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DS doesn’t want us to contact him while he is travelling

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alizea · 23/01/2025 01:51

DS has recently turned 25, he has a degree, was working in a good job and doing some sports coaching on the side. He was in a fairly cheap flat share so able to save good money.

In September he announced he was taking 3 months off work (approved sabbatical apparently) and going to Australia and New Zealand to clear his head. He had a nasty break up at the start of last year and was devastated so we obviously supported him and he has lots of savings plus a lump sum from the death of my sister who left an amount to all her nieces and nephews.

Anyway, he came home just before Christmas, seemed normal and was talking about going back to work etc. He has now decided to quit his job, and he is heading to Thailand next week. He has told us he will be travelling with a girl he met while in Australia, very cagey about giving us any info on her, other than she's 22 and "not British or Aussie or that". Obviously we are worried and this is out of character but he's an adult.

Well tonight he sat us down and basically said he needs space from us, I asked why and he said he feels like we were neglectful of him when he was a child and favoured his sisters and as an adult haven't been supportive, especially during his break up. I got very upset as this really took me by surprise and I asked him over and over how we can make things better and apologised for failing him in anyway. He has asked us not to contact him while he is travelling, he said he doesn't know his full plans yet but unlikely he will be home before the end of the year. He said he plans to spend some time in South East Asia and East Asia through the end of spring, then summer in Europe, then Autumn and Early Winter in South America and Central America.
He has said he may visit in the summer as the girl he is travelling with has never been to London and would like to but plans are flexible and we shouldn't expect anything. He has requested we don't call or message him but we can continue following him on Instagram.

I don't really know what to do, the thought of him travelling and being unable to check in makes me so nervous and I'm really concerned about this somewhat sudden revelation about us not being great parents to him, I've always tried my best and I never ever wanted to let him down.

AIBU to be concerned? He said we can message him with questions etc. until he leaves but then nothing. Im such a mix of worry, upset and fear that I don't know what to do.

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Arseynal · 23/01/2025 07:44

All your “fairness” has left him with the shitty end of the stick. It’s only “fair” that he gets the smallest room because his younger sisters have more stuff. It’s only fair that he gets the bus and his sisters get lifts because…well it’s just fairer that way. It’s only fair that his sister is allowed to go around saying he’s awful because her friend doesn’t like him. It’s only fair that when he comes to visit his mum his ex girlfriend is there because she moved back and he didn’t and for some reason her and his sister who thinks he’s awful can’t go to her house.

The room and the lifts is small stuff, but annoying when you are the one with the small room and the wait at the bus stop. You hosting his ex after a really messy break up is a “fuck you”. He probably shouldn’t have shit on his own doorstep but now he has it would be nice if his mum was on his side. It would be nice if his sister didn’t think she could live at her mums while being a dick to her mums other child. Being unwelcome now has probably made him think of those small things in the past where his sisters wants have been prioritised over his and he’s pissed off about it, despite being a grown man living independently. You probably would have been better off saying “yeah, it was a bit crap that you got the small room and we never took you anywhere and we have your ex over all the time” instead of “but your sisters wanted the bigger rooms, your sisters wanted lifts, your sister thinks you are awful and wants your ex here”
That said, it is a bit dramatic but it’s not better to just go and grey rock you, which was the easier option for him.

lottiegarbanzo · 23/01/2025 07:43

Reading about all his studying and work suggests this is his first real chance for a break, between childhood, study and preparation for life and the actual life. It's his gap year. The break-up will have intensified things. Just give him space and he'll get things out of his system.

BogRollBOGOF · 23/01/2025 07:43

He's 25, he's doing well in life. Let him have the personal space he needs.

The ex-girlfriend situation sounds rather enmeshed, and it's not suprising that he needs space from that situation.

The ability to keep in touch regularly while travelling is very new. When I went travelling for months about 15 years ago, smart phones were still niche, roaming data extorotionate and it was still the phase of logging on to desk top computers in internet cafes, in hostels to check emails and facebook and finding pay phones for a sporadic check-in. At that point in time it wasn't worth taking a mobile phone. Kindles hadn't quite come in so it was book swapping for entertainment.

15 years ago a young adult didn't need to "lay down boundaries" about going lower contact, because it wasn't assumed that you'd be in touch constantly.

