AIBU to be fed up with all the Keir Starmer threads

MN is not a WhatsApp group for Labour supporters attending their party conference.

@Rummly Ha true. Although not sure about the two terms. Much of their support is already gone

I do think this will be a two-term Labour government. Predictions of Labour collapse are very wide of the mark indeed. I say that as somebody who strongly opposes Starmer and the rest of the talentless Labour shower.

But all that means is that there will be many anti-Labour threads for a long time.

It’s the price of power. Get used to it.

MN is not a WhatsApp group for Labour supporters attending their party conference.

Yes good points, hence the contracting of the private sector and job losses being ignored by public sector. Until it hits that sector that is

The state of the economy affects everyone @Tryingtokeepgoing and it’s insulting the intelligence of people who voted Labour to suggest they don’t understand that. The difference is that we know trickle down economics doesn’t work, we’ve tried that model and the gulf between the poorest and the richest has grown as a result.

To be more accurate, those who voted for it and are reasonably satisfied in it are collapsing in numbers, and no one, satisfied or otherwise, is going anywhere.

Clearly the government isn't going anywhere either (physically or metaphorically) though its composition has and will continue to change. But does that mean that people shouldn't criticise it? Why should it not be held to the same level of scrutiny as any other government?

I mean, if everything was going well and the country felt positive, then perhaps people would focus on other things. Blair got that. But while the government’s actions continue to negatively impact so many people I think its churlish to just stamp one's feet and say nothing’s going to change, so put up with it and shut up. All it needs is a vision and some leadership.

Just like people got used to Brexit and accepted that 🤭

I'd go further than that. Many normal people are alse left leaning, but are either employed or were employed in the public sector, or receive some form of income top-up or benefits. So they are not directly impacted by the competence of the government in the short term, and don't care if people in the private sector lose their jobs or the economy shrinks as a result of their economic polices.

They aren't impacted, and will continue to believe they are right even when the evidence is overwhelmingly negative. Those in the centre and on the right want to grow the economy and make everyone better off (even if that is, in the eyes of the left, not 'equally' shared), whereas those on the left / far left would happily shrink the economy, as long as they aren't worse off. Which, ironically, makes those on the left more selfish than those in the centre or on the right!!

I'm pretty sure this thread is bemoaning the number of Starmer threads with some agreeing it's too many. I don't care

People should post away, even those that loathe him.

You do seem fixated on the idea that posters are trying to order the site not to see criticism of the government. The fact is that people can express their dissatisfaction as much as they like. The government isn't going anywhere, and those who voted for it and are reasonably satisfied aren't going anywhere either.

Starmer’s satisfaction ratings are stellar compared with Thatcher’s at this point in her government. 🤷‍♀️

Satisfaction is low, the majority are dissatisfied so those thinking they can order this site to not see criticism will have to do it in other ways, ie hiding threads, rather than expecting posters to stop.

I don't think I suggested otherwise.
The people who voted for the government and are broadly satisfied with it won't be going anywhere either - and neither will the current government.

Socialist experiment? How so?

I thought there was a politics topic on MN people could use for pro or anti government opinions?

Its not what I would use AIBU for myself.

As I’ve already clearly stated, I have no issue with criticism at all - it’s inevitable, necessary and healthy. As with everything, there are a mixture of comments on MSM and on social media. I’m not really sure what your point is? What is it that you want me to explain to you exactly?

If someone criticises Labour’s policy on the two child benefit cap because of the impact of that on children in poverty, then that is obviously very different to GB News presenters/their viewers immediately accusing the PM of a cover-up on the horrendous crime in Southport when he is, in fact, following the legal process, as advised by the CPS, so as not to be in contempt of court.

Landowners will criticise Labour about inheritance tax, private school parents will criticise them over closing the VAT loophole - all totally to be expected and right that it’s debated. But when people rage that Labour have shut down any inquiries on grooming gangs because Starmer is implicated, when they actually just didn’t want the last-minute Tory amendment to kill a much-needed children’s bill, or Farage claims council elections have been cancelled to avoid defeat, when they’ve been postponed due to boundary changes, then that we are in very different territory. Varied debate and criticism is needed, but truth, fact and critical thinking have to be at the centre of that.

Look at readers comments yourself

No thanks, I’ll stick to facts if it’s all right with you. Or even if it isn’t.

The biggest issue is the press, whatever government is in all they do is bring up every tiny insignificant (often) detail and spread it over the front page. Whether it is tories/labour/democrats/republicans/reform etc etc, the press will pull it to pieces and we the "readers" take in every single word and believe it as gospel.
I say this as having had first hand experience with a press report and they twist the truth unbelievably, you read an article you have had to do with and think they must be reading about some other scenario.
On a personal level I am not keen on Starmer due to his inability to answer a straight black and white question on any one of the PMQ's. But probably the same with all leaders, I just haven't watched them much until lately.

There's nothing to 'discuss'

Stay or go but there will be threads criticising Starmer and Labour whatever. Click or don't, it won't change that

See it like that if you want to. I'm not inclined to get drawn into discussing it with you.

MN should commission a piece on the contrasting effects of Starmer’s and Trump’s respective styles upon entering office. Whilst Trump enters full of positivity, ambition, and bravado on the back of record economic discontent among Americans, Starmer tried his luck with doom, gloom and pessimism on the back of inheriting the G7’s fastest growing economy.

Whilst Trump has been met with investors throwing money hand over fist into the American economy, Starmer has had to send Reeves on a global humiliation tour, from Beijing to Davos, with a begging bowl.

A cold hard assessment of political sentiment, may uncover a great deal about diverging fortunes between the US and UK….

No stay and click on every thread about it

Honestly the moaning about anything not pro Labour

And, of course, the suggestion that those who voted Labour and are reasonably satisfied with the government leave the site and find somewhere else to post.