To be alarmed at Starmers plans

In what way is it not entirely unprovoked and not all Russia's fault?

I have been following the conflict in Ukraine since 2014. It is not as straightforward as the papers and other MSM lead us to believe, i.e. it's not entirely unprovoked and it's not "all Russia's fault" as they tell us. It's much more nuanced than that, and I must say I have been quite concerned that there is not at the very minimum more people in the government that at least call for some caution! Everyone is constantly running around all guns blazing calling for more and more offensive weapons to be sent to Ukraine and more and more money to keep this war going. Unfortunately, this only means more deaths and more destruction for Ukraine and brings us closer to the brink of either WWIII or a nuclear war and frankly I am not that sure that anyone in the government fully comprehends the implications. It's been too long since WWII and it's as if everyone has forgotten what it means to live through such a horrific event!

Shouldn't come as any surprise, one thing labour governments are good at is sending British troops to die and yes I have lost a loved one through war the last time labour were in power.

How did you feel about Boris Johnson's frenetic support for Ukraine?

I for one cannot wait for the day when accusing anyone who doesn’t agree with you of being a “Russian Bot” is met with the ridicule and derision it deserves. Though I admit that day may never come here on MN 🙄

Anybody else worried about his ongoing plans for deeper involvement in Ukraine. In an interview yesterday he said he intends to send our troops out there. Surely this would mean we’d be at war with Russia! Anyone else very concerned.

As a previous poster said, I think it’s highly likely Trump will put an end to this war and SM will still clamour and moan about how dreadful he is. Starmer is just ridiculous, he is completely out of his depth, I’m tired of his rabbit in the headlights interviews that give no reassurance whatsoever.

I have been following the conflict in Ukraine since 2014. It is not as straightforward as the papers and other MSM lead us to believe, i.e. it's not entirely unprovoked and it's not "all Russia's fault" as they tell us. It's much more nuanced than that, and I must say I have been quite concerned that there is not at the very minimum more people in the government that at least call for some caution! Everyone is constantly running around all guns blazing calling for more and more offensive weapons to be sent to Ukraine and more and more money to keep this war going. Unfortunately, this only means more deaths and more destruction for Ukraine and brings us closer to the brink of either WWIII or a nuclear war and frankly I am not that sure that anyone in the government fully comprehends the implications. It's been too long since WWII and it's as if everyone has forgotten what it means to live through such a horrific event!

Absolute nonsense. Why should our country risk being nuked ffs?

Yes this is terrifying. This is the beginning of WW3.

Im sick of propping up this unwinnable war. Russia is a massive rich country compared to Ukraine, they will always lose without endless outside support, which ultimately is WW3.

I’m sick of propping up Zelenskyy’s utter failure.

He was voted in with a promise to appeal to both the Ukrainian and ethnic Russian minority and to unite the separatist regions - he has completely failed. The regions still want to be separate. He has banned all left wing political parties and banned elections. He’s just an evil egotistical dictator who is fighting an unwinnable war because he won’t accept that he failed. And half a million men have died.

Starmer is evil for keeping us embroiled in this hell and risking further escalation with Russia. Trump will be pulling out so it will be even harder for Europe keep supporting this lost cause.

Sad for Ukraine but Zelenskyy should have accepted the peace deal in April 2022.

@halfpastten The conflict in Gaza is also not as straightforward as the MSM lead us to believe and as you are undoubtedly well aware like all of us it did not start in October 2023. The reason why "everyone" and by that I mean largely the world outside G7 pushes for ceasefire and applies so much pressure on Netanyahu and his supporters is because Israel in its bid "to defend itself" unleashed what we can only refer to as genocide on the Palestinians living in Gaza. Israel was attacked by HAMAS and claims that 1,200 Israelis lost their lives in that attack and nobody defends HAMAS in that. However in response Israel decided to deploy the strategy of collective punishment on 2.5 million people living in Gaza most of which are now displaced as refugees, their homes destroyed and many of their children killed. What you refer to as 1.7M young Ukrainian men are people which the Ukrainian government sent to the frontlines to fight. In that sense, they are soldiers of their army. The "tiny number" of people killed in Gaza are civilians killed as a result of Israel's strikes on their homes, hospitals, schools. More than half of those people are children and many are under the age of 12.

These are just some horror stories from Gaza:

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/x3QpRMDw3OY

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Starmer is a a thick moron and corrupt to boot. I would put anything past him.

@NetballHoop I guess you hold a view then that up until February 2022 he had been a professor in one of the most reputable and respected universities in the world, one who was also educated in one of the finest educational establishments in the world and come February 2022 he suddenly thought since he has nothing else to do, it would be a good idea to become a conspiracy theorist? Same goes for Prof. Meirsheimer and others like them but the BBC and the like give us reputable and trustworthy information why?