AIBU to be fed up with all the Keir Starmer threads

Nope, not at all, actually - two things can be true at the same time.

How to say one thing and then the other!

Many Labour supporters were very much in agreement with Johnson when he supported Ukraine - as was Starmer, also. It’s been refreshing and encouraging to see cross-party support on this issue in the last few weeks (interesting to see how the comparative quietness of Reform MPs).

Although, having read Johnson’s and Cummings’ recent thoughts and comments on the current Ukraine/Zelensky/Trump situation, I can only reflect on what a sense of relief it is that they are not in power now.

How many Starmer supporters rowed in behind any Tories?

I once made a comment on here about Johnson having got Ukraine right. Oh no, I was told, he was only doing it for his own glorification. 🙄

Do you know, I think there are quite a few people - many who claim to be patriots and/or have selective amnesia about the last government - who would rather see Starmer fail, than see the UK and diplomacy succeed. I wonder how they envisage Johnson, Sunak, Truss or Badenoch (or worse still, Farage!) would be handling this?

Yawn!…😴

It’s not so funny now after this afternoon’s shitshow, is it?

Thanks. If only you knew how funny this comment is.

You clearly have no concept of how diplomacy or soft power works. It’s going to have be kid gloves for the next four years with Trump. Bull in a china shop tactics would be catastrophic.

Who would you choose to meet Trump?

“Statesmanship” and Starmer are unusual in the same sentence. Thanks for the laugh though arse licking is more appropriate!

Hilarious and cringe when he couldn’t answer if he could deal with Russia alone. He looked like a startled kid in a sweet shop not knowing what to fucking say or do next. Embarrassing for Britain to have this shower representing us on the international stage.

I thought he did well. He must have hated to have to sit next to the trump but he came across very calm and in control

Next to Trump pretty much anyone would look statesman like ;)

Macron did a far better job IMO, though I am in France and the European view of Starmer is less than positive… I hope he can help temper the excesses of Trump though.

You’re a lone voice. Even the posters who are normally most critical of Starmer are reluctantly recognising his statesmanship this morning. I’ve actually been impressed by the fair mindedness, it’s refreshing.

Well there’s probably a lot more threads to come after watching Keir Starmer on the news last night sitting next to the orange clown Trump. Incompetent pair of fools. Trump with his fake orange tan and Starmer with his fake voice. Yuk!

Austerity is already being enacted, by default, in social care and other areas be use policy decisions are taking funding/away from the sector.

Agreed.

And when they fail to deliver any meaningful growth, they will be forced to introduce a fresh bout of austerity (doubtless spun with a different name).

Then we can see just how loyal their electorate really are.

@MyNameIsX I heard someone put it well, Labour have bet the house on growth

And now they have killed it through policy but are lost. It's why they peddle a headline each week on how they might try to get it back

Reeves is an idiot to think anti growth policies will bring the thing they need most

Labour despise those who dare to have aspirations to better themselves, financially - that goes to the heart of many of their policy decisions.

Better that the majority are poorer - that’s their twisted philosophy.

I recall the usual backlash from pro Labour at any mention of this

It looks like Reeves and Starmer know as little as posters on a parenting site

More than 10,000 millionaires left the UK in 2024 and, according to the Adam Smith Institute – on average they would have paid nearly £400,000 in tax each.

From these exits, the Exchequer lost as much in revenue as would have been paid by around 500,000 average taxpayers.

Good points, though I disagree that some posters are ideologically wedded to their political dogma… because as far as I can, Labour seems to be devoid of any particular dogma!

The recent watering down of attempts to tax non-doms, and their reneging on key environmental pledges in relation to airport expansion (whether you agree with them or not) mean that their policies, insofar as they have them, are almost indistinguishable from the Tories that they replaced! Even most of the public sector haven’t seen any benefits - my organisation certainly hasn’t!

It’s worse than that…. rather than being wedded to ideological dogma, which I would have a degree of respect for, they’re just wedded to their political tribe “Labour”, who can seemingly do know wrong, because, well, they’re “Labour”…

And anyone who disagrees must therefore be stooges of the evil twins, the Tories and Reform. They assume I must be part of them, when I’ve repeatedly said I’m not!

Interestingly I listened to a podcast earlier from Owen Jones… a seasoned left-winger, virtually the polar opposite of Nigel Farage. Yet his scathing analysis was almost identical to mine, despite having different perspectives.

Labour just seem to be a blander, less competent (incredibly!) and smugger (even more incredibly!) version of the Tories! If that’s not an open invitation to Reform at the next election, I don’t know what is!

In other words you have no response to the points raised by OneLemonGuide. You can’t even admit that in straightforward language.

What exactly was the “infantile insult”?

If it’s that those who seem to blithely cheerleading for Labour and tribally dismiss anyone who expresses an alternative opinion, are actually helping Reform whether they are aware it or not, then you seem to be proving my point!

Personally I don’t want Reform to be voted in in 5 years. I’m exasperated that you can’t you see that your attitude is helping that very thing to happen!

Some posters are as ideologically-wedded to their political dogma, as is their beloved party.

One can only surmise that they are simply ‘talking their book’, perhaps because they ‘suffered’ under one of the previous Tory governments, or because they are now in receipt of Labour’s largesse, via the benefits system, or a recent public sector pay hike - who knows.

One thing is abundantly clear - they will not be deterred, even in the face of a well-supported argument, or compelling real-time data.

Only when they fall silent, even temporarily, can you be certain that they are shit out of arguments.