This is the first generation expected to live near literally in their parents' pockets and be constantly in touch. Their ability to be spontaneous has been curtailed by being mindful of embarassing things being put on social media (plus pandemic restrictions ripping through university life). When they take a step back from it all, it all sounds rather dramatic and formal. Previous generations could do it much more naturally.

porridgebath · 23/01/2025 07:43

Coriol · 23/01/2025 07:08

This.

I would also ask, if possible, if he would agree to send a weekly text just saying ‘All ok here’ or something.

Does he do that at the moment in this country?

LostittoBostik · 23/01/2025 07:43

Oh gosh this is such a sensitive situation. He clearly feels due to those random occurrences that his sister's desires for a friendship are more important than his feelings of being emotionally betrayed.

The difficult thing for you as a family - particularly as there's nothing you could have done about this except perhaps bar her from your home, which would have been extreme - is that female friendships like this often last forever. So his sense of betrayal will unlikely ever go, even if it eases with time.

The best you can hope for is ex gf meets someone and stays with them and chooses to live a long way from your home town so she's no longer a constant in your DD's life

Whyherewego · 23/01/2025 07:42

Reading your updates OP, I can see his POV. I'm the oldest and was always expected to babysit and take care of my siblings. I don't think parents always realise that their first kid had to break all the barriers for the others, how much pocket money, going out for parties, acceptance of boy/girlfriends etc . It does rankles a bit when you see your siblings cruising through these without any issue whereas each one of those was a debate.

I also can see how hard it was for DS. If you had been cheated on by an ex and kept going back to your family.home and seeing the ex. That would rankle a bit. By not taking sides, you essentially took a side, because you effective implied you didn't believe DS. Because if you had then you'd have taken his side.

If I were you I'd write to him and thank him for clarification. Tell.him you can see his POV and that you realise you are being insensitive about the ex, and that you hadn't realised that the rooms etc were a source of concern and it wasn't driven out of favourites but practicality but you can see now how it came across. And that you love him and you want to mend these bridges if possible. Tell him you wish him well for the trip and you'd love to follow his IG and if he wanted to drop you the odd message you'd be delighted.

TangerineClementine · 23/01/2025 07:42

Starlight7080 · 23/01/2025 07:33

Maybe travelling will open his eyes to how spoilt and self entitled he is.
He sounds like a brat who hasn't grown up.
Angry at not having the bigger bedroom!!
You should have told him lots of kids share a room with 2 siblings .
No lifts and had to get a train!! Again completely ridiculous.
He is trying to make drama and oh feel sorry for me . I had such a hard childhood.
Sounds like he had a loving family and also inherited a lot of money at a young age
He really needs to grow up

It's a comparison thing though. It's not that he didn't get lifts, it's that his sisters did and he didn't.

porridgebath · 23/01/2025 07:41

alizea · 23/01/2025 07:06

I can appreciate how the break up seems insensitive on our part. DS doesn't live at home, his ex moved back after she graduated in summer and lives a few streets away.
We based our choice on her being around on the fact that he rarely just pops home, maybe once a month he would catch a train and "surprise" visit. 2 times his ex has been here but has left as soon as he arrived.
DD does live at home so it seemed odd to ban someone from our house for the sake of the occasional visits DS would make, I can see that might not have been the right choice though.

Can you not see how that would hurt? You come home to see your family and your ex is there?

Butchyrestingface · 23/01/2025 07:41

Starlight7080 · 23/01/2025 07:33

Maybe travelling will open his eyes to how spoilt and self entitled he is.
He sounds like a brat who hasn't grown up.
Angry at not having the bigger bedroom!!
You should have told him lots of kids share a room with 2 siblings .
No lifts and had to get a train!! Again completely ridiculous.
He is trying to make drama and oh feel sorry for me . I had such a hard childhood.
Sounds like he had a loving family and also inherited a lot of money at a young age
He really needs to grow up

Have you read all of OP's posts? There's a huge dripfeed coming.

And no, it's not that she has embossed stationary with the caption girlmum, although she might. Grin

TorroFerney · 23/01/2025 07:41

Viviennemary · 23/01/2025 06:56

Quite. No wonder your DS feels sidelined. Ex girlfriend still a frequent visitor to your house. His sister taking the side of the ex because it is her friend. No wonder your DS wants to get away. Think yourself lucky he isn't stopping contact permanently.

