Blake lively

It's not that she’s a saint or paragon of virtue. In fact, I haven't seen many people claim that .

It's about moving away from the myth of the "perfect" victim. It's irrelevant how likeable she is or not.

A lot of posters comment along the lines of "she might've been sexually harassed/I don't know / it's possible but..... she's a dick." As if that somehow justifies it or explains it or makes it less bad.

As a society, We always fucking do this. Unless a victim IS saint like and a paragon of virtue we start doubting and asking questions. What was she wearing, what was she doing there, how much did she drink , how friendly was she , why has she waited so long, what underwear was she wearing, who did she sleep with, why did she still talk to him and so on. The list is neverfuckingending.

How is she being attacked / do you think she’s done anything wrong or does any of her behaviour warrant questioning in your mind?

Goodness, I hope you have personally witnessed this...

You won't have obviously, this will be gossip you read on Reddit or another forum, or heard from 'someone who works in Hollywood' who you don't actually know.

No chance you have any first person experience of this situation. So it's baffling you state it so confidently!

Where's your evidence for this?

why is she being heralded as a saint, this paragon of virtue?

On the contrary, she is being attacked so savagely and repeatedly that even those of us who have no interest in her can see it is not about anything she has actually done.

I'd say surprised, otherwise they'd have no doubt applied for the gag order sooner.

Also I wonder what BL and RR’s endgame was with that complaint, do you think they’ve had a shock that JB has come back swinging or were they prepared for all this?!

Can I genuinely ask a question, mainly to the BL defenders just because they seem so angry for want of a better word…..

From my perspective I don’t know what happened 100%. I saw BL’s initial complaint and fell for it completely if I’m honest. Then I saw JB’s response and what really pissed me off was BL’s team leaving out certain responses, taking out emojis so they were shown in a different context etc. Why do that? Didn’t like it at all.

Where is the hesitation to accept that BL has made mistakes like we all have? I just feel fascinated about where this level of fixation comes from.

Totally changing the subject but it reminds me of ‘The View’ I don’t watch it!!! But I saw clips of them saying what a great guy Biden is and how he’ll make his son go through an investigation because he’s not corrupt like Trump, then he pardoned him and they said well he is his son I don’t blame him. The show is an absolute joke but I’d have so much more respect for people who accepted failures and didn’t make excuses. For example ‘I do support Biden and I think he would make a better president but I must admit he disappointed me there’.

Whatever you think, BL has not come across well at certain times, why is she being heralded as a saint, this paragon of virtue? Even though none of us know yet. There’s not nearly enough information for us to.

Her hand was forced in that she had to stop defending him because of the media backlash. Same for Gwyneth. The reality is she was his very long term partner. I think BL and RR are usually very shrewd with their image but have made a huge error here.

@Petra42 i really don’t know what you are on about. BLs hand was ‘forced’ … forced to do what exactly?

All I can find is that BL said she wasn’t abused by HW. Please explain how NOT being abused by HW and being truthful about that makes you a bad person?

the smear campaign is getting nasty

Oh come on and you know this how?

@Glitchymn1 BL was the long term secret partner of HW for years, not just one of his brood of women (Olivia Wilde, Jennifer Lawrence, Gwyneth, Sienna Miller just to name a few). Her hand was very much forced when the allegations came out. She isnt as nice as people think she is.

Yes! Haha 😄

Fair,

As a woman who has been SA more than once I don't hold with the "believe all women shite", nor do I believe all men are abusers. Some people are Abusers and some people lie, this applies to either sex. Facts are we don't know what the truth is, I will wait until I see the evidence presented in a court of law.

This article states there isn't even a kiss written in the scene but agree we need more evidence if script development / it changed

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/it-ends-with-us-video-intimacy-coordinator-1236116142/

If I’m just giving my personal view on the 10 minute video, I don’t have an issue with it for either side.

The scene is just meant to be a slow dancing scene albeit one showing how they fell in love. It doesn’t stare kissing but they’re meant to show chemistry.

Blake is playing a woman who falls madly in love and marries a man and there trying to show how that can happen even if with red flags. Trying to make the audience get it.

I can’t see Baldoni slide his lips from cheek to neck but even if he did, I would have thought that they are in character and that it’s to create some sexual chemistry on screen. He has commented on her scent but in context of her apologising for her tan so he might be to her feel less insecure as they both clearly seem to be at times.

It seems a lot of baloney… I mean they’re discussing their partners, Blake insists Ryan and her are amazing not just cute and tells Baldoni more talking - doesn’t seem like she’s lacking a voice.

