.

HipToTheHopDontStop · 24/01/2025 11:38

HelenaWaiting · 24/01/2025 05:30

You're confusing withdrawing a passport and withdrawing citizenship. It's entirely possible to withdraw a passport, often for the purpose of restricting travel. The refusal/withdrawal of a passport does not remove the person's citizenship. Also - please don't advise people to "not be concerned about" matters of law. You're hardly going to be there to pick up the pieces if someone takes your advice and it goes wrong.

No, I'm not. I'm talking about the rules for withdrawing a passport, it's pretty hard to do and has to be justified and proportional.
You can't get your passport withdrawn because you failed to declare you also legally have another one.

Also, I didn't advise anyone not to be concerned. I said I wouldn't be concerned. I'm sure you can appreciate the difference.

WatchOutMissMarpleIsAbout · 24/01/2025 10:08

Well we checked & dc didn’t say had another passport as had forgotten about it! So a dilemma
do we say anything or just leave it. Doesn’t really use it much. Older dc does but had already put that had another passport when British one needed renewal.

Hoppinggreen · 24/01/2025 10:03

WhisperingTree · 24/01/2025 05:34

The normal way to travel as a dual citizen is to use your British passport to leave and enter the UK. You then use your other passport to enter and leave the other country. I visit my parents who live overseas and I have never renewed that passport and the last one expired 30 years ago. I have only renewed my ID card but I won’t bother if my parents didn’t ask me to. They feel strongly about it and I don’t.

This is exactly what DH and the DC do when we travel in The EU, mostly to avoid queues.
To date I have gone through with them using my UK passport and its always been ok but with the changes coming I will probably have to go through seperately soon.
We were told to do it like that in Portugal as the majority of the group had EU passports and have done it ever since in a few EU countries.

WatchOutMissMarpleIsAbout · 24/01/2025 06:04

Oh gosh
I think when we renewed dc they ticked no for other nationality passport but I honestly can’t remember
wonder what happens if we find out subsequently and tell them

Porridgeislife · 24/01/2025 05:37

Everythingisnumbersnow · 23/01/2025 11:35

You're entitled to use different names

Day to day, yes, but not in your passports. The UK will only issue a passport in the same name as your foreign passport. There’s limited exceptions for situations where e.g. your foreign passport issuing authority won’t accept a name change but you have to evidence it fully.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/names-aligning-names-on-foreign-documents/names-aligning-names-on-foreign-documents-accessible#:~:text=Customers%20must%20apply%20for%20a,may%20not%20be%20able%20to.

Names: aligning names on foreign documents (accessible)

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/names-aligning-names-on-foreign-documents/names-aligning-names-on-foreign-documents-accessible#:~:text=Customers%20must%20apply%20for%20a,may%20not%20be%20able%20to.

WhisperingTree · 24/01/2025 05:34

The normal way to travel as a dual citizen is to use your British passport to leave and enter the UK. You then use your other passport to enter and leave the other country. I visit my parents who live overseas and I have never renewed that passport and the last one expired 30 years ago. I have only renewed my ID card but I won’t bother if my parents didn’t ask me to. They feel strongly about it and I don’t.

HelenaWaiting · 24/01/2025 05:30

HipToTheHopDontStop · 23/01/2025 10:50

I wouldn't be concerned about that. It's almost impossible to withdraw a British passport from a British citizen for all but extremely serious reasons

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You're confusing withdrawing a passport and withdrawing citizenship. It's entirely possible to withdraw a passport, often for the purpose of restricting travel. The refusal/withdrawal of a passport does not remove the person's citizenship. Also - please don't advise people to "not be concerned about" matters of law. You're hardly going to be there to pick up the pieces if someone takes your advice and it goes wrong.

WhisperingTree · 24/01/2025 05:26

@Blue278 but dual citizens exit on a British passport anyway. You can’t exit as a foreigner without an entry permit surely. If they travel to the UK on a foreign passport in a different name, I am not sure they know who you are unless you have declared it before? For example if a British citizen moved to Japan 30 years ago, and now travel in a Japanese passport, at what point was he supposed to have declared Japanese citizenship to the UK? I picked a non English country as an example as their passport is likely to be using a foreign name.

Blue278 · 24/01/2025 05:16

There are huge numbers of British people with dual nationality and known by various names. If the police or other authorities want to issue a border alert on your exit or entry they need to know how you might be travelling. What nationality and what name.
What additional information might be recorded on your other passport.
A person might be using a variation of the name they have in their other passport.
Should be OK to send in only the biodata page though.

WhisperingTree · 24/01/2025 05:15

EmmaMaria · 23/01/2025 11:51

Well that is the decider then. I have three passports - dual citizen and also Irish - and I was thinking that at my age three passports really aren't necessary and are expensive. British passport is binned when it comes to renewal - I use the other two more anyway!

