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Something not right with 3yr old

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BethMck · 22/01/2025 22:48

I need some help please, my 3 year old son has had a pain in his right knee for over a month (first day 17th dec) it has been going on every day since, intermittent pain and inability to bear weight on his right leg, some days he will just have a slight limp now and again and say his knee hurts, sometimes he will ask me to pick him up because his leg hurts, gps and a&e doctors aren't concerned as he otherwise looks totally fine. Over the past 2 weeks he's complained of pain in his left leg as well as the right and twice hes said his right arm hurts too.. other symptoms diarrhoea, looking off colour and saying he's tired and needs to lie down on the sofa to rest, these symptoms come and go every couple of days, he has had a blood test that came back normal apart from low in vitamin D. I have read alot of stories from parents who said their child was completely healthy and initial blood tests were normal before other tests were done and turned out to be cancer. Obviously this is my concern and I've expressed this to doctors who dismiss me by saying he looks very healthy so I wouldn't worry about it being anything serious, he has been referred to Pediatrics 2 weeks ago but I still haven't received anything from them with regards to an appointment. Went back to the gp today to discuss the new pain in his left leg and right arm, he wasn't concerned and said to just wait for the pediatrics to get in touch he did mention juvenile arthritis as a possibilty. Everyone around me is telling me I'm just worrying about nothing and the doctors are making me feel like I'm being stupid. I really want all the tests possible to rule out cancer. But I'm being told if doctors were concerned they would be rushing him through for tests. My issue is I had a cousin who was told her symptoms were likely nothing serious and for months she was denied tests, when she finally had tests done she was diagnosed with cancer, due to the delay in diagnosis she sadly lost her battle a year later and passed away at just 22 years old. AIBU in thinking I am being fobbed off and do you think my anxiety is taking over? Should I trust the doctors and wait for the pediatrician to contact me or should I keep pushing for tests? I feel like I'm going crazy, is this an actual parental gut feeling or am I looking into this too much and getting paranoid??
So sorry for the long post. Please help a mama out xx

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BlueberryPieface · 03/03/2025 13:40

Still waiting for the consultant? Bloody useless.
It’s good you spoke to PALs, I reckon things will start moving now they are involved. Even if it does take 3 days to hear anything, that’s a damn sight quicker than the rest of them!

BethMck · 03/03/2025 12:32

Here's where I'm at today... rang ultrasound department, they told me they are STILL waiting for the consultant to send over the information they need before they can book him in! I rang PALs and explained how worried I am, my son has numerous symptoms that should be seen as red flags but nobody is listening to me, I've seen multiple doctors over 10 weeks and been ignored, explained the delays with referrals and said he needs this ultrasound now, she said she was going to speak to the pediatric manager and request repeat blood tests and get the consultant to send the information urgently, they will call me back when this has been done, but it could take up to 3 days.... I have seen many posts on here about limping children and most seem to have had all the relevant tests to rule out everything way quicker than this! If they don't book him straight in for the ultrasound the next step is to go to a children's hospital and refuse to leave without a diagnosis

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BethMck · 02/03/2025 14:31

Ultrasound dept told me to call back and they will sort him an appointment so I'm presuming they will be happy to get him in rather quickly considering we have waited 3 weeks already! I'm so angry! I'm calling them back first thing in the morning and hoping they will get him in in the next day or 2 otherwise I will be taking him elsewhere and ringing PALs to follow up that email! Last time gp sent for bloods the hospital got us in straight away and we had results back by text the next day, I'm honestly so stressed and it's all I can think about, I keep thinking how many times we've been delayed with appointments and it gets me so angry, it's really not fair! We are in West Yorkshire- near Leeds/Manchester.. someone I know had a private ultrasound on her daughter recently and paid £350 without the consultation! I'm going to let them know that I'm mad tomorrow they will be sorting this out and if they don't I'll have no choice but to find the money, or go to a different a&e and refuse to move! This is hell I've never known anything like it and they can't blame the nhs being over crowded because it's the doctors "forgetting" to send correct referrals!