Agree , and he may have told the new girlfriend, she’s said (not unreasonably) that’s awful and given him food for thought/another perspective when his own family have proceeded like it’s totally normal. That’s often how we realise people’s behaviour, especially parents, is not quite right as when you are in it and it’s your normality you just don’t know.

Peaceandquietandacuppa · 23/01/2025 07:39

FictionalCharacter · 23/01/2025 03:12

I feel like I’m seeing more and more parents of adult children whose kids, after having led a privileged and loved life, turn round and proclaim what a terrible childhood they had
I agree @JandamiHash and I think social media has a lot do do with it. Instagram and the like are full of this. Young people are encouraged to criticise their childhood and everything the way their parents brought them up, to an extreme degree so that almost all of them will decide their parents were neglectful or failed them.

I agree. There are so many pseudo therapists/ life coaches etc on Instagram and all this stuff about breaking the cycle etc.

Becoming an adult is tough and it’s like he’s trying to blame any struggles he’s having on his childhood.

shinebrightlikeanemerald · 23/01/2025 07:38

Tell him you love him and let him live his life how he chooses. Empathize with him about his feelings of feeling unsupported and explain that you had no idea you were favoring his sisters. When he is ready to talk about his feelings with you tell him that you will always be there to listen.

He is an adult now and his decisions are his alone to make.

Get on with your own life.

I would respect his wishes.

Kindling1970 · 23/01/2025 07:38

JandamiHash · 23/01/2025 02:03

I feel like I’m seeing more and more parents of adult children whose kids, after having led a privileged and loved life, turn round and proclaim what a terrible childhood they had because <insert non-issue of privileged child who never had to endure real hardship and think feeling left out now and again is neglect>. It’s like having a perfectly OK life isn’t interesting, trendy or Instagram worthy enough.

Why are young people doing this? Is it a hangover from being told they’re special and over-therapised “your boundaries matter and others MUST respect them” gubbins ? Or is it because he’s been travelling (I’ve known people to go travel and some catch a tropical disease, some catch obnoxious dickhead disease).

Anyway…my heart goes out to you OP. I’d be furious. Sorry but he sounds like a self pitying little twerp. “Leave me alone but you can follow me on Instagram”. He’s not Cristiano Ronaldo. Disrespectful as hell - you need to pull him up on this nonsense.

Break ups are awful but a whole year and 2 spells of worldwide travelling to get over it is OTT. If he hasn’t got over it by now that’s not your fault or problem. He needs to learn how deal with break ups and you don’t have to pander to overly long mooning.

Also I have to say I assume men who travel to Thailand alone are doing it because they’re sex tourists. It sounds a bit dodgy.

If you look at social media, the quickest way to get attention is to talk about your trauma. I’m a therapist and see this more and more. I think people do believe they have experienced trauma but lack empathy for the fact that no parent can get it right all the time

Quitelikeit · 23/01/2025 07:38

It was a mistake to allow the girl to come whenever after the split. He seems to feel betrayed by that.

He probably sees that as you putting your daughters first given they are friends

lopyrs · 23/01/2025 07:38

I feel like I’m seeing more and more parents of adult children whose kids, after having led a privileged and loved life, turn round and proclaim what a terrible childhood they had because <insert non-issue of privileged child who never had to endure real hardship and think feeling left out now and again is neglect>. It’s like having a perfectly OK life isn’t interesting, trendy or Instagram worthy enough.

Or, are these the children of the "but we took you to stately homes" thread type parents.

It really isn't possible to know both sides to stories like this. I know people who really struggle to process their childhoods and their parents are completely oblivious. Especially when it comes to favouring, daughters are so often favoured, I see it in my own family but the mothers would fiercely deny it.

dappledgreyandwhite · 23/01/2025 07:37

You might be proud of him op, but he needs to feel loved and supported. It’s a shame he had work himself into to ground for anyone to feel proud. It sounds conditional on his success, and maybe he is sick of his life being measured in this way?

Butchyrestingface · 23/01/2025 07:37

JustMyView13 · 23/01/2025 07:12

Kindly, can I point out that you even trust your youngest daughters opinion of someone she’s only seen on tik tok, over your son - who has met the girl.

Good catch.

Maybe she should let the ex have a swatch at the new girlfriend's TikTok too, so she can chip in with her valued opinion too.