I never renewed the others. I just keep one passport. I also have three citizenships. One of them I use my ID card or British passport to enter and leave. I was able to queue as citizen even with only a British passport (when I have ID card renewed). The other I haven’t been back. DH had been back and used his British passport too, not sure if he queued as citizen or foreigner.

It’s also the reason I didn’t apply passports for my children when I got them citizenship by descent.

Too much faff with multiple passports. Mine isn’t useful and neither insists you enter with their passport.

RayonSunrise · 24/01/2025 05:05

@PassportQuestionxoxo Don't worry, the passport will be returned quickly. I send a ton off when my kids need renewals and the UK passport office is really fast. It's probably the most compétant gov service these days!

RayonSunrise · 24/01/2025 05:01

Tomatotater · 23/01/2025 14:23

Do you actually need two passports though? You are still a citizen even if you don't have a passport. My DH got an Irish passport and just hasn't bothered renewing his British passport. He travels on his Irish passport ( which allows all of us to go through the EU queue with him.

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Yes. Canadians must enter Canada using their Canadian passports (no "I didn't bother getting/renewing," excuse), and when returning to the U.K. it's much better to re-enter with your British passport so the Border officers know you have a right to stay in the country.

CobraChicken · 24/01/2025 04:52

GoldenSunflowers · 23/01/2025 14:38

DD had to do this recently. Our home printer was useless, as usual, and I couldn’t find anywhere locally. I’m sure I did some photocopies at a local photo shop years and years ago but that shop’s no longer there, nothing at the Post Office, nothing at Tesco, she was on holiday from Uni so no access there. Where do you even look for this if you don’t have a colour printer at home? I know it’s a 1st world problem when you have 2 passports.

In my son's case, they let him do free colour copies at the library.

CobraChicken · 24/01/2025 04:49

ILikeDinosaurs · 23/01/2025 12:10

Instead of photocopying could you not scan/photograph the pages of your Irish passport and email them that as a PDF document?

Nope. My son just renewed his British passport and had to send the paper copy of all the pages of his Canadian passport. They definitely wouldn't accept it electronically.

LoneAndLoco · 24/01/2025 04:44

It isn’t 1976 - photocopying isn’t onerous or expensive. Most people have home printers or maybe jobs where you can do a quick bit of copying. It’s not cheap to renew a passport, just accept this is part of the cost. You are in a privileged position having two passports.

sashh · 24/01/2025 04:29

PassportQuestionxoxo · 23/01/2025 10:16

It's over 30 pages long, so hardly a five minute task!
I now wish I just hadn't admitted having the Irish Passport now as many of you have suggested!

Edited

If you decide to copy it do it this way.

Take a photo with your phone of each page. Then using word or another word processor make a table with 30 slots.

Paste each photo into one of slots. You might need to resize the table or use more than one on different pages.

Make the table outline disappear.

Print out the 3 - 4 pages.

PassportQuestionxoxo · 23/01/2025 21:05

Jc2001 · 23/01/2025 21:00

Ok. Not 5 mins but only something you have to do every 10 years.

Well I've sent to Irish Passport off rather than photocopying the pages. Fingers crossed they get it back to me!

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Jc2001 · 23/01/2025 21:00

PassportQuestionxoxo · 23/01/2025 10:16

It's over 30 pages long, so hardly a five minute task!
I now wish I just hadn't admitted having the Irish Passport now as many of you have suggested!

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Ok. Not 5 mins but only something you have to do every 10 years.

Tomatotater · 23/01/2025 20:43

HipToTheHopDontStop · 23/01/2025 20:31

You should bother. If you're an EU citizen they can derive rights as the dependents of an EU citizen. You can also extend rights to your spouse as well as elderly parents in some circumstances.

Oh do they? It's quite complicated as I am entitled to Portuguese citizenship as my grandparents were born in a Portuguese colony but the citizenship only goes as far back as grandparents. DH has an Irish passport anyway so they presumably would get dependent rights that way.

HipToTheHopDontStop · 23/01/2025 20:31

Tomatotater · 23/01/2025 17:31

Oh yeah in that case not worth the risk. I can get a European passport but my kids can't so I haven't bothered. I didn't think about the complications of kids having a British passport and both parents with separate nationality passports. I may go citizenship and ID card if I do it then.

You should bother. If you're an EU citizen they can derive rights as the dependents of an EU citizen. You can also extend rights to your spouse as well as elderly parents in some circumstances.

Tomatotater · 23/01/2025 17:31

PassportQuestionxoxo · 23/01/2025 15:08

Probably wise not to risk it!

Oh yeah in that case not worth the risk. I can get a European passport but my kids can't so I haven't bothered. I didn't think about the complications of kids having a British passport and both parents with separate nationality passports. I may go citizenship and ID card if I do it then.

unsync · 23/01/2025 17:22

I just sent copies of the bio pages. My UK passport has the details of my other passport in the notes section.