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BlueberryPieface · 02/03/2025 13:52

Bloody awful. Poor little thing.
If you don’t get anywhere tomorrow I’d do what @Thegreyestate suggests and maybe try a different A&E? There was a thread on here last night where OP took her DS to A&E and it was an infected knee joint. So they can pull their finger out when they want to. https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/childrens_health/5284832-worried-about-toddler?reply=142554407

Thegreyestate · 02/03/2025 13:45

Honestly OP, I'd just take him to a different child's A&E today - your GP is being so unsupportive and could add more days/weeks of waiting for blood test results. Which county are you in?

User756 · 02/03/2025 12:38

I really, really feel for you OP.

You absolutely shouldn't have to do this, and I know it's a lot of money, but if you desperately need to put your mind at rest whilst the NHS is dragging it's feet, then perhaps you could look into a private ultrasound scan?

I've had a quick look and there's a specialist near me (London) that offers paediatric scans for £200 and this includes a consultation with the consultant Radiologist. Obviously this shouldn't take the place of the NHS scan, but it could reassure you there's nothing obviously wrong while you wait, and in the worst case, could flag any concerning signs that you could then present to the paeds team and get your little boy fast tracked.

I would be going out of my mind, the same as you. I have a 2yo boy. I'm so sorry you're going through all this uncertainty. If you can afford it, go for the private scan. The stress and worry must be overwhelming.

BethMck · 02/03/2025 12:37

This is a screenshot from a video I took of him limping on Friday, we had taken the older kids to school, he had been running around and riding the bikes in the yard, this was him walking on the way back, look how sad he looks! He was in agony yesterday after riding his scooter round the park and charging around like a maniac, I feel so helpless

Something not right with 3yr old
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BethMck · 02/03/2025 12:24

I was just saying this to my partner last night, when they took us to minor injuries the 2nd time in a&e I should have insisted he saw a pedestrian then or taken him to a different a&e the 3rd time we went, but I am calling ultrasound department tomorrow and telling them I've waited 3 weeks and won't be waiting any longer, if they don't get him in quick I'm going to a children's a&e! I was wondering if anyone on this thread would know if the pain in his knee getting worse after being active would be reassuring and indicate that this makes it less likely to be caused by cancer? Obviously that's my main concern but part of me thinks if it was that then after 10 weeks surely there would be more telling signs? My head is a wreck thinking about it 24/7 I can't sleep, I really need that ultrasound doing. Also ringing the gp tomorrow to ask for a repeat blood test to check there are no changes there

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Thegreyestate · 02/03/2025 11:46

@BethMck I've been thinking of you. Have you considered going to a different A&E further afield and just handing them the letter so they can see the detail, and not leaving until further tests are done? You just need to find that one doctor who listens

BethMck · 28/02/2025 23:42

Timetochillnow · 28/02/2025 23:31

Better to just offer a cheerful hug if he’s struggling rather than keep asking what’s wrong. He’ll be more likely to tell you if it’s anything new and you’ll feel less frustrated because you do have control over being able to offer comfort

Yes I absolutely agree with this! I thought this myself today, he clearly is frustrated when it's happening and is thinking mum will you stop going on about it I'm trying to just get on with things! Poor kid, it's breaking my heart but I told myself that this is what I was going to do, instead of questioning him about it I'll just give him a hug and let him know mummy knows and I'm here.. I'm really trying so hard to get him some help I just wish I could speed things up somehow

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BethMck · 28/02/2025 23:37

BoilingHotand50something · 28/02/2025 22:53

I commented earlier on in the thread and can’t believe this is still going on! This is ridiculous! I really feel for you and hope you can start to get some answers soon.