I think it would be very hard to talk to someone for hours a day and create chemistry and be convincing, act, do your job and not veer into natural chat that flows.

I also think that their chemistry is really good and Baldoni does seem really into it. He cast Blake, obviously he’ll choose someone he’s attracted to and I think he’s fan boying in the scene and clearly enjoying her star power, beauty and fame.

I think these two are fools - this is so destructive when they have made a great movie etc.

If I had to guess - these two just clash. It’s two huge egos, and a power struggle - Blake Lively is 50 times more famous & married to someone 10000,0000 times more famous. Baldoni is the actual boss and thinks he’s going to pull rank. I think that’s what this clash is about.

The smartest thing they could both do is release statements & say that the PR wasn’t clear or fair on Blake but this wasn’t the intention. Baldoni should say he’s committed to safe work environment and improving and he’s sorry for any discomfort cause but insists this wasn’t the intention. Blake should just say nothing and write a cheque to a women’s shelter and apologise for the bad PR but explain it was a misunderstanding,

The two of them should just let it all slide and forget it.

Have people seen the script / heard from the intimacy coordinator? I’m waiting to hear everything like that. I don’t think that’s out yet and probably won’t be unless there’s leaks!

you don't seem to understand the basic thing. She consented to the script as written , she didn't to any improvised acts beyond that, those are sh . And even professionals in the business are telling you that it is gross misconduct and sh .. as a director jand actor in the film he should've been more careful about acting properly instead of using his position to try and do what he wanted with an actress

It’s acting, it’s a scene. @whathaveiforgotten
Was she not expected to kiss him at all or only in that scene?
To be honest having watched it and I’ve only seen it once, I would have thought she disagrees with the scene itself- the storyline more than the kiss?
Out of curiosity as I’ve not seen the film only parts, how did the scene pan out eventually? Was there a kiss or no?

I’ve got nothing against the woman, I’ve never heard of JB. I actually liked RR but you only see what they want you to.
I liked the (wolverine actor) too. Though I see he’s likely cheated on his wife. Nothing is what it seems. We don’t know them.
It will be interesting to see how it pans out.

(Someone posted to say BL was the partner of Harvey Weinstein?! Surely that’s not true.)

I can recall Salma Hayek’s description of being directed by HW and the scenes she was forced into. If JL was forcing himself on BL I hope he gets the book thrown at him like Weinstein did.

@Glitchymn1

Yes, she has a mouth, she’s done it before. It’s on tape. She’s surrounded by people. Would it have been that difficult.

Have you not watched the tape?

She does repeatedly say she doesn't want to go ahead with a kiss.

A number of times. She also wriggles away from a kiss by doing a twirl while holding onto his hand.

Do you really watch that tape and not think she looks incredibly uncomfortable and gives both verbal and physical cues that she is not open to a kiss?

@GloriousGoosebumps I haven’t suggested that a woman can allege sexual harassment and it’s game over.

In this case, JB agreed not to repeat certain behaviours that he admitted to. That is a fact.

You think it’s more likely that he accepted liability at the time when actually innocent, than that he was guilty and is lying now that it’s all come out.

I mean, one of those is more plausible than the other but you are perfectly entitled to your opinion.

FYI though nobody in “business proceedings” admits what amounts to potentially criminal behaviour just to “not rock the boat”. You realise that those statements would be evidence in subsequent criminal proceedings, right?

Or paid. 😉

The worse thing is that there are women in Hollywood who are genuinely being sexually harassed and each time a woman lies about the way she has been treated it makes it that much harder for a woman who has been sexually harassed to be believed.

I love when people write things like this. Because I can safely ignore everything else they say. Women lying is neither common, nor is it the reason other women aren't believed. Women aren't believed because it suits men to carry on abusing women. They USE the very few women who lie, or exaggerate, or misconstrue or are mentally ill to justify doing nothing to change the environment but the WORST thing is male violence and harassment.

I genuinely think some of this environment is caused by the fact that women are socialised that they should like a man to find him attractive and want to sleep with him. Men are socialised that they can despise and hate a woman and still want to fuck her. Which explains how they can pillory an attractive woman and women seem unable to do the same with the Depps and Pitts of the world. They are invested in Depp not being a predator and men simply don't care if Heard is awful because their attraction is almost enhanced by hating her. As evidenced by Depp's text message about fucking Heard's dead body. Poor misunderstood baby.