NewdayNewstartin2025 · 23/01/2025 07:35

Starlight7080 · 23/01/2025 07:33

Maybe travelling will open his eyes to how spoilt and self entitled he is.
He sounds like a brat who hasn't grown up.
Angry at not having the bigger bedroom!!
You should have told him lots of kids share a room with 2 siblings .
No lifts and had to get a train!! Again completely ridiculous.
He is trying to make drama and oh feel sorry for me . I had such a hard childhood.
Sounds like he had a loving family and also inherited a lot of money at a young age
He really needs to grow up

There could be more though than those surface claims. Maybe he feels everyone sided with his ex over the split. Sister seems to feed the ex narrative to his mum. That would hurt and explain wanting distance

AgnesX · 23/01/2025 07:33

Ummmmmmmmmmmmmm · 23/01/2025 07:23

I’d imagine a lot of it is down to the older generation having lived in relatively prosperous times, with more disposable money, lower mortgages and perks like final salary pensions while doing absolutely shit all to set the next generation up for success. Oh, and while also dismissing the absolute turmoil of being a young professional during an unprecedented CoL crisis who knows they’ll need to work themselves to near burnout until their 70s and beyond.

This narrative really irritates me. Not everyone lived like that.

Fewer people went to university, mortgages actually that easy to get, especially if you were a single not very well paid woman. And as for the final salary schemes I (who's one of these older generations) missed that particular boat as well, not to mention being on the receiving end of pension age increases.

Throughout the 80s and 90s mortgage rates were higher or similar to those now.

Where I do have sympathy - and again as an older person who's not benefitted from the housing explosion - is the cost of property.

NewdayNewstartin2025 · 23/01/2025 07:33

Butchyrestingface · 23/01/2025 06:32

What was the nature of these “accusations of all sorts”? Did one (or both) of them feel badly treated by the other?

I think a lot of people would find it very difficult knowing their ex was still coming in and out of the family home. They weren’t married and don’t have kids who need dropped off. Perhaps he feels like home is no longer a safe space for him because she’s Jack-in-the-boxing in and out of it?

Arguably this is a cautionary tale about dating your sister’s close friends but I can’t help but think a bit of insight into your son’s feelings around your ‘neutrality’ over the breakup and the fact she’s still a feature in your home.

This.

Maybe he feels @alizea he can't talk to you because you have his sister in your ear (and in and out of your home) giving it large on what he's done wrong. She's hardly impartial since best friends with his ex!

I change my view now and can understand why he needs space from all of you. Probably feels like you've all taken her side.....

Tuftykitten · 23/01/2025 07:33

He'll be back after she's gone through all his money.

Starlight7080 · 23/01/2025 07:33

Maybe travelling will open his eyes to how spoilt and self entitled he is.
He sounds like a brat who hasn't grown up.
Angry at not having the bigger bedroom!!
You should have told him lots of kids share a room with 2 siblings .
No lifts and had to get a train!! Again completely ridiculous.
He is trying to make drama and oh feel sorry for me . I had such a hard childhood.
Sounds like he had a loving family and also inherited a lot of money at a young age
He really needs to grow up

lottiegarbanzo · 23/01/2025 07:32

Just an observation but a 25yo visiting his parents one a month, when living in another town, seems really frequent to me. Not rare at all. Rare would be once or twice a year.

Not telling you when he's coming makes it hard for your DD to arrange not to have her friend the ex there. But also indicates that your DS still sees your home as his and feels comfortable just turning up. That's quite 'close' family behaviour for a 25yo.

JandamiHash · 23/01/2025 07:32

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Well I’m going to take the OP at face value and make the assumption that she did not neglect her child. The man has had a very good early adult life that does not point to neglect. In fact it’s offensive to children who have actually been neglected to say “waaah you like your sister better than me”

alizea · 23/01/2025 07:31

Guineapiggywiggy · 23/01/2025 07:28

He’s got his CFA? That’s a tough set of exams - a masters effectively. She clearly didn’t understand.

He has level 1 and 2, he sat his level 2 in the summer before going travel but basically ran level 1 and 2 into each other (beginning study for level 2 as soon as he got the results from level 1) he also has a masters and we are very very proud of him and his achievements and he has cited that as being partially why he needs a break away from work/family for a year as since he started uni he has basically worked himself into the ground.

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