When I posted this it had been 3 weeks with the limp, it's now been 10 weeks!! I can't believe we still don't have answers and are still experiencing such unnecessary delays! I was worried from the beginning but each day I'm feeling more unsettled, I'm really scared that it genuinely could be cancer but none of the doctors seem to care about that.. I feel like I've hit a brick wall so many times and having to fight through it every time, it's mentally exhausting! I'm going to call ultrasound on Monday and demand an urgent appointment, I'm also going back to the gp to demand urgent repeat bloods, I'm not waiting about anymore I'm really going to get my voice heard! This level of worry is not healthy if they can rule cancer out I will be able to rest but until they do I can't just sit about waiting for nothing with no answers! Sorry for replying to your comment with a massive rant 🤣 all of you guys on here are absolutely great and I really appreciate everyone taking the time to message and try to help with support and advice

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Timetochillnow · 28/02/2025 23:31

Better to just offer a cheerful hug if he’s struggling rather than keep asking what’s wrong. He’ll be more likely to tell you if it’s anything new and you’ll feel less frustrated because you do have control over being able to offer comfort

CountryMumof4 · 28/02/2025 23:29

BethMck · 28/02/2025 21:56

Aww bless your little boy, I'd never heard of that until my son started with this and a few people mentioned it, thankfully this is one of the things that has been ruled out as he's had an xray of the right knee and both of his hips, nothing showed on there, so that would rule out Perthes and fractures of the bones, they say an ultrasound may show things with the ligaments/soft tissues or fluid round the joint, so fingers crossed it shows something that is simple to sort out and that gives us a diagnosis because I'm really scared now and I just need an explanation! I really hope your son is doing well, this sounds like a horrible thing for a child to go through bless him

Ah I'm glad that's ruled out at least. So incredibly frustrating for you, and so difficult seeing your little one in pain :-( Let's hope you get a diagnosis very soon - and that it's something that can be tackled and worked with. Thinking of you and will keep an eye out for updates. Big hugs xx

BoilingHotand50something · 28/02/2025 22:53

I commented earlier on in the thread and can’t believe this is still going on! This is ridiculous! I really feel for you and hope you can start to get some answers soon.

BethMck · 28/02/2025 22:01

beeloubee · 28/02/2025 21:27

Look into occult tethered cord and ehlers danlos. Also Epsom Salt baths may help the pain. Poor boy :(

Thank you, it's getting to a point now where he will start to limp and not mention it and I'll ask him if he's ok he says no and I'll say oh no what's wrong and he gets frustrated and says it's ok, like he doesn't want me to fuss and it's annoying him, poor thing I just want to get him better but it's just taking so long to get the tests he needs to get a proper diagnosis!

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BethMck · 28/02/2025 21:56

CountryMumof4 · 28/02/2025 20:27

Oh crumbs - your poor little boy :-( I had similar with one of mine when he was about the same age. Persistent pain in his knee etc. I was told first it was water on the knee, then a sprain, then an infection. In the end I took him to a paediatric AnE as it was still just as bad 3 months later. They x-rayed him and it turned out he had perthes disease in his hip. He's needed a couple of surgeries as time has gone on, but is doing much better now several years later. He'll need an early hip replacement at some point, but we were relieved to get an answer as it meant we knew what we were working with. Hope they get to the bottom of things for you soon. You feel so helpless when it seems no-one is listening.

Aww bless your little boy, I'd never heard of that until my son started with this and a few people mentioned it, thankfully this is one of the things that has been ruled out as he's had an xray of the right knee and both of his hips, nothing showed on there, so that would rule out Perthes and fractures of the bones, they say an ultrasound may show things with the ligaments/soft tissues or fluid round the joint, so fingers crossed it shows something that is simple to sort out and that gives us a diagnosis because I'm really scared now and I just need an explanation! I really hope your son is doing well, this sounds like a horrible thing for a child to go through bless him

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beeloubee · 28/02/2025 21:27

Look into occult tethered cord and ehlers danlos. Also Epsom Salt baths may help the pain. Poor boy :(

CountryMumof4 · 28/02/2025 20:27

Oh crumbs - your poor little boy :-( I had similar with one of mine when he was about the same age. Persistent pain in his knee etc. I was told first it was water on the knee, then a sprain, then an infection. In the end I took him to a paediatric AnE as it was still just as bad 3 months later. They x-rayed him and it turned out he had perthes disease in his hip. He's needed a couple of surgeries as time has gone on, but is doing much better now several years later. He'll need an early hip replacement at some point, but we were relieved to get an answer as it meant we knew what we were working with. Hope they get to the bottom of things for you soon. You feel so helpless when it seems no-one is listening.

BethMck · 28/02/2025 17:00

SailingYachty · 28/02/2025 14:18

I was told my enlarged lymph nodes were unlikely to be cancer many times by doctors, until I got the results of my biopsy and it was indeed cancer. Just because it might not be cancer doesn't mean it isn’t!
And that’s why it needs to be conclusively ruled out and a real diagnosis made.

Exactly my point, my cousin was told the same for months, and another cousins little boy, she was told its unlikely to be anything he probably just bumped himself, 4 months before they did a blood test and biopsy and got a cancer diagnosis! I doubt anyone is told it probably is cancer, I get that they'd want to rule out simple things in the early stages but 10 weeks later you'd think they'd want to look at that being a possibility and rush to rule that out as like they say themselves it's better to be caught early! I really hope it's something far less scary but at this point cancer needs to be ruled out, if nothing else it will stop the unnecessary worry I am experiencing not knowing

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BethMck · 28/02/2025 16:55

BlueberryPieface · 28/02/2025 12:50

Repeat bloods and a different type of antibiotic just in case it is a stubborn infection and the last ones weren’t strong enough?

I'm going to have to call on Monday and request repeat bloods and see if they will prescribe a different antibiotic. So many phone calls over the last couple of months and still having to make more! Didn't think we'd be still at it all this time later, should have had a diagnosis weeks ago!

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SailingYachty · 28/02/2025 14:18

JoyousGreyOrca · 27/02/2025 14:21

Why should they not say it is unlikely to be cancer if they know that is the case?

I was told my enlarged lymph nodes were unlikely to be cancer many times by doctors, until I got the results of my biopsy and it was indeed cancer. Just because it might not be cancer doesn't mean it isn’t!
And that’s why it needs to be conclusively ruled out and a real diagnosis made.

BlueberryPieface · 28/02/2025 12:50

Wibblywobblybobbly · 28/02/2025 12:35

Is it worth asking the GP to repeat the bloods in the meantime?

Repeat bloods and a different type of antibiotic just in case it is a stubborn infection and the last ones weren’t strong enough?

Wibblywobblybobbly · 28/02/2025 12:35

BethMck · 28/02/2025 12:27

I definitely needed to send the email because when it's all written down you can see how bad it looks! I received an email in response just to make me aware the email had gone through but I still haven't heard anything, I'm going to wait until my partner is home from work around 2 and give them a call! I'm absolutely going out of my mind with worry and can't keep waiting around for everyone, I don't understand why nobody is taking it seriously, he's had a limp and localised pain for 10 weeks, in those 10 weeks he's had numerous rashes and cold symptoms that don't go away, the 2 week course of antibiotics haven't helped, nobody has mentioned a repeat blood test and I'm just expected to keep waiting for the ultrasound! Think I've just about lost any patience I had!

Is it worth asking the GP to repeat the bloods in the meantime?

BethMck · 28/02/2025 12:27

Wibblywobblybobbly · 28/02/2025 12:06

I think it's good that you emailed as then they have all the correct information noted down and it is easier for them to act on. I'd be inclined to follow up with a phone call.though

I definitely needed to send the email because when it's all written down you can see how bad it looks! I received an email in response just to make me aware the email had gone through but I still haven't heard anything, I'm going to wait until my partner is home from work around 2 and give them a call! I'm absolutely going out of my mind with worry and can't keep waiting around for everyone, I don't understand why nobody is taking it seriously, he's had a limp and localised pain for 10 weeks, in those 10 weeks he's had numerous rashes and cold symptoms that don't go away, the 2 week course of antibiotics haven't helped, nobody has mentioned a repeat blood test and I'm just expected to keep waiting for the ultrasound! Think I've just about lost any patience I had!

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BlueberryPieface · 28/02/2025 12:22

Wibblywobblybobbly · 28/02/2025 12:06

I think it's good that you emailed as then they have all the correct information noted down and it is easier for them to act on. I'd be inclined to follow up with a phone call.though

Definitely. Maybe phone up PALs today and just check they’ve received your